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I can see where you're coming from with the endurance point at least. His feats in that aspect are legit with nothing in the manga explicitly putting them into question.
Think what we disagree on is the Izo situation and the implications of that is why we see different scenes as outliers. I honestly see no reason why a "kamikaze ready" mentality changes what a character is capable of. The fighter's abilities are the exact same, they would just be more willing to put their lives on the line to get the opening they need. If Izo is capable of outpacing someone in a 1v2, there is no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to do so in a 1v1. The kamikaze move here was entirely a product of the fight being 1v2 since there would have been nobody to jump Izo after he floored Mr. Go in a normal exchange.
"It doesn't count because Izo was going kamikaze" simply doesn't sound very logical to me so I cannot just disregard the whole thing and how it portrayed Go. Add Izo's injured state on top of that as well as the verbal acknowledgement that Drake was no pushover in the 2v4 (coupled with bleeding and huffing) and what Mr. Go pulled on the rooftop is the feat that stands out to me as a weird outlier.
Think what we disagree on is the Izo situation and the implications of that is why we see different scenes as outliers. I honestly see no reason why a "kamikaze ready" mentality changes what a character is capable of. The fighter's abilities are the exact same, they would just be more willing to put their lives on the line to get the opening they need. If Izo is capable of outpacing someone in a 1v2, there is no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to do so in a 1v1. The kamikaze move here was entirely a product of the fight being 1v2 since there would have been nobody to jump Izo after he floored Mr. Go in a normal exchange.
"It doesn't count because Izo was going kamikaze" simply doesn't sound very logical to me so I cannot just disregard the whole thing and how it portrayed Go. Add Izo's injured state on top of that as well as the verbal acknowledgement that Drake was no pushover in the 2v4 (coupled with bleeding and huffing) and what Mr. Go pulled on the rooftop is the feat that stands out to me as a weird outlier.
Kizaru was devastated after killing Punk. We can see him breathing heavily in the panels following the finishing blow. He also didn't get caught in a 1v2 context either since he was about to chase Sanji and wasn't paying attention to Luffy.
When actually facing off against G5, Kizaru was effective at parrying his attacks and dashing out of pressure. Fact that Luffy only managed to find a single opening for a clean hit on him (and that at the very limits of his stamina) speaks volumes about Kizaru's skill.
When actually facing off against G5, Kizaru was effective at parrying his attacks and dashing out of pressure. Fact that Luffy only managed to find a single opening for a clean hit on him (and that at the very limits of his stamina) speaks volumes about Kizaru's skill.
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Think back to what Sentinel said, Go arguably dealt with Drake (who is relative to WsW) easier than Jimbei did. The Kamikaze feat isn't being disregarded for Izo, I have to rate Izo higher than Drake because of it. But it's just not enough, especially being offpanel.
Did you see what the anime made of it? I can't see something like this warranting placing Izo above or equal to Mr.Go.
When someone is sacrificing themselves Oda won't let them go out without something to show for it.
Did you see what the anime made of it? I can't see something like this warranting placing Izo above or equal to Mr.Go.
When someone is sacrificing themselves Oda won't let them go out without something to show for it.
