General & Others In a Crew v. Crew battle the Big Mom Pirates beat the Strawhats
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In a direct confrontation the BM pirates win.
Luffy never beaten anyone on a Yonkos level in a strict 1v1. Remains to be seen if he is capable of it. He is certainly not far though.
Zoro vs Kata would go in Zoros favors. BM crew have enough commanders to make this a 2v1 though.
Kata + Smoothie vs Zoro? idk.
Cracker vs Jinbe? Add Snack and its a wash for the BM sons.
Sanji gets double teamed by Oven and Daifuku...
People are really understimating the sheer amount of strong characters an establish Yonko crew has.
Wano against BPs showed how much manpower the SHs needed in addition to fight against a Yonkos crew.
Just another very thinly veiled Yonko (or BM specifically) hate thread.
Luffy never beaten anyone on a Yonkos level in a strict 1v1. Remains to be seen if he is capable of it. He is certainly not far though.
Zoro vs Kata would go in Zoros favors. BM crew have enough commanders to make this a 2v1 though.
Kata + Smoothie vs Zoro? idk.
Cracker vs Jinbe? Add Snack and its a wash for the BM sons.
Sanji gets double teamed by Oven and Daifuku...
People are really understimating the sheer amount of strong characters an establish Yonko crew has.
Wano against BPs showed how much manpower the SHs needed in addition to fight against a Yonkos crew.
Just another very thinly veiled Yonko (or BM specifically) hate thread.
If the SHP could learn from Papa Sakazuki then they need to apply some serious AoE attacks.
- Place Jinbei somewhere off the coast and have him throw tsunamis or water spears that drown hundreds at once.
- Place Nami somewhere safe and have her direct thunder clouds in tandem with Jinbeis attacks in order to electrocute the enemies.
- Make Luffy shoot off a haki blast that immediately decimates 50.000 troops
- Have Zoro shoot off Mihawk Marineford slashed horizontally that chop off limbs of thousands
- Have Usopp shoot poison in to crowds instead of pop greens
- Have Franky shoot lasers and rockets from a distance
The SHP have so many weapons it's ridiculous but they hardly use them effectively. Don't engage if you don't have to, just pick the BMP off from a distance to reduce their numbers at first.
- Place Jinbei somewhere off the coast and have him throw tsunamis or water spears that drown hundreds at once.
- Place Nami somewhere safe and have her direct thunder clouds in tandem with Jinbeis attacks in order to electrocute the enemies.
- Make Luffy shoot off a haki blast that immediately decimates 50.000 troops
- Have Zoro shoot off Mihawk Marineford slashed horizontally that chop off limbs of thousands
- Have Usopp shoot poison in to crowds instead of pop greens
- Have Franky shoot lasers and rockets from a distance
The SHP have so many weapons it's ridiculous but they hardly use them effectively. Don't engage if you don't have to, just pick the BMP off from a distance to reduce their numbers at first.
I do think the SHs lose in most crew vs crew situations simply because Luffy isn't prioritizing strength over anything else in his recruiting new members. Luffy needs diverse expertises to read PK level, so that's what he focuses on, whereas Kaido and Big Mom, and even BB, all focus on how strong a potential new crew member is, over what does he know/can he do differently than the rest of the crew.
The BM pirates may have a stronger crew than the SHs, but the SHs have a wider range of knowledge allowing them to shoot faster and better for the OP than Big Meme ever did.
The BM pirates may have a stronger crew than the SHs, but the SHs have a wider range of knowledge allowing them to shoot faster and better for the OP than Big Meme ever did.
The bounty pictures for Zoro and Sanji haven’t changed as far as we’re aware, CP0 was too busy trying to kill Robin during the fight with the calamities, no one saw how Zoro and Sanji beat King and Queen
And when Oda outright states these characters bounties are accurate to their strength, we can pretty easily tell this is Odas way of saying “here’s how these characters relate strength wise” since this is written for children so Oda is being very obvious.
Only “power scalers” deny it because they try to overthink a book for 12 -15 year olds.
And when Oda outright states these characters bounties are accurate to their strength, we can pretty easily tell this is Odas way of saying “here’s how these characters relate strength wise” since this is written for children so Oda is being very obvious.
Only “power scalers” deny it because they try to overthink a book for 12 -15 year olds.
The bounty pictures of some of the crew were taken by CP-0, they even know about who lost to who during the fight at since they were watching
Marco was just implying it’s hard to fight guy with such high bounty, he wasn’t in any shape or form comparing them to himself or Katakuri.
We have feats of Katakuri, Sanji and Queen, it’s not hard to argue who is the strongest and who is the weakest amongst them because of those feats, trying to use bounties to scale is just insane to me
Marco was just implying it’s hard to fight guy with such high bounty, he wasn’t in any shape or form comparing them to himself or Katakuri.
We have feats of Katakuri, Sanji and Queen, it’s not hard to argue who is the strongest and who is the weakest amongst them because of those feats, trying to use bounties to scale is just insane to me
It’s clear Oda used the exact verbiage of Marco attributing the strength of these two to their bounty for a simple reason, to say their bounties are quite indicative of their strength. Otherwise he would’ve been more vague instead saying “Commanders of a Yonko” or something along those lines instead Oda hyped king and queen through their bounty levels same way he hyped Katakuri in WCI. It’s clear Oda was saying these two are stronger than Katakuri, and in case it wasn’t clear with their bounties alone he doubled down and said “Yes these bounties are indicative of their strength.”
Besides Feat scaling is stupidly inaccurate unless you believe that Shanks low diffs Big Mom or that Vista can stall Mihawk.
Besides Feat scaling is stupidly inaccurate unless you believe that Shanks low diffs Big Mom or that Vista can stall Mihawk.
no one is denying that when Marco talked about their high bounties he was expressing how strong they were, but no where in those statements is there any implication of Katakuri being weaker because his bounty is lower being made
We can scale Katakuri, Sanji and Queen accurately since when have seen the 3 of them go all out.
You can’t scale Shanks and Linlin for example because we have never seen Shanks go all out, from what we have seen we can conclude Shanks has better haki and Ap but that’s about it
Mihawk has never tried even once in the manga so how can anyone in their right mind try to scale him by feats?
We can scale Katakuri, Sanji and Queen accurately since when have seen the 3 of them go all out.
You can’t scale Shanks and Linlin for example because we have never seen Shanks go all out, from what we have seen we can conclude Shanks has better haki and Ap but that’s about it
Mihawk has never tried even once in the manga so how can anyone in their right mind try to scale him by feats?
The implication is made because Katakuri was regularly referred to as a Billion Berry man and a man Worth a Billion Berry.
And then Oda having a character explicitly calling these twos strength worth over a billion berries is a very clear indication of how Oda used the bounties of these characters to showcase the strength difference between these two and Katakuri.
The implication is quite clear. And as I said Feats scaling is hilariously inaccurate because feats are fully based on odas whims like having Shanks one shot Kid after he beat Big Mom along with Law, making it seems like Shanks would destroy Big Mom 1v1 which obviously he wouldn’t.
And then Oda having a character explicitly calling these twos strength worth over a billion berries is a very clear indication of how Oda used the bounties of these characters to showcase the strength difference between these two and Katakuri.
The implication is quite clear. And as I said Feats scaling is hilariously inaccurate because feats are fully based on odas whims like having Shanks one shot Kid after he beat Big Mom along with Law, making it seems like Shanks would destroy Big Mom 1v1 which obviously he wouldn’t.
Think it's only fair that the Straw Hats have access to their fleet and allies for something like this. They are an integral part of what makes up their total strength as a Yonko crew after all. Whitebeard didn't typically sail with his entire armada of allies but when he needed them for war, they answered the call.
The SHs are at way too heavy of a number disadvantage with only the core crew. Getting held up and bogged down by waves of enemies is a real thing that has been emphasized in the Onigashima raid. If it was not for some of the Beast pirates switching sides thanks to Chopper and Tama's powers, the SHs and co wouldn't have gotten the luxury of clean 1v1 fights. And keep in mind that they actually had the Scabbards and Samurai backing them up.
Unless Katakuri pulls the "honorable fight" card, this isn't the 1v1 y'all are imagining. It's Zoro vs Katakuri backed up by thousands of fodder + a bunch of lesser officers, some with very tricky abilites (Mont D'or, Galette, Opera, Brulee, Steusen...). Same applies to every other matchup imagined in this thread.
The SHs are at way too heavy of a number disadvantage with only the core crew. Getting held up and bogged down by waves of enemies is a real thing that has been emphasized in the Onigashima raid. If it was not for some of the Beast pirates switching sides thanks to Chopper and Tama's powers, the SHs and co wouldn't have gotten the luxury of clean 1v1 fights. And keep in mind that they actually had the Scabbards and Samurai backing them up.