News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread
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So from what I understand, you interpretation of things is that Mr. Go's performance against Izo and his performance against Drake and Apoo are both outliers that should be ignored entirely while the one time he was significantly faster than G4 Luffy and Drunken Thunder Bagua Hybrid Kaido is the actual accurate representation of his strength?
The very fact that that feat is so ridiculously insane compared to what he was portrayed as capable of in two previous separate instances is why I personally see it as an outlier. Oda didn't even have Kaido react to the astronomical feat that Mr. Go just performed by blitzing him mid Thunder Bagua from a mile away. The entire focus of the scene was on the parallel between that situation and the interruption of his fight with Oden. Meanwhile Oda made it a point to highlight that Drake put up somewhat of a fight by having Mr. Go literally spell it out.
Oda also went out of his way to show the extant to which Izo was injured going into the fight. Wouldn't it be sensible for him to maybe write Maha taking on Izo solo while Mr. Go continued on with his mission to preserve the image of the character he wants us to understand is capable of speeds dwarfing Hybrid Kaido?
Point being, what exactly is the thought process behind disregarding more than half of Mr. Go's resume while banking on a feat that is massively inconsistent with the bulk of his showings? A feat that was not even highlighted within the scene itself.
The very fact that that feat is so ridiculously insane compared to what he was portrayed as capable of in two previous separate instances is why I personally see it as an outlier. Oda didn't even have Kaido react to the astronomical feat that Mr. Go just performed by blitzing him mid Thunder Bagua from a mile away. The entire focus of the scene was on the parallel between that situation and the interruption of his fight with Oden. Meanwhile Oda made it a point to highlight that Drake put up somewhat of a fight by having Mr. Go literally spell it out.
Oda also went out of his way to show the extant to which Izo was injured going into the fight. Wouldn't it be sensible for him to maybe write Maha taking on Izo solo while Mr. Go continued on with his mission to preserve the image of the character he wants us to understand is capable of speeds dwarfing Hybrid Kaido?
Point being, what exactly is the thought process behind disregarding more than half of Mr. Go's resume while banking on a feat that is massively inconsistent with the bulk of his showings? A feat that was not even highlighted within the scene itself.
No my interpretation is his feat on the roof is consistent with his portrayal and feats throughout onigashima. The outlier is Izo, and it's an ok outlier given Izo went kamikaze. When you are going kamikaze it is not reflective of your lvl under normal conditions.
The rooftop feat is just his top end feat, just like characters have casual showings and then their final max showings. What he did on the roof was his top speed and top strength feat. His entire onigashima run aligns with it too. He bodied someone like Drake in a numbers disadvantage, Apoo tried fighting and even in a 4v2 felt he didn't stand a chance. This is nothing short of top commander (Calamity, SC etc.) lvl portrayal.
The cherry ontop was him remaining conscious after an attack several magnitudes stronger than an attack that knocked out Kuri Luffy, and above what knocked out the scabbards on the roof, after he had already taken mortal damage beforehand.
The rooftop feat is just his top end feat, just like characters have casual showings and then their final max showings. What he did on the roof was his top speed and top strength feat. His entire onigashima run aligns with it too. He bodied someone like Drake in a numbers disadvantage, Apoo tried fighting and even in a 4v2 felt he didn't stand a chance. This is nothing short of top commander (Calamity, SC etc.) lvl portrayal.
The cherry ontop was him remaining conscious after an attack several magnitudes stronger than an attack that knocked out Kuri Luffy, and above what knocked out the scabbards on the roof, after he had already taken mortal damage beforehand.
He was portrayed as having genuinely struggled against Drake IIRC. Wiht how the number were portrayed to be I'm not sure the number disavantage should have played a big part if we're talking about a top commander level character.
You compare it to an actual YC2 character like Queen negging/low diffing Drake off screen and there is clearly a gap in portrayal
You compare it to an actual YC2 character like Queen negging/low diffing Drake off screen and there is clearly a gap in portrayal
@Gol D. Roger I think we haven't seen your take on this. I think it's super obvious that Fuji getting a saijo and Aramaki getting a Black Blade is hard proof that they're above Oden when you stack their fruits on top of that.
Like. You could make a case they're superior to Oden fruitless because they're ranked as superior swordsman by the level of blade they're carrying. Every Saijo user is undoubtedly above Oden so are the two Black Blade users. Why would that change for the Admirals.
Also both are based on legendary swordsman
I know Oden's PL is super important to Kaido fans specifically but nobody can tell me this isn't a huge wtf moment for Oden fans when bro is a full time swordsman and the hero of the long anticipated Samurai arc.
Like. You could make a case they're superior to Oden fruitless because they're ranked as superior swordsman by the level of blade they're carrying. Every Saijo user is undoubtedly above Oden so are the two Black Blade users. Why would that change for the Admirals.
Also both are based on legendary swordsman
I know Oden's PL is super important to Kaido fans specifically but nobody can tell me this isn't a huge wtf moment for Oden fans when bro is a full time swordsman and the hero of the long anticipated Samurai arc.
