Powers & Abilities Killer uses poisonous blades(Zoro vs Killer analysis)

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When Zoro is seen with Yasue, in chapter 929, the same day begins the party at the capital, at Orochi castle.
Then in chapter 933, it is stated that we are in the day after the party ("next morning") and 9 days left to the Fire Festival. Zoro fights with Killer the next day after the party
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Day 01: Big Mom pirates face set back from King
Day 01: Zoro meets Yasuie on-panel
Day 01: Zoro goes to Ebisu Town
Day 01: Zoro's sword is stolen
Day 01: Sanji fights Page1
Day 01: Nami et al. escape Orochi castle
Day 02: Big Mom washes ashore
Day 02: Nami, Robin and Shinobu go to bath
Day 02: Sanji saves Nami, Robin and Shinobu
Day 02: Zoro face Gyukimaru
Day 02: Zoro face Kamazou
 
I don't know if it's because of the poison or hunger but for sure zoro fainted because of the VFX coming from his stomach. The panel highlighted the vfx and zoro middle part of body and not his wound. And finally Zoro is looking at his stomach like something happened. It's not headcannon but proof coming from the manga. I don't want to say wait for the anime because with the latest episodes i feel like they add so many thing that didn't happened (for example kaido being calm when BM came while in the manga, he was restless).
 
Damn, I didn't know traveling can basically nerf you:josad::josad:It seem like I overestimate Zoro too much. Thanks for the clarification.:sabogood:
It's called burning calories. That's the reason why red leg sat at one location. That minimized the amount of calories he would burn. The more calories you burn the faster you run out of energy.

Zoro wasn't walking a short distance. He was traveling from town to town. And don't forget that Zoro was fighting doing that time as well. you don't seem to understand the amount of calories you were burned literally walking all day from one town to another.
 
"One-shot" is manipulative terminology because of all the conditions that are ignored, mainly that it was a surprise attack, and Zoro was still in a non-serious mood from his previous encounter with the wacky guy (forgot his name) who distracted him in that moment, and Zoro only turned completely serious after that moment, when he instead one-shotted and completely overpowered a non-distracted Killer.
Afterwards, Zoro seemed to have lost some of his fighting spirit, because he had ended the fight, which probably contributed to his passing out, the same as it does to Luffy. (Edit: It seems the hunger is an important canon point.)

Oda has however has no obligation to shit on characters, although people always expect him to shit on someone for someone other's benefit (just a bonehheaded way of interpreting stories), and Killer being someone of a similar rank as him in someone else's crew is still displayed as strong, and when he damages someone, it can have serious consequences. His name is also "Killer", so I suppose he uses nasty techniques which either cause immediate killing (which somehow is not a convention in Oda's world, even with swords) or bleeding. So I suppose the effect had something to do with bleeding. (Edit: or more likely hunger.)

I don't think he uses poison, partly because I think Queen already uses poison in this arc instead. And he seems a brutal, "edgy" guy normally (even if his experiences made him "sad"), so I bet he is all about slicing and stabbing opponents. And I don't think poison hypes Killer more, or that there is any issue with his strength level, which I would put easily in the Tobi Roppo range, for example.

(Edit: I guess I might be wrong about Queen using poison, I looked up the chapter 970, Kaido vs. Oden again, to check on whether he had a mechanical arm. One can't see that arm, however there is an aura on his weapon which looks like poison, and I wasn't sure about what he had used for torture anymore.)

The scene is supposed to highlight a "new" character or one which we didn't really know before, so Oda won't discard him by some lame feats, or sh-- on him, and he won't just "wank" a main character either (he actually does that rarely, only when there are no stakes, or he has gone so far to fake-kill them already).

If in doubt, I just go by what happened, and don't bother drawing hard lines or overemphasizing someone's superiority. What one has to keep in mind here is Zoro's high potential in defeating enemies, it doesn't mean he can't possibly be harmed by someone else who is clearly "strong".

Anyway, this thread was supposed to be about the use of poison, so I don't understand the "shitting on" characters introduction.
 
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Now with the anime out how do you view the fight between Zoro and Kamazou ??
I think its possible that it was hunger or perhaps a combination of hunger and zoro's injuries, but I still feel like that's a really big plot convienience.

Hence I think Killer still might have poisoned blades. Apart from just explaining the fight, imo it would give Killer a much needed buff. As of now, he seems like the weakest supernova.
 

BangOO🍅

Pepebusi Spammer
It's been like a year and a half and I still don't know why people give a shit about Zoro dropping after he wrecked his opponent. How often does Luffy finish a good fight on his feet? Lol not even against Hody. That's just how Oda puts opponent characters over.

If Killer can't potentially win with a free shot, then he's not worthy of being a peer at all.
lets be real, if Zoro down after Killer hit him, how many people will stop reading one piece? Thats called plot armor bruh
 
I think its possible that it was hunger or perhaps a combination of hunger and zoro's injuries, but I still feel like that's a really big plot convienience.

Hence I think Killer still might have poisoned blades. Apart from just explaining the fight, imo it would give Killer a much needed buff. As of now, he seems like the weakest supernova.
Hence I think you're in denial.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
It's been like a year and a half and I still don't know why people give a shit about Zoro dropping after he wrecked his opponent. How often does Luffy finish a good fight on his feet? Lol not even against Hody. That's just how Oda puts opponent characters over.

If Killer can't potentially win with a free shot, then he's not worthy of being a peer at all.
Not only that but they ignore the good and only focus on the appalling

We saw Hawkins being casually one shot by Zoro (I say casually because no Asura)

Yet that is never talked in here :)
 
It should be pretty obvious to any rational fan that Killer got stomped by Zoro.

Objectives: Killer's objective was to fulfill Orochi's orders so that his crew will be kept alive. So he needed to kill the girl.
Zoro's objective was a to save two random strangers he met.
Who completed their objective: obviously Zoro.

The fight itself:
1. Gyukimaru interferred with the fight, which caused Zoro to get hit.
2. Killer got one shotted by Zoro afterwards.
3. Zoro falls unconcious from the hit that was caused by Gyukimaru's interference. However, he completes his objective in saving Hyori and laughing girl

You can argue full strength or not all you want, but two facts remain.
Zoro one shoted Killer and he completed his objective. He's undisputed winner of the fight.

Now, if we want to get a little subjective, if Killer was on Zoro's level, shouldn't we expect him to at least last longer. He was in a better situation. Zoro has to guard the girl at all times. And finally, he landed a blow on Zoro. But he couldn't stop Zoro from one shotting him. Whats to say in a fair 1 v 1 fight, Zoro couldn't do the same. And Killer hasn't shown the ability to land a blow without help on Zoro.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
During the fight against KIller, before Zoro fainted we see his stomach making a glurrgg sound effect implying that Zoro was hungry during that fight or just had an upset stomach.

However should that be used as an excuse for him fainting after Killer injured him or no?
That glurrg sfx was there months and months ago when the chapter come out. Why make the thread now ? Taken you a year to comprehend it ?
 
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