Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1126 Spoilers Discussion

[MarineHQ]

Being equal or near equals =/= having equal stats in everything

BM and Kaido may be both tanky with crazy stamina and endurance but Linlin excel in AoE, Hax and physical strength while Kaido excel in Speed and AP over her

Kid and Law are written as equal force but law is more hax with better DC and mobility while Kid is tanky with better AP

You don't get it. @ConquistadoR is full of shit. He's saying Aokiji while being equal to Kizaru is so much below in the speed department BUT YET still his equal which logically couldn't be possible as a potential fight would always end with Aokiji getting washed.

Aokiji has a certain baseline of speed that all allows them to compete with Kizaru. Every Admiral does.

 

[RayanOO]

So why do you think Akainu got much stronger after that fight when Luffy vs Katakuri didnt make Luffy do the same lol.

I don’t understand lol

I did tell you that Kata fight made Luffy stronger, either it was his new FS or overall stats, haki etc

How much it’s always complicated to gauge but not 1%
Luffy becoming stronger during the fight doesn’t mean Luffy being able to beat Kata fair and square after it. It’s not the same thing

Same for Akainu we have no idea how much stronger he became after his fight. But he did become stronger. And his new role in the Marine and promotion shows that.

hese are newgen pirates lol

Akainu isn't newgen
He barely grew from the fight against Kuzan

lol so you agree he became stronger ? Cool

i didn’t say he became 10 times stronger but even if he became 10% stronger at that level it’s already huge.

And Garp isnt above Sengoku too

Shiki and Roger didn't separate Garp from Sengoku

lol you can’t think that

I know you’re arguing for the sake of it here

Garp portrayal is clear of Sengoku

It was always the case.

The gap wasn’t huge but Garp was always stronger, more accolade, more titles, more importance, more revelancy, more feats, more win etc etc etc etc etc

No debate here mate

 

[ConquistadoR]

Kaido didn't go seriously after Yamato despite saying twice that he would.

Absolutely, Kaidou was speaking the honest truth there, only Kuzan is allowed to lie to Blackbeard about his fight with old Garp.

 

[gerardox]

Did Yasopp obliterate the ship with one bullet... This mf did what Kid did with his best attack, but with an ordinary bullet...

Motherfucker can neg diff entire fleets, Shanks' crew is way too broken lmao

 

[ConquistadoR]

You don't get it. @ConquistadoR is full of shit. He's saying Aokiji while being equal to Kizaru is so much below in the speed department BUT YET still his equal which logically couldn't be possible as a potential fight would always end with Aokiji getting washed.

Aokiji has a certain baseline of speed that all allows them to compete with Kizaru. Every Admiral does.

You're just mad that i said Aokiji doesnt dodge Thunder Bagua based on his showings in Hachinosu 😂

 

[Fujishiro]

Exactly.

Big Mom fought Kaido for 2 days but it is a filler fight and has no saying in whether she can compete with his fighting stats. Oda drew that exchange knowing Big Mom can under no circumstance compete with Kaido in any way shape or form.

Kaido didn't go seriously after Yamato despite saying twice that he would.

Only because you deny what happens in the Manga because it doesn't fit your worldview doesn't mean you can force others to accept your dishonesty.

Hypocrisy at its finest lol.

 

[MarineHQ]

Absolutely, Kaidou was speaking the honest truth there, only Kuzan is allowed to lie to Blackbeard about his fight with old Garp.

No need to cry only because context isn't kind to you. We know for a fact Kuzan lied because he stated he worried about Garp twice mid fight.
Kaido on the other hand even put explosive shackles on Yamato and she even noted that he crossed the border of trying to kill her. He didn't have those hesitations in verse.

Unfortunately for your agenda the Manga supports me in this case. Crying won't help you much.

 

[Celeste]

Poor Pudding. Really hope that Sanji kicks Kuzans ass for kidnapping her. Blackbeard pirates are scum.

 

[park_min young]

Cause we know that even after all those feats these guys are equals since they fought on equal terms

Not really
Kaido and Bigmom fought for 3 days and became buddies after that ( we also know that kaido didn’t use drunken mode and Bigmom didn’t even bleed )
This is nowhere close to kuzan and aokiji fighting for 10 fuckin days and actually going all out and being at each other’s neck

we got narrative proof that kaido didn’t go all out , it’s simply not the same case with kuzan and akainu

Really ?

Kaido is known as the world’s strongest creature lore wise
And he also didn’t show his full arsenal against Bigmom

It was all offscreened, the feats completes the whole picture. Before the end of Wano, nobody even questioned that BM and Kaido were nigh-equals. They did the same 3-day offscreen fight that happened between nigh-equals, Roger and WB. You have to remember that Oda has to keep the level of respect of any top-tier high. That’s why almost no top-tier was ever defeated in a one-on-one, always just draws or inconclusive.

Lore just puts out a rough estimate, individual feats are more concrete.

 

[MarineHQ]

You're just mad that i said Aokiji doesnt dodge Thunder Bagua based on his showings in Hachinosu 😂

And you're just mad I called out your entire Admirals are equal whenever it suits me agenda 😂

Hypocrisy at its finest lol.

Which part. I'll gladly explain it.

 

[Peppercat]

Did Yasopp obliterate the ship with one bullet... This mf did what Kid did with his best attack, but with an ordinary bullet...

Motherfucker can neg diff entire fleets, Shanks' crew is way too broken lmao

And we havent even seen Beckman in action yet.

 

[Fujishiro]

No need to cry only because context isn't kind to you. We know for a fact Kuzan lied because he stated he worried about Garp twice mid fight.
Kaido on the other hand even put explosive shackles on Yamato and she even noted that he crossed the border of trying to kill her. He didn't have those hesitations in verse.

Unfortunately for your agenda the Manga supports me in this case. Crying won't help you much.

Here is context for you, Kaido literally said he wanted Yamato to be Shogun of Wano. And yet you think he was trying to kill her lol.

 

[JoNdule]

I don’t understand lol

I did tell you that Kata fight made Luffy stronger, either it was his new FS or overall stats, haki etc

How much it’s always complicated to gauge but not 1%
Luffy becoming stronger during the fight doesn’t mean Luffy being able to beat Kata fair and square after it. It’s not the same thing

Same for Akainu we have no idea how much stronger he became after his fight. But he did become stronger. And his new role in the Marine and promotion shows that.



lol so you agree he became stronger ? Cool

i didn’t say he became 10 times stronger but even if he became 10% stronger at that level it’s already huge.



lol you can’t think that

I know you’re arguing for the sake of it here

Garp portrayal is clear of Sengoku

It was always the case.

The gap wasn’t huge but Garp was always stronger, more accolade, more titles, more importance, more revelancy, more feats, more win etc etc etc etc etc

No debate here mate

Sorry Garp isn't stronger than Sengoku
There has never been a case where Garp or anyone who fought Garp, made a statement that he's above Sengoku. They always grouped them as a force to reckon

What more win?
Garp has zero individual great win : beating Chinjao after training
I forgot he defeated Wolf at beehive lol

Every other major Win Garp has is team wise : vs Rocks, vs Shiki

 

[MarineHQ]

Here is context for you, Kaido literally said he wanted Yamato to be Shogun of Wano. And yet you think he was trying to kill her lol.

And yet the same context established Kaido was literally okay with killing her based on the explosive shackles he put on her. Kaido couldn't decide when and how they went off. The fact that he even put them on her means he already crossed that border of killing his child when he needs too.

 

[ConquistadoR]

And you're just mad I called out your entire Admirals are equal whenever it suits me agenda 😂

I've considered them as "near equals" in overall level for a long time now.

Not my problem if you think that means Aokiji gets gifted Kizaru's speed feats. 🤷‍♂️

 

[RayanOO]

No way Kaido was really going all out against Yamato when he was scolding her and « teaching » her whole time during the fight
And when he went hard COC mode against Luffy just after that

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yasopp’s nameless gun shot >> Dorry and Brogy’s Hakoku. Barto’s ship got blown to pieces

@Sir Yasheen

Lmao yeah right we know Dorys and Brogys attack eviscerated and killed the kid pirates

Meanwhile we know all of Bartos crew is alive right now

 

[MarineHQ]

I've considered them as "near equals" in overall level for a long time now.

Not my problem if you think that means Aokiji gets gifted Kizaru's speed feats. 🤷‍♂️

I don't care what you consider them as as long as I can call out how your view collapses adding 1+1 together.

Explain how Aokiji can fight Kizaru.

 

[SakazOuki]

Absolutely, Kaidou was speaking the honest truth there, only Kuzan is allowed to lie to Blackbeard about his fight with old Garp.

No lies here, man was babbling to himself

As for Kaido, from a visual standpoint he looked like a feral beast

And he did say this. You can argue he didn't use full power, but not even close to Kuzan's case

Worried sick for Garp's health to the point that he forgot he was fighting him, confimed twice to be wavering by Garp himself

And the best part, when Aokiji actually used his fruit he gave a magma admiral a frostbite
But then again you probably think the thin layer of ice on his fist is awakening or smth lmao

You really have nothing

 

[JoNdule]

You don't get it. @ConquistadoR is full of shit. He's saying Aokiji while being equal to Kizaru is so much below in the speed department BUT YET still his equal which logically couldn't be possible as a potential fight would always end with Aokiji getting washed.

Aokiji has a certain baseline of speed that all allows them to compete with Kizaru. Every Admiral does.

I don't think kuzan is much below in speed
He has great speed but his reaction speed is what would allow him to match Kizaru in a fight
(Although his reaction speed was lackluster against Garp )