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Yes theoretically. On the paper, it's a concept that is cool.
The thing you don't want to see, is that those disparities are not simply the result of "bad conditions"... they are the results of the entire system that creates inequalities in ALL domains no matter.
Yes.. and for example, what you don't want to accept is that to get good result, work is not the only parameter. It's in fact the last.
I made these graph to explain why meritocracy simply does not exist:
This is what (shematized) meritocracy AS A BELIEF SYSTEM looks like:
Link toward the visualizer : https://ibb.co/LR52fXJ
This is what reality (highly shematized) looks like:
Link toward the visualizer : https://ibb.co/RbT2BVk
In Blue: Economic capital
In Red: Social capital
In Green : Cultural capital
In purple: Asset accessed because of those Capitals
You NEED to understand what cultural, economic, social and sometime symbolical capitals are in social sciences, because you won't understand why Meritocracy does not exist if you don't.
And for that, again, you really need to pay attention to this video. It synthetize the concept very well :
Meritocracy is and will always be a myth
It's not a question of exception or "some can", it's a question of material impossibility due to the nature of reality and social systems.
I agree
And that's where you are idealizing reality
I agree with everything I put in bold. The rest is you, pushing your idealization of reality on society. It's not how reality works.
Yes. Ultimately this is logical, we can fix ALL inequalities, we can simply create a society in which all people have REALLY equal chances. ANd after that, it will be a lot of randomness.
But meritocracy is preventing us from achieving that.
If you think society is in chamble simply because we are in a wanky system and we haven't figured how to make it better just yet.. you are completely deluding yourself. We KNOW why society is in that shape. And by we I mean social scientist and most of the leftist spectra and activist. We also KNOW what we need to do in urgency to make society a LOT better.. to a certain limit.
So the state of our current society is not a mystery. What I'm telling you is the result of thousands of thinkers, scientist, activists, philosophers and politics that agree on one big constat :
Capitalism is killing the entire world and all societies and the reason why it's still here is because the upper class is using Meritocracy to justify it's domination, because the middle class is using Meritocracy to justify its priviledges and the working class is using Meritocracy to justify its sufferings.
EVERYONE is using the belief in meritocracy to justify their situation.
Start by trying to learn more about sociology before talking to me and being irrespectfull on my personnal life. I have 1000 time your determination to create change.
It's ok not to know, but I don't like this attitude. Humble yourself.
The thing you don't want to see, is that those disparities are not simply the result of "bad conditions"... they are the results of the entire system that creates inequalities in ALL domains no matter.
Yes.. and for example, what you don't want to accept is that to get good result, work is not the only parameter. It's in fact the last.
I made these graph to explain why meritocracy simply does not exist:
This is what (shematized) meritocracy AS A BELIEF SYSTEM looks like:
Link toward the visualizer : https://ibb.co/LR52fXJ
This is what reality (highly shematized) looks like:
Link toward the visualizer : https://ibb.co/RbT2BVk
In Blue: Economic capital
In Red: Social capital
In Green : Cultural capital
In purple: Asset accessed because of those Capitals
You NEED to understand what cultural, economic, social and sometime symbolical capitals are in social sciences, because you won't understand why Meritocracy does not exist if you don't.
And for that, again, you really need to pay attention to this video. It synthetize the concept very well :
Meritocracy is and will always be a myth
It's not a question of exception or "some can", it's a question of material impossibility due to the nature of reality and social systems.
I agree
And that's where you are idealizing reality
I agree with everything I put in bold. The rest is you, pushing your idealization of reality on society. It's not how reality works.
Yes. Ultimately this is logical, we can fix ALL inequalities, we can simply create a society in which all people have REALLY equal chances. ANd after that, it will be a lot of randomness.
But meritocracy is preventing us from achieving that.
If you think society is in chamble simply because we are in a wanky system and we haven't figured how to make it better just yet.. you are completely deluding yourself. We KNOW why society is in that shape. And by we I mean social scientist and most of the leftist spectra and activist. We also KNOW what we need to do in urgency to make society a LOT better.. to a certain limit.
So the state of our current society is not a mystery. What I'm telling you is the result of thousands of thinkers, scientist, activists, philosophers and politics that agree on one big constat :
Capitalism is killing the entire world and all societies and the reason why it's still here is because the upper class is using Meritocracy to justify it's domination, because the middle class is using Meritocracy to justify its priviledges and the working class is using Meritocracy to justify its sufferings.
EVERYONE is using the belief in meritocracy to justify their situation.
Start by trying to learn more about sociology before talking to me and being irrespectfull on my personnal life. I have 1000 time your determination to create change.
It's ok not to know, but I don't like this attitude. Humble yourself.
I do not agree with that. Meritocracy would be a propaganda only if it was a simple belief that had no impact on society.
But that's NOT the case. The idea that Meritocracy is only a propaganda is the reason why currently, communism is failing.
Meritocracy shapes the system that is capitalism. Capitalism would not be able to stand completely without this belief, this belief is PART of the system.
It's shapes how people thinks about their situation, how people act for their own interest and how people interact with each others.
Meritocracy literally acts as a sub system inside the system. A personnal constitution for all people. It's the glue that holds the system together.
For ex:
When someone tells me that I'm not legitimate to have a political opinions simply because I'm not a productive member of society (in the capitalist sence) and because of my situation laugh at me or insult me, well.. they are forcing ableism ON me IN capitalism BECAUSE OF a meritocratic belief that only people who are "productive members" of society are legitimate and worthy to be rewarded, because they put their "efforts" in.
This is just one case situation out of a 100 000. Meritocracy is the leg of Capitalism.
While we must fight the system that is Capitalism to create more equity, this can't be done without destroying completely the myth of meritocracy first.
You can't fight a fire without putting a ininflammable protection first.
Communism demands a revolution. Said revolution can't happen if everyone thinks that a revolution or change is not needed, and forcing a new system on people will not prevent people from thinking that Meritocracy exist. It will only create a wabbly system open for any opportunist to take hold of.
That's why if we get rid of Meritocracy. We will effortlessly evolve toward a communist like system and finally end up in a classless society.
Technically, getting rid of Capitalism doesn't need a revolution. It only needs a better access to this specific knowledge.
Oh, and since we are talking about Meritocracy, the impact of capitalism and Politics. Here is a fun video about the "OOF!" sound that I just stumble upon:
Trust me, it's worth the ENTIRE watch
But that's NOT the case. The idea that Meritocracy is only a propaganda is the reason why currently, communism is failing.
Meritocracy shapes the system that is capitalism. Capitalism would not be able to stand completely without this belief, this belief is PART of the system.
It's shapes how people thinks about their situation, how people act for their own interest and how people interact with each others.
Meritocracy literally acts as a sub system inside the system. A personnal constitution for all people. It's the glue that holds the system together.
For ex:
When someone tells me that I'm not legitimate to have a political opinions simply because I'm not a productive member of society (in the capitalist sence) and because of my situation laugh at me or insult me, well.. they are forcing ableism ON me IN capitalism BECAUSE OF a meritocratic belief that only people who are "productive members" of society are legitimate and worthy to be rewarded, because they put their "efforts" in.
This is just one case situation out of a 100 000. Meritocracy is the leg of Capitalism.
While we must fight the system that is Capitalism to create more equity, this can't be done without destroying completely the myth of meritocracy first.
You can't fight a fire without putting a ininflammable protection first.
Communism demands a revolution. Said revolution can't happen if everyone thinks that a revolution or change is not needed, and forcing a new system on people will not prevent people from thinking that Meritocracy exist. It will only create a wabbly system open for any opportunist to take hold of.
That's why if we get rid of Meritocracy. We will effortlessly evolve toward a communist like system and finally end up in a classless society.
Technically, getting rid of Capitalism doesn't need a revolution. It only needs a better access to this specific knowledge.
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Oh, and since we are talking about Meritocracy, the impact of capitalism and Politics. Here is a fun video about the "OOF!" sound that I just stumble upon:
Trust me, it's worth the ENTIRE watch
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What’s going on in india 😂
https://thewire.in/communalism/hatr...muslims-have-spread-like-an-epidemic-in-india
https://thewire.in/communalism/hatr...muslims-have-spread-like-an-epidemic-in-india
Whaaat 
how dare you ? 
Islam is the best religion, religion of peace no one is forced to wear a hjab
how dare you ? Islam is the best religion, religion of peace no one is forced to wear a hjab
As would a devout Christian for Christianity
Or (insert follower of ideology) for (insert ideology)
But the nuances between religion and religious teachings vs humans that happen to identify with the religion but don't act upon it is too high brow for an anime forum
