Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

There's seriously people who think you can remove the police and send in psychologists when an emergency arises lol.

Yea. People who actually understand that most mentally ill people are only a threat when you push them to be.

The solution is not tear gaz or a bullet, it's a professionnal that is used to deal with those type of patient.

We mads are getting killed simply because the police and the institution are fundamentally treating us like a threat to society.

It's called systemic ableism

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Yea. People who actually understand that most mentally ill people are only a threat when you push them to be.

The solution is not tear gaz or a bullet, it's a professionnal that is used to deal with those type of patient.

We mads are getting killed simply because the police and the institution are fundamentally treating us like a threat to society.

It's called systemic ableism

Sure, violent criminals only act when provoked. But since I am evil I'm still for tear gas and bullets.

 

[Logiko]

Sure, violent criminals only act when provoked. But since I am evil I'm still for tear gas and bullets.

We are talking about case where the problem is mental health related mate.

This means : Better informations gathering, better training, different type of personnal, different type of intervention. This is not only an option, it's a vital one.

Again, if you don't understand, check this VIDEO

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

We are talking about case where the problem is mental health related mate.

This means : Better informations gathering, better training, different type of personnal, different type of intervention. This is not only an option, it's a vital one.

Again, if you don't understand, check this VIDEO

Where did I mention mental health? And by the way even the guy yesterday has mental problems to some extent, should the Secret Service have sent a psychologist upon seeing an AK poking out from a bush?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yea. People who actually understand that most mentally ill people are only a threat when you push them to be.

The solution is not tear gaz or a bullet, it's a professionnal that is used to deal with those type of patient.

We mads are getting killed simply because the police and the institution are fundamentally treating us like a threat to society.

It's called systemic ableism

Well this is only my very limited exposure but I've seen a bunch of videos with obvious mentally disturbed individuals (from America) and police completely incapable of handling the situation and then ended up killing the person which could have been prevented. US police are not exactly good at deescalation

 

[Logiko]

Where did I mention mental health?

I did, in the post where I was talking about defunding the police and reforming or replacing it with specialist in the case of mental health crisis.

You made fun of this assertion here:

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There's seriously people who think you can remove the police and send in psychologists when an emergency arises lol.

And by the way even the guy yesterday has mental problems to some extent, should the Secret Service have sent a psychologist upon seeing an AK poking out from a bush?

And don't think this was a mental health crisis problem in this case but someone WITH a mental health problem who acted based on radicalization. We are not talking about the same kind of crisis here mate.

So again. Reforming the police and stop sending the police in case of mental health issue or crisis is vital for people like me or people in even worse situation than me.

The police is killing us, either directly or indirectly based on bad training and stereotypes. So we kindly ask that to stop.

You have a problem with a skizophrenic person > Send a real specialist
You have a problem with a violent person > Send the police (and a one from the community)
You have a problem with an homeless person > Send a person from the social services

In short, send people who will KNOW how to deal with the problem without bloodshed.

US police are not exactly good at deescalation

Yeah and not only in the US. We just had a case in France at the beginning of the month:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831759885165588816

Imagine.. you are in the middle of a skizophrenic crisis. You armed yourself with a fork because you are scared, someone calls the police, the Police, untrained, panic and send you tear gaz, you panic, they shot you dead.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Imagine.. you are in the middle of a skizophrenic crisis. You armed yourself with a fork because you are scared, someone calls the police, the Police, untrained, panic and send you tear gaz, you panic, they shot you dead.

Euthanasia 🙂beautiful 💗💗

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Well this is only my very limited exposure but I've seen a bunch of videos with obvious mentally disturbed individuals (from America) and police completely incapable of handling the situation and then ended up killing the person which could have been prevented. US police are not exactly good at deescalation

It depends on the video, sometimes people are ignorant of police procedures or are too used to watching movies and think a situation can be handled differently. But in many cases the police is wrong too.

I did, in the post where I was talking about defunding the police and reforming or replacing it with specialist in the case of mental health crisis.

You made fun of this assertion here:

>>




And don't think this was a mental health crisis problem in this case but someone WITH a mental health problem who acted based on radicalization. We are not talking about the same kind of crisis here mate.

So again. Reforming the police and stop sending the police in case of mental health issue or crisis is vital for people like me or people in even worse situation than me.

The police is killing us, either directly or indirectly based on bad training and stereotypes. So we kindly ask that to stop.

You have a problem with a skizophrenic person > Send a real specialist
You have a problem with a violent person > Send the police (and a one from the community)
You have a problem with an homeless person > Send a person from the social services

In short, send people who will KNOW how to deal with the problem without bloodshed.



Yeah and not only in the US. We just had a case in France at the beginning of the month:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831759885165588816

Imagine.. you are in the middle of a skizophrenic crisis. You armed yourself with a fork because you are scared, someone calls the police, the Police, untrained, panic and send you tear gaz, you panic, they shot you dead.

I did not quote you or anything, but for example things like running towards an officer will always result in you being shot. Even if an officer is a trained psychologist they would probably shoot you, because their life may be at risk. The article you posted doesn't say much so I don't know what happened.

 

[Logiko]

I did not quote you or anything

Come on..

like running towards an officer

Tazer

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Come on..


Tazer

It doesn't always work, can miss or be dodged and most often only has one shot.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Tazer

Nowadays in our modern 'pepeaceful' societies, individuals who desire to kill other humans while staying out of jail have exactly two choices: join the army or join police. Police is far less dangerous as you're oftentimes facing unarmed opponents.

 

[Logiko]

It doesn't always work, can miss or be dodged and most often only has one shot.

Mate.. usually people with mental health disorder will usually run toward the Police not with the intent to arm them but to seek refuge as they are seen as a figure of authority.

The police is simply NOT a mental health professionnal. They come with a lot of biases about violences and the ableism in society. They can't be put in front of person who is having a crisis, it's simply unethical.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Mate.. usually people with mental health disorder will usually run toward the Police not with the intent to arm them but to seek refuge as they are seen as a figure of authority.

The police is simply NOT a mental health professionnal. They come with a lot of biases about violences and the ableism in society. They can't be put in front of person who is having a crisis, it's simply unethical.

It doesn't work like that. If you are responding to a call about an individual acting violent you don't want them to charge at you and you won't allow it. It sucks but it is the way it is, and it can't be any other way for obvious reasons. If the police were required to let people charge at them, no-one would do it for €1500.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It doesn't work like that. If you are responding to a call about an individual acting violent you don't want them to charge at you and you won't allow it. It sucks but it is the way it is, and it can't be any other way for obvious reasons. If the police were required to let people charge at them, no-one would do it for €1500.

Fluffy, stop.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Fluffy, stop.

People are greatly misinformed about police behaviour due to Hollywood shenanigans. For example they think you can stop a car from shooting a tire, which is dumb.

So often when an officer shoots a criminal driving a car people will be mad and cry about an unnecessary use of lethal force.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

People are greatly misinformed about police behaviour due to Hollywood shenanigans. For example they think you can stop a car from shooting a tire, which is dumb.

So often when an officer shoots a criminal driving a car people will be mad and cry about an unnecessary use of lethal force.

Random post with no relevance to the discussion
Go back to eating pizza and being in the Mafia

 

[Logiko]

If you are responding to a call about an individual acting violent you don't want them to charge at you and you won't allow it

That's why you need to understand why you are intervening in the first place. The idea that you need to strike at any point is fundamentally flawed. It's reality that doesn't work like that. In reality, what you may see as a threat, might simply be someone who is scared and wants your help.

It sucks but it is the way it is

That's the speech of people that are okay with the status co and do not care that people like me are killed every month by the police. So sorry, but no. it's not the way it should be. We must change the system.

no-one would do it for €1500.

Well.. maybe the solution is less policing, more listening :)

So often when an officer shoots a criminal driving a car people will be mad.

The systemic violence in the police either in the US or in Europe are a scientific fact and data.

It's not a myth.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The systemic violence in the police either in the US or in Europe are a scientific fact and data.

Read --->

Nowadays in our modern 'pepeaceful' societies, individuals who desire to kill other humans while staying out of jail have exactly two choices: join the army or join police. Police is far less dangerous as you're oftentimes facing unarmed opponents.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

The systemic violence in the police either in the US or in Europe are a scientific fact and data.

It's not a myth.

This was supposed to be a bad thing?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This was supposed to be bad?

I don't understand this reaction