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Strategy can be self-taught and unorthodox.
If Kyou Kai could manage to develop an acumen for strategy in just a few years, the same should be child's play to a genius of Kan Ki's calibre.
Kan Ki eschewing conventional strategy and tactics is one thing. Him being incapable of them is another. I don't agree with that creative decision.
If Kyou Kai could manage to develop an acumen for strategy in just a few years, the same should be child's play to a genius of Kan Ki's calibre.
Kan Ki eschewing conventional strategy and tactics is one thing. Him being incapable of them is another. I don't agree with that creative decision.
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One important aspect about Kanki that is often missed is that he was always looking down on military commanders and their warfare. Him not learning orthodox methods has more to do with his personality and pride rather then lack on talent. He simly thinks of it as something beneath him.
Method of operations for renegades (bandits, rebels, terrorists, etc.) are going to be much different from those who progressed through standard military ranks. He's most likely to be much more proficient in unorthodox methods of warfare, including psychological warfare (deception, scare tactics, stealth operations, subversion of Kingdom's own "Geneva Convention", and thus even when commanding larger number of soldiers, his primary strategy during a battle is usually going to be based around those four tactics.
He's literally the ancient China's embodiment of "What if a career terrorist became a Four-Star General?"
He's literally the ancient China's embodiment of "What if a career terrorist became a Four-Star General?"
One important aspect about Kanki that is often missed is that he was always looking down on military commanders and their warfare. Him not learning orthodox methods has more to do with his personality and pride rather then lack on talent. He simly thinks of it as something beneath him.
Though I can't say shitting on things they don't know or understand is a behaviour I associate with the highly intelligent, he was supposed to be a genius of warfare.
Kyou Kai began to develop her strategy and tactics shortly after gaining her own unit, and then quickly put that into practice.
Kan Ki was in the business of warfare for much longer than her and had ample time and opportunity to absorb knowledge via Mou Gou (in strategy meetings, not formal lessons), if not by proximity and observation alone.
This is an inconsistency, and a pretty big one.
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I don’t think Kyoukai learned strategy. I think she made up her own strategies just like Kanki did, based on her assassin training. I don’t want to defend Kyoukai because she is the definition of mid but I was always fine with her limited strategic knowledge.
The big thing to realize about “Kanki’s weakness” is that Riboku was incorrect about his weakness and the manga acknowledges this. Kanki broke out of Riboku’s encirclement because Riboku was wrong about Kanki being able to be checkmated by traditional warfare.
Why would he be capable of traditional military tactics when he was never taught them lol
The big thing to realize about “Kanki’s weakness” is that Riboku was incorrect about his weakness and the manga acknowledges this. Kanki broke out of Riboku’s encirclement because Riboku was wrong about Kanki being able to be checkmated by traditional warfare.
Why would he be capable of traditional military tactics when he was never taught them lol
This was never really true, considering Kan Ki conquered bandit clans and ammased his own armies in the thousands. At that scale of organisation, they were no longer really bandits anymore. They were an army without a nation to serve.
Different skills and disciplines are involved, but there will be significant operational overlap when commanding tens of thousands of men.
Kan Ki also wasn't a stranger to conducting open field combat and sieges, which require strategising
Kyou Kai absolutely learned strategy, and was quickly putting that into practice in command of her own unit. Not only did her acumen quickly develop to anticipating Ka Ryo Ten's orders, she was the first to comprehend Ou Sen's Locust stratagem, and also the one that suggested their winning strategy for taking Nanyou. Her strategic acumen is real undeniable.
Strategy is a discipline first and foremost, not a knowledgebase.
It only partially invalidated Ri Boku's prediction on Kan Ki's weakness. He was still, evidently, correct about Kan Ki simply not knowing conventional strategy and tactics.
I laid it about pretty clearly: because he was a genius of warfare with all the access and opportunity in the world to learn, whether he was trying to or not.
You'd also think he'd learn a thing or two from beating the armies that were sent after him prior to Mou Gou.
Different skills and disciplines are involved, but there will be significant operational overlap when commanding tens of thousands of men.
Kan Ki also wasn't a stranger to conducting open field combat and sieges, which require strategising
Kyou Kai absolutely learned strategy, and was quickly putting that into practice in command of her own unit. Not only did her acumen quickly develop to anticipating Ka Ryo Ten's orders, she was the first to comprehend Ou Sen's Locust stratagem, and also the one that suggested their winning strategy for taking Nanyou. Her strategic acumen is real undeniable.
Strategy is a discipline first and foremost, not a knowledgebase.
It only partially invalidated Ri Boku's prediction on Kan Ki's weakness. He was still, evidently, correct about Kan Ki simply not knowing conventional strategy and tactics.
I laid it about pretty clearly: because he was a genius of warfare with all the access and opportunity in the world to learn, whether he was trying to or not.
You'd also think he'd learn a thing or two from beating the armies that were sent after him prior to Mou Gou.
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1. Ousen’s locus strategy was completely made up. Traditional strategists including Riboku had never even heard of it before. Kyoukai realizing the locus strategy just stressed that she does not know traditional strategy.
The Nanyou moment was the same, not fighting is not really a traditional strategy, just her intuition lol. All of the actual generals in the room including Ten were ready to laugh at her when she even brought it up.
I think you are confusing traditional strategy (the thing Kanki doesn’t know) with unique intuition (the thing Kyoukai has lol).
Riboku was correct and incorrect. Which is why the entire thing was brilliant.
Kanki not knowing traditional strategy is a blessing and a curse. A blessing because it provides him a unique advantage other generals don’t possess, and a curse because once Riboku took all his advantages away and forced him to fight a traditional battle, Kanki lost 85% of his army.
Why would he bother learning traditional strategy when that went against his entire philosophy of “doing things his own way” lol
The Nanyou moment was the same, not fighting is not really a traditional strategy, just her intuition lol. All of the actual generals in the room including Ten were ready to laugh at her when she even brought it up.
I think you are confusing traditional strategy (the thing Kanki doesn’t know) with unique intuition (the thing Kyoukai has lol).
Riboku was correct and incorrect. Which is why the entire thing was brilliant.
Kanki not knowing traditional strategy is a blessing and a curse. A blessing because it provides him a unique advantage other generals don’t possess, and a curse because once Riboku took all his advantages away and forced him to fight a traditional battle, Kanki lost 85% of his army.
Why would he bother learning traditional strategy when that went against his entire philosophy of “doing things his own way” lol
Kan Ki didn’t understand because he refused to fight warfare the conventional way. It was as you put it the first time:
Kan Ki’s style of warfare was the only one he was capable of because he never learned any different.
What Kan Ki understood was human behaviour. Even as a kid, he understood the psychology behind fear and intimidation and used both to his advantage.
I don’t agree with Hara’s decision on Kan Ki’s weakness, but it is what it is.
Kan Ki’s style of warfare was the only one he was capable of because he never learned any different.
What Kan Ki understood was human behaviour. Even as a kid, he understood the psychology behind fear and intimidation and used both to his advantage.
I don’t agree with Hara’s decision on Kan Ki’s weakness, but it is what it is.
One important aspect about Kanki that is often missed is that he was always looking down on military commanders and their warfare. Him not learning orthodox methods has more to do with his personality and pride rather then lack on talent. He simly thinks of it as something beneath him.
