Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

A question from a non-Brazilian that knows nothing about Brazil and its politics: Do you think that Brazil and its native citizens may come across a major immigration issue down the line?

Maybe even on a scale comparable Europe's migrant crisis?

What do you mean? Like Brazilians migrating abroad, because Brazil has gone to the dogs? No. Even if we go down like Venezuela, most people cannot afford to migrate and family ties is also one factor that makes people shy away from migrating. Most Brazilians citizens have never traveled to a different state within the country, let alone another country.
But...we have around 5 million Brazilians with Portuguese citizenship. Portugal has around 10 million citizens living in its territory and they have an aging population and declining birth rates. The young ones seek to live in other places within Europe too. Some people feel that Portugal could turn into a Brazilian state due to demographics.
There is growing xenophobia against Brazilians in Portugal due to many reasons. Brazilians migrating might be trouble for Portugal, but not for the rest of Europe.

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I accidentally took a high dose of sleeping pills
I'm tryng to read thse comments for some minutes

Be careful.

 

[Daniel]

@NAMELESS I meant people coming into Brazil, not Brazilians themselves migrating (for the reasons you listed in your post)

I accidentally took a high dose of sleeping pills
I'm tryng to read thse comments for some minutes

Don't you dare 404 on me 😨
You're too young to pass away like this

 

[NAMELESS]

That's not what I meant. Not all 3+ citizenship holders are oligarchs, but all oligarchs have 3+ citizenship. Just look at the recent Durov case, ancestry doesn't have anything to do with that either, just tax evasion schemes and political tricks.

Another fun piece of trivia, when it comes to citizenships, comes from the only democracy in the middle east. If you want to get naturalized, you are required to renounce your previous citizenship. But if you are Jewish, you aren't required to do that.

Ah,ok. Yeah, rich people buy nationalities to evade taxes,prison and many other benefits. I think the governments created such loopholes to help the rich. Not every nation ofc. Panama allows no dual citizenship for example.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Huh?

So now you're moving the goalpost? It's an emergency. No western country denies healthcare in case of an emergency, that's even the case in the United States. So what, if someone has appendicitis are you gonna wait until it's too late? Or are you gonna provide the service and then arrange payment? It's a case by case basis, it doesn't mean you can just go to a specialist without paying.

Also, check the key words that you conveniently ignore "limited contribution" and "depending on the public hospital's policy." It still doesn't change the fact that if you're not a resident or a citizen, then you aren't officially covered. You can't just get cancer treatment willy nilly.

 

[NAMELESS]

@NAMELESS I meant people coming into Brazil, not Brazilians themselves migrating (for the reasons you listed in your post)

Dude, who the fuck would want to migrate to Brazil? There are Venezuelans migrating to Roraima due to the harsh conditions they suffer, but they only do that because staying in Venezuela means hunger. This is a third world country and we are basically isolated from the rest of the world. We have natural barriers that even make it difficult for nations that borders us to have access to Brazilian lands. We are kind like Australia: Isolated in the middle of fucking nowhere.

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@NAMELESS I meant people coming into Brazil, not Brazilians themselves migrating (for the reasons you listed in your post)


Don't you dare 404 on me 😨
You're too young to pass away like this

A short answer: Geography alone makes a migration crisis similar to the European one close to impossible down here.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Ah,ok. Yeah, rich people buy nationalities to evade taxes,prison and many other benefits. I think the governments created such loopholes to help the rich. Not every nation ofc. Panama allows no dual citizenship for example.

High-level politicians should not be allowed to have dual citizenships anyway.

So now you're moving the goalpost? It's an emergency. No western country denies healthcare in case of an emergency, that's even the case in the United States. So what, if someone has appendicitis are you gonna wait until it's too late? Or are you gonna provide the service and then arrange payment? It's a case by case basis, it doesn't mean you can just go to a specialist without paying.

Also, check the key words that you conveniently ignore "limited contribution" and "depending on the public hospital's policy." It still doesn't change the fact that if you're not a resident or a citizen, then you aren't officially covered. You can't just get cancer treatment willy nilly.

What goalpost? If I get an emergency in the USA, and they treating me for free? This whole conversation has always been about emergencies, I wasn't talking about Chinese people coming here to increase their breast size.

 

[NAMELESS]

@Daniel Now that i remember, there are some small cities in Peru that want to be annexed by Brazil, cause the BR gov helps them more than their own government. But that will probably never happen.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

What goalpost? If I get an emergency in the USA, and they treating me for free? This whole conversation has always been about emergencies, I wasn't talking about Chinese people coming here to increase their breast size.

Do you know what an emergency is? An immediate threat to your physical well being. Analyze the word "immediate"

Do you think a Chinese national has the time to take a flight all the way to Italy in order to get his appendix removed? He'll spend more money on tickets and other fees before he actually gets the care he needs, and he'll probably die on the way. Touch grass, arguing against providing a service in case of an emergency for tourists is not the slam dunk you think it is. The EU still demands foreigners who enter its territory with some sort of visa to buy medical insurance before travel.

 

[Daniel]

Casually browsing in Youtube and found this. It was uploaded yesterday.

 

[NAMELESS]

High-level politicians should not be allowed to have dual citizenships anyway.

huh? Why? They are citizens too.

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Casually browsing in Youtube and found this. It was uploaded yesterday.

yeah,but it doesn't matter. These protests don't trigger anything. Politicians here live isolated deep within the country.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Do you know what an emergency is? An immediate threat to your physical well being. Analyze the word "immediate"

Do you think a Chinese national has the time to take a flight all the way to Italy in order to get his appendix removed? He'll spend more money on tickets and other fees before he actually gets the care he needs, and he'll probably die on the way. Touch grass, arguing against providing a service in case of an emergency for tourists is not the slam dunk you think it is. The EU still demands foreigners who enter its territory with some sort of visa to buy medical insurance before travel.

Bottom line is what they pay here is a joke compared to their own countries and they don't even pay taxes here. And when you go to some other countries like the USA, you get ripped.
About the Chinese example, imagine they come here and book visit and the like because they are too expensive in their country, do you think they will get denied?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Bottom line is what they pay here is a joke compared to their own countries and they don't even pay taxes here. And when you go to some other countries like the USA, you get ripped.
About the Chinese example, imagine they come here and book visit and the like because they are too expensive in their country, do you think they will get denied?

I don't fucking know how china works, hence why I used the term "western country"

But go ahead, deny emergency care to tourists and non EU residents. Let's see how this amazing, slam dunk policy truly works out for you.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

huh? Why? They are citizens too.

They might do the interests of another country, even more than they do normally. Think about the head of our Democratic Party here, she has 3 citizenships (most likely 4 if she just asked for a certain other). Would you trust a person like that to lead your country or handle classified information?

I don't fucking know how china works, hence why I used the term "western country"

But go ahead, deny emergency care to tourists and non EU residents. Let's see how this amazing, slam dunk policy truly works out for you.

Why so upset? That's what you do in the US.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Why so upset? That's what you do in the US.

No we don't. We overcharge you, but it is ilegal to deny emergency care or life saving procedures under any circumstance. They'll bill you if you're a tourist, but they have no legal recourse to make you pay.

 

[NAMELESS]

They might do the interests of another country, even more than they do normally. Think about the head of our Democratic Party here, she has 3 citizenships (most likely 4 if she just asked for a certain other). Would you trust a person like that to lead your country or handle classified information?

Why so upset? That's what you do in the US.

I get your point. Instead of denying their citizenship, just make so these individuals cannot work on high profile positions in the government.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

No we don't. We overcharge you, but it is ilegal to deny emergency care under any circumstance. They'll bill you if you're a tourist, but they have no legal recourse to make you pay.

This has never been about denying emergency care, it's more about the free handout of healthcare to not-contributing foreigners.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

This has never been about denying emergency care, it's more about the free handout of healthcare to not-contributing foreigners.

And round and round we go. We already proved that non legal migrants are not entitled to free healthcare. If you're a foreigner coming to the EU for cancer treatment or any other non immediate/life threatening emergency (let's remember a medical emergency means an immediate threat to your physical integrity like a heart attack or a life threatening injury) you STILL have to pay out of pocket or have international insurance.

I know you hate foreigners of all kinds. But let's stop it with the conspiracy theories.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

And round and round we go. We already proved that non legal migrants are not entitled to free healthcare. If you're a foreigner coming to the EU for cancer treatment or any other non immediate/life threatening emergency (let's remember a medical emergency means an immediate threat to your physical integrity like a heart attack or a life threatening injury) you STILL have to pay out of pocket or have international insurance.

I know you hate foreigners of all kinds. But let's stop it with the conspiracy theories.

You didn't prove anything, as irregulars are also treated for free for emergencies. They also can't or won't pay if they were required to, often. If they come here from outside for treatment it must obviously mean that the price is much smaller than in their countries. The public healthcare system probably makes up for it significantly.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

@NAMELESS I meant people coming into Brazil, not Brazilians themselves migrating (for the reasons you listed in your post)


Don't you dare 404 on me 😨
You're too young to pass away like this

i dont even remeber of saying that
lol

 

[NAMELESS]

i dont even remeber of saying that
lol

be careful with those pills