Speculations Is there a pattern here?

Who is stronger?

  • Beckman

  • Shanks


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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#1
What are these 4 men?

Representatives of Fame, the most famous Pirates in the world.

I have never noticed it so far, even tho I mention this more than anyone else but they do NOT seem to be representatives of Power.
Not a single one of them? Perhaps, let's observe closer...

1 - On the far left, the Genius Jester, the great Buggy-senchou is the purest representative of Fame in the whole show. He is nothing but Fame.
Sailed with Pirate King crew as an apprentice, rival of Yonko Blackbeard since young days, rival of Shanks in the old days, Luffy's only true rival when it comes to ability to make people want to help him. Allied with the Great Whitebeard in War of the Best, one of the ringleaders of Impel Down's breakout, Warlord, a Yonko...

There is no end to Buggy's fame, the man keeps falling upwards. But enough about his Fame, what about his Power?
The most obvious among the 4 in the spread, he is not the strongest behind his own organization.
That is because, the Power representative is the World's Strongest, Dracule Mihawk.

2 - What about Blackbeard D Teach? The same thing is present here as well.
We know since pre-TS that Shiryu and Magellan are stronger than Blackbeard+half of his crew.
And before anyone jumps the gun and thinks Blackbeard can sap away Magellan's powers, there are no powers to sap away on Shiryu in pre-TS.

The man who brought down Iron Garp with just a fraction of his power is certainly capable of taking down Blackbeard with his full power.
He remained stronger than him the whole time and the gap will only widen by EOS once Shiryu awakens and obtains another DF.
Formless body and Blackbeard's mediocre haki seal the deal about Shiryu's superiority.

3 - Whether people are ready to admit it or not is another story but Luffy is Fame, always has been while Zoro is Power, always has been.
The gap is enormous, in Zoro's favour. It is repeatedly reinforced that willpower is king of the show and we know since beginning that Zoro's willpower is stronger.
Willpower equals haki and haki conquers everything. Even if there wasn't an inherent weakness of Luffy towards cutting type of damaji, Zoro would still be stronger.

4 - Do you catch my drift? If Power>Fame is the case for 3 out of 4 of these men, who says the same doesn't apply to RedHaired Pirates?
Vivre Cards, even tho I don't consider them canon, as they are not a direct word from Oda, they have said that Beckman is a moon to Shanks' sun...
However, due to usual underling downplay, people brush it off but if we take Kidd alone, he is still in one piece after Shanks treatment while Beckman treatment left him mutilated...

In short, is Beckman also the true Power of this organization while Shanks is Fame?
If underlings of other 3 are stronger than captains, is Becks also stronger than Shanks?
 
#3
No, I don't think he is. Shanks unlike the other captains has been compared to Mihawk so is very unlikely that Beckmann is stronger than him. It would mean that Beckmann might be up there with the strongest. And it also would make the RHP a close to unbeatable force to deal with.

We know Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks to challenge him. If Beckmann was stronger than his captain, Mihawk would have his challenge already.


Another factor is that Beckmann has been highlighted for his intellect more than his strenght.
 
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#11
If you want to declare a pattern, you have to work with a pattern, not only include the ones which favor your theory.
The pattern is the ones with weak right hand man crumble. While the ones with strong right hand man, as strong or above the captain survive until this point. Beckman cut Kidd's arm while Shanks wasn't present, Shiryu stabbed Garp and defended Hachinosu while Teach wasn't present, Zoro ate Hakai while Luffy was being deadweight.
Captain can't carry and 1 man army their crew.
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#12
The pattern is the ones with weak right hand man crumble. While the ones with strong right hand man, as strong or above the captain survive until this point. Beckman cut Kidd's arm while Shanks wasn't present, Shiryu stabbed Garp and defended Hachinosu while Teach wasn't present, Zoro ate Hakai while Luffy was being deadweight.
Captain can't carry and 1 man army their crew.
Which is a totally different topic and conclusion than nik is putting here.
His conclusion is Zoro > Luffy, Beckmann > Shanks etc..
 
#16
Mihawk & Crocodile are not in Position of Buggy's Underlings, They are instead his "Hidden" Superiors.
Blackbeard also have his Own Mihawk/Crocodile as shown in his Jolly Roger, it's just that it's Hinted They are sharing One Body.
(Actually i would even claim that the one who gave Shanks his Injury is a different Character than Blackbeard We see very often)
As for Shanks, it's also not a coincidence that We suddenly got teased a Shanks Double + His Possible Father Garling.

So it's possible that all Three Yonko Captains are Part of a Trio.
Even Luffy is part of Monkey Family Trio alongside Dragon & Garp who are like his Family Superiors.

In other words, it's not about their Henchmen, these Four Emperors are indirectly Fighting for Empty Throne alongside another Duo.
So this Power, Wealth, Fame Conflict is about Four Groups of Three who all have a Claim for that Throne.

Blackbeard Trio
Buggy - Mihawk - Crocodile
Luffy - Dragon - Garp
Shanks - Pranks (As Fans like to call him) - Garling

So imo this Pattern proves that Pranks > Shanks, it's not about Beckman or other Commanders, those have other kind of Patterns.
 
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