Chapter Discussion Is Oda cooked or is Elbaf's server broken?
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Actually it does. That's the job of the editors. They are not just here to supervise the overall story, they are here also for quality check. And were are talking about a BIG slip up here, not just the common mistake that we usually see.
Again, they will happen pretty much each chapter. What is not normal is how many there are here.
The error is not just the sword, the error comes from the fact of making the sword appear AND disappear multiple time, the band appear and disappear MULTIPLE times, the switching shapes of the designs, the clear change of OBJECTS between panel of the SAME page, the error of moves, the thematic of the illusion, the repetition of a combo panel.
We call that a pattern. It's not a simple case of a few errors, it's multiple occurences that should not even be possible unless there was a problem during the creation of the chapter OR by design.
Really, no. You should be amazed by the number of error here. This NEVER happened on this scale. (at least not in my knowledge)
Also fun fact: it's all about errors on the characters and not the environement.
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Again, In term of continuity, it's not just three errors, it's AT LEAST 20.
Again, they will happen pretty much each chapter. What is not normal is how many there are here.
The error is not just the sword, the error comes from the fact of making the sword appear AND disappear multiple time, the band appear and disappear MULTIPLE times, the switching shapes of the designs, the clear change of OBJECTS between panel of the SAME page, the error of moves, the thematic of the illusion, the repetition of a combo panel.
We call that a pattern. It's not a simple case of a few errors, it's multiple occurences that should not even be possible unless there was a problem during the creation of the chapter OR by design.
Really, no. You should be amazed by the number of error here. This NEVER happened on this scale. (at least not in my knowledge)
Also fun fact: it's all about errors on the characters and not the environement.
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Again, In term of continuity, it's not just three errors, it's AT LEAST 20.
I'm not talking about the characters, I mean the lego buildings.
If you have two people working on the same thing without good coordination, the end product will feel disconnected. This Smoke on bike scene is an example. The bike is drawn by his editor, after editor finished it, then Oda drew Smoker on top of his editor's work. Oda don't draw Smoker holding the handle might be because editor and Oda have two different perspectives, scene like this should drawn by one person. Also it will cause mistakes that require to erase partial of the bike which Oda probably doesn't want to overlap his editor's work.
If you have two people working on the same thing without good coordination, the end product will feel disconnected. This Smoke on bike scene is an example. The bike is drawn by his editor, after editor finished it, then Oda drew Smoker on top of his editor's work. Oda don't draw Smoker holding the handle might be because editor and Oda have two different perspectives, scene like this should drawn by one person. Also it will cause mistakes that require to erase partial of the bike which Oda probably doesn't want to overlap his editor's work.
A mangaka storyboards their chapter alone and does the character art (at the very least). Oda's assisstants, as of the last time we got an update on it, only drew background buildings.
Second of all, if his assisstant first drew the bike then Oda would have an easier time drawing a Smoker that actually holds the bikes' handles, don't you think so?
Smoker was drawn like that because he powers his bike with his DF and doesn't need to hold the handles + he looks cooler that way. Simple as
Assisstants' work is never used as the base, ever, otherwise that would make them the mangaka and not Oda (or whoever else)
If those are not errors, I think it's a magistral way to introduce the fact that we are in an illusion. It's so meta
Exactly
Idk if it’s that weird but when nami fell down she didn’t end up getting hurt at all with another pitch black panel popping up before we see her land. Same type of panel popped up when she woke up
More than that, it's would be scary. This should not be happening or even pass through the editor or even Oda himself.
Imagine, it's like you are a film director and there is a continuity error on every shots. It's a nightmare for the editor later.
On a first read, it was smooth for me.. (even if I sensed a weird stuff from the jump of Nami without damages), but it's obvious once you see it. The errors and discontinuities are everywhere. It's like Oda played a game of "how many error can I put without being spotted?"
Imagine, it's like you are a film director and there is a continuity error on every shots. It's a nightmare for the editor later.
On a first read, it was smooth for me.. (even if I sensed a weird stuff from the jump of Nami without damages), but it's obvious once you see it. The errors and discontinuities are everywhere. It's like Oda played a game of "how many error can I put without being spotted?"
Making an entire chapter without one single mistake is very hard by design.. but here... it's just another level.
The nature are similar, yes. The recurrence are not normal.
(Chap 1126)
- The sword with a spherical pummel and a simple circular guard appears
- The bandana appears
- The circle vest button appears
Chap 1127:
> The sword disappears
> The band on the left arm disappears
- The sword reappears
> The sword had now a circle pummel
- The bandana reappears
> The circle vest button is a square now
> The sword disappears
- The sword reappears
> The band on the left arm disappears
> The sword now has a fancy guard, not a circular one
- The band on her left arm reappears
(notice here that even in panels where Nami is just suggested, Oda take the time to draw the sword and the band on her arm)
- Usopp's bag appears
> The sword diseappears (middle panel)
(Notice that those three are on the SAME page)
(still no sword)
> The band on the left arm disappears
- The sword reappears
- The band on the left arm reappears
> The sword disappears
> Usopp's bag disappears
- The bag reappears
(Still no sword)
(Still no sword)
> The band on the left arm disappears
(Clearly still no sword)
> Usopp's bag disappears
(still no sword ?)
(yeah, still no sword)
> Luffy uses a Gear 3 attack but calls it Gear 4
> Luffy has no weapon behind his back
> Luffy has no strawhat showing
Why is Nami shocked ? (she should know that the trio would take care of that)
(Still no sword)
> A sword appears on Luffy's back
(Still no Usopp's bag)
(Still no sword on Nami)
(Still no strawhats)
- The band on her left arm reappears
(Still no strawhat)
The dialogue here, feel a bit eefy, but it could be a confirmation bias
> An axe appears on Luffy's back
> Is this really Enma on the bottom left ?
(Still no sword)
> The vest button is a CIRCLE again
I count at least 20 mistakes and at least 20 inconsistancies.
Something is off.
The nature are similar, yes. The recurrence are not normal.
(Chap 1126)
- The sword with a spherical pummel and a simple circular guard appears
- The bandana appears
- The circle vest button appears
Chap 1127:
> The sword disappears
> The band on the left arm disappears
- The sword reappears
> The sword had now a circle pummel
- The bandana reappears
> The circle vest button is a square now
> The sword disappears
- The sword reappears
> The band on the left arm disappears
> The sword now has a fancy guard, not a circular one
- The band on her left arm reappears
(notice here that even in panels where Nami is just suggested, Oda take the time to draw the sword and the band on her arm)
- Usopp's bag appears
> The sword diseappears (middle panel)
(Notice that those three are on the SAME page)
(still no sword)
> The band on the left arm disappears
- The sword reappears
- The band on the left arm reappears
> The sword disappears
> Usopp's bag disappears
- The bag reappears
(Still no sword)
(Still no sword)
> The band on the left arm disappears
(Clearly still no sword)
> Usopp's bag disappears
(still no sword ?)
(yeah, still no sword)
> Luffy uses a Gear 3 attack but calls it Gear 4
> Luffy has no weapon behind his back
> Luffy has no strawhat showing
Why is Nami shocked ? (she should know that the trio would take care of that)
(Still no sword)
> A sword appears on Luffy's back
(Still no Usopp's bag)
(Still no sword on Nami)
(Still no strawhats)
- The band on her left arm reappears
(Still no strawhat)
The dialogue here, feel a bit eefy, but it could be a confirmation bias
> An axe appears on Luffy's back
> Is this really Enma on the bottom left ?
(Still no sword)
> The vest button is a CIRCLE again
I count at least 20 mistakes and at least 20 inconsistancies.
Something is off.
On top of that assuming they all drank a similar amount sanji, usopp, and luffy should no way be awake before nami. Tho luffy along with chopper probably didn’t drink since they don’t really like it
Based only on the last chapter only nami, zoro, sanji, and usopp drank. Which imo makes the most sense
Besides luffy and chopper who don’t drink zoro is probably okay too unless he underestimated the fairy drink. I could be wrong but I don’t think we’ve ever seen zoro deadass shitfaced
Maybe while nami, sanji, and usopp accidentally got fucked up they took the sunny while luffy, zoro, and chopper where knocked out from eating and zoro being zoro
So maybe x2 if the “drunk trio” separated so will the “sleep trio” to look for them. It probably being luffy and nami, zoro and sanji, and chopper and usopp. Tho I wouldn’t mind it being mixed up those just seem like common pairings
Based only on the last chapter only nami, zoro, sanji, and usopp drank. Which imo makes the most sense
Besides luffy and chopper who don’t drink zoro is probably okay too unless he underestimated the fairy drink. I could be wrong but I don’t think we’ve ever seen zoro deadass shitfaced
Maybe while nami, sanji, and usopp accidentally got fucked up they took the sunny while luffy, zoro, and chopper where knocked out from eating and zoro being zoro
So maybe x2 if the “drunk trio” separated so will the “sleep trio” to look for them. It probably being luffy and nami, zoro and sanji, and chopper and usopp. Tho I wouldn’t mind it being mixed up those just seem like common pairings
Of crouse Oda did all the design and storyboard first.
I'm trying to say Oda doesn't subject to one design, he often reiterate the design while drawing them. So the initial design that Oda gave to his assistants were not actually his finite desired design. After his assistants drawn them, he have to follow on that work which limiting his creativity. This is just my guess, sometimes I feel oda is frustrated, he just simply scribble on them.
I'm trying to say Oda doesn't subject to one design, he often reiterate the design while drawing them. So the initial design that Oda gave to his assistants were not actually his finite desired design. After his assistants drawn them, he have to follow on that work which limiting his creativity. This is just my guess, sometimes I feel oda is frustrated, he just simply scribble on them.
He could just have said : "Nami swan I made a new move called Ifrit Jambe, it makes blue electricity"... The rest Nami already saw the position of Sanji's attacks, and she saw the exact same combo move (named similarily)
If it is not an hallucination, Nami is clearly having a bad trip and puzzling her reality with informations she already knows.
The thematic of the chapter is about hallucinations AND the land is not called "Elbaf", but the "Land of Mystery".
The coincidence is too big to be just a pattern. Let's sum up :
- Nami is first talking about dreaming
- At least 20 continuity mistakes
- We are in a toy town, literally a fake town
- Usopp and Nami are talking about having an hallucination
- Nami falls but doesn't take real damage and she just get back up the way she woke up.
- The cat turned into a Lion.. without reasons
- The last combo panel is a replica of chapter 162 that Nami witnessed.
All of this could be nothing and we would need to have a serious discussion about Oda. Or.. we are simply in front of a masterclass.
Yes. Did you notice the fact that they do not have giant size ?
Weird, right ?
Plus there is something weird:
The design of Nami vest broche, is similar at the end of chapter 1126 and at the end chapter 1127, but NOT during the entire 1127 chapter.
So we can rule out the fact that Oda just changed the design while drawing UNLESS, he drew the ending of 1126 and 1127 at the same time, which is possible. (But then, he purposefully removed the sword)
If it is not an hallucination, Nami is clearly having a bad trip and puzzling her reality with informations she already knows.
The thematic of the chapter is about hallucinations AND the land is not called "Elbaf", but the "Land of Mystery".
The coincidence is too big to be just a pattern. Let's sum up :
- Nami is first talking about dreaming
- At least 20 continuity mistakes
- We are in a toy town, literally a fake town
- Usopp and Nami are talking about having an hallucination
- Nami falls but doesn't take real damage and she just get back up the way she woke up.
- The cat turned into a Lion.. without reasons
- The last combo panel is a replica of chapter 162 that Nami witnessed.
All of this could be nothing and we would need to have a serious discussion about Oda. Or.. we are simply in front of a masterclass.
Yes. Did you notice the fact that they do not have giant size ?
Weird, right ?
Plus there is something weird:
The design of Nami vest broche, is similar at the end of chapter 1126 and at the end chapter 1127, but NOT during the entire 1127 chapter.
So we can rule out the fact that Oda just changed the design while drawing UNLESS, he drew the ending of 1126 and 1127 at the same time, which is possible. (But then, he purposefully removed the sword)