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Well this is only my very limited exposure but I've seen a bunch of videos with obvious mentally disturbed individuals (from America) and police completely incapable of handling the situation and then ended up killing the person which could have been prevented. US police are not exactly good at deescalation
I did, in the post where I was talking about defunding the police and reforming or replacing it with specialist in the case of mental health crisis.
You made fun of this assertion here:
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And don't think this was a mental health crisis problem in this case but someone WITH a mental health problem who acted based on radicalization. We are not talking about the same kind of crisis here mate.
So again. Reforming the police and stop sending the police in case of mental health issue or crisis is vital for people like me or people in even worse situation than me.
The police is killing us, either directly or indirectly based on bad training and stereotypes. So we kindly ask that to stop.
You have a problem with a skizophrenic person > Send a real specialist
You have a problem with a violent person > Send the police (and a one from the community)
You have a problem with an homeless person > Send a person from the social services
In short, send people who will KNOW how to deal with the problem without bloodshed.
Yeah and not only in the US. We just had a case in France at the beginning of the month:
Imagine.. you are in the middle of a skizophrenic crisis. You armed yourself with a fork because you are scared, someone calls the police, the Police, untrained, panic and send you tear gaz, you panic, they shot you dead.
You made fun of this assertion here:
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And don't think this was a mental health crisis problem in this case but someone WITH a mental health problem who acted based on radicalization. We are not talking about the same kind of crisis here mate.
So again. Reforming the police and stop sending the police in case of mental health issue or crisis is vital for people like me or people in even worse situation than me.
The police is killing us, either directly or indirectly based on bad training and stereotypes. So we kindly ask that to stop.
You have a problem with a skizophrenic person > Send a real specialist
You have a problem with a violent person > Send the police (and a one from the community)
You have a problem with an homeless person > Send a person from the social services
In short, send people who will KNOW how to deal with the problem without bloodshed.
Yeah and not only in the US. We just had a case in France at the beginning of the month:
Imagine.. you are in the middle of a skizophrenic crisis. You armed yourself with a fork because you are scared, someone calls the police, the Police, untrained, panic and send you tear gaz, you panic, they shot you dead.
It depends on the video, sometimes people are ignorant of police procedures or are too used to watching movies and think a situation can be handled differently. But in many cases the police is wrong too.
I did not quote you or anything, but for example things like running towards an officer will always result in you being shot. Even if an officer is a trained psychologist they would probably shoot you, because their life may be at risk. The article you posted doesn't say much so I don't know what happened.
I did not quote you or anything, but for example things like running towards an officer will always result in you being shot. Even if an officer is a trained psychologist they would probably shoot you, because their life may be at risk. The article you posted doesn't say much so I don't know what happened.
societies, individuals who desire to kill other humans while staying out of jail have exactly two choices: join the army or join police. Police is far less dangerous as you're oftentimes facing unarmed opponents.Mate.. usually people with mental health disorder will usually run toward the Police not with the intent to arm them but to seek refuge as they are seen as a figure of authority.
The police is simply NOT a mental health professionnal. They come with a lot of biases about violences and the ableism in society. They can't be put in front of person who is having a crisis, it's simply unethical.
The police is simply NOT a mental health professionnal. They come with a lot of biases about violences and the ableism in society. They can't be put in front of person who is having a crisis, it's simply unethical.
It doesn't work like that. If you are responding to a call about an individual acting violent you don't want them to charge at you and you won't allow it. It sucks but it is the way it is, and it can't be any other way for obvious reasons. If the police were required to let people charge at them, no-one would do it for €1500.
That's why you need to understand why you are intervening in the first place. The idea that you need to strike at any point is fundamentally flawed. It's reality that doesn't work like that. In reality, what you may see as a threat, might simply be someone who is scared and wants your help.
That's the speech of people that are okay with the status co and do not care that people like me are killed every month by the police. So sorry, but no. it's not the way it should be. We must change the system.
Well.. maybe the solution is less policing, more listening :)
The systemic violence in the police either in the US or in Europe are a scientific fact and data.
It's not a myth.
That's the speech of people that are okay with the status co and do not care that people like me are killed every month by the police. So sorry, but no. it's not the way it should be. We must change the system.
Well.. maybe the solution is less policing, more listening :)
The systemic violence in the police either in the US or in Europe are a scientific fact and data.
It's not a myth.
You don't understand, someone responding to a possible violent situation can't know if a person will use violence or not, and they are not supposed to take chances with their lives. You also don't know if a person will be violent or not because psychology is not an exact science, even a psychiatrist can't know for sure especially if they don't know the person. The surest way to prevent such tragedies is by taking precautions and to make sure that a person with mental problems won't find himself in this kind of situation. I know it really isn't easy but it's the best way.
You probably think officers have 10 seconds future sight ACoO.
You probably think officers have 10 seconds future sight ACoO.
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Me too
I think I do mate. Looking at the fact that I'm looking for actual research on the subject.
That's why you need to understand the context before the violent behavior first and send the appropriate personnal.
And not Rambo.
But the idea that people with mental disorder will use violence is actually a common ableist stereotype. Just a few week ago I was told to take my medication just because I raised my voice a little louder and the person was scared (and knew that I was taking meds).. image what happens when someone is having a skyzophrenic panic. Ask Monkey D Theories (nicely) what would happen if the Police charged in during a crisis of his relative.
Bringing the police to a mental health crisis is MORTAL (for the person who has mental health, the Police is usually protected behind guns)
Well.. instead of expecting the worse, maybe expect something better and instead of treating people with mental disabilities as threats... maybe try to look at them as human beings... just a thought.
Yeah. By understanding the context FIRST before inteverning and sending the appropriate personnal.
Me too
I think I do mate. Looking at the fact that I'm looking for actual research on the subject.
That's why you need to understand the context before the violent behavior first and send the appropriate personnal.
And not Rambo.
But the idea that people with mental disorder will use violence is actually a common ableist stereotype. Just a few week ago I was told to take my medication just because I raised my voice a little louder and the person was scared (and knew that I was taking meds).. image what happens when someone is having a skyzophrenic panic. Ask Monkey D Theories (nicely) what would happen if the Police charged in during a crisis of his relative.
Bringing the police to a mental health crisis is MORTAL (for the person who has mental health, the Police is usually protected behind guns)
Well.. instead of expecting the worse, maybe expect something better and instead of treating people with mental disabilities as threats... maybe try to look at them as human beings... just a thought.
Yeah. By understanding the context FIRST before inteverning and sending the appropriate personnal.
????
Me too
I think I do mate. Looking at the fact that I'm looking for actual research on the subject.
That's why you need to understand the context before the violent behavior first and send the appropriate personnal.
And not Rambo.
But the idea that people with mental disorder will use violence is actually a common ableist stereotype. Just a few week ago I was told to take my medication just because I raised my voice a little louder and the person was scared (and knew that I was taking meds).. image what happens when someone is having a skyzophrenic panic. Ask Monkey D Theories (nicely) what would happen if the Police charged in during a crisis of his relative.
Bringing the police to a mental health crisis is MORTAL (for the person who has mental health, the Police is usually protected behind guns)
Well.. instead of expecting the worse, maybe expect something better and instead of treating people with mental disabilities as threats... maybe try to look at them as human beings... just a thought.
Yeah. By understanding the context FIRST before inteverning and sending the appropriate personnal.
Me too
I think I do mate. Looking at the fact that I'm looking for actual research on the subject.
That's why you need to understand the context before the violent behavior first and send the appropriate personnal.
And not Rambo.
But the idea that people with mental disorder will use violence is actually a common ableist stereotype. Just a few week ago I was told to take my medication just because I raised my voice a little louder and the person was scared (and knew that I was taking meds).. image what happens when someone is having a skyzophrenic panic. Ask Monkey D Theories (nicely) what would happen if the Police charged in during a crisis of his relative.
Bringing the police to a mental health crisis is MORTAL (for the person who has mental health, the Police is usually protected behind guns)
Well.. instead of expecting the worse, maybe expect something better and instead of treating people with mental disabilities as threats... maybe try to look at them as human beings... just a thought.
Yeah. By understanding the context FIRST before inteverning and sending the appropriate personnal.