Powers & Abilities Black Blade is a Haki Feat (Most Likely)

[Xione]

Another BB thread but this is not focused on the recent GB thing. I know most people would cry but this is the truth. Only two confirmed BBs in the story (GBs is not confirmed). BBs are forged and not painted. Per Onimaru (retard fox talking about shit like he knows it) Shusui was forged into a black blade through a history of battles of Ryuma, mind you Ryuma was said to be able to finish a fight in a single blow/strike. Mihawks VC also says that he kept on fighting until no worthy opponents remained. Based on this it would be good assumption that after fighting a lot of battles the blade can be turned black. However, their is a big flaw in this argument, there are many characters who also have a history of battles and yet they have not forged a black blade. The biggest example would be Nasujuro, the guy is old as fuck (normal age) and is probably hundred of years old like Saturn was (I think Nasujuro might actually be from Void Century era) and he has a SG blade Kitetsu 1. So how come a samurai (most likely from Wano) who has lived centuries and loves his blade (saw him tending to it like Zoro) was unable to forge his blade into a black blade.

We dont actually know when Mihawk turned Yoru into a BB but even if we take his pre TS age of 41-42 it is still many times less than Nasujuros life. We dont know when Ryuma forged Shusui into a BB but he died from sickness at 47 so again that is a young age compared to Nasujuro. And in OP the 40s seem to be the age of prime of a character. Even if we take Roger who was 53 at time of death and he loved his blade and also loved to fight (we saw how eager he was to test Oden and wanted to fight WB) and he was an active pirate for decades and fought against the strongest chars introduced so far in the series (WB, Rocks, Garp etc.) and yet he was unable to forge Ace into a BB. WB who lived even longer was also unable to forge Murakomgiri into a BB.

So just having strong haki (strongest haki users so far in the series) and history of battles is not enough. Then we also have to understand that Zoro will most likely forge his blades into BBs at his current age of 21-22. And he has spent less time with these swords (2 years for Sandai, few months for Enma) than all the guys I mentioned previously have spent with their blades.

So what is the secret ingredient, Road to LT magazine suggested that their might be more to BBs than just haki, yet the becoming one with blade/loving the blade or history of battles do not seem to be the secret factor. The last clue we have is of Odens dad saying that Zoro might turn Enma into a BB but it depends on Zoro and Oden was unable to do it even though he wielded the blade for like 3 decades and was a sword loving samurai who loved fighting.

I think that their is a level of haki above of what we have been shown so far. We saw JBs haki burst (storing haki in the knot) which forced haki monsters like Gorosei out of their awakened forms and how it might be stronger than Shanks (what was the official translation idk) and we also know that JB and Ryuma were paralleled. We also know that Luffy has not yet reached that level, he will when he surpasses Shanks.

I personally don't think there is anyone who has made a black blade within 1 generation. Rather it takes multiple generations in my opinion to make a black blade.

With Enma we already know that there is residual effect of Odens Haki on it. Whenever Zoro turns it into a black blade, Odens Haki still would've been a contributing factor.

W also don't know how long Ryuuma took to make the blade black, did he do it in his 60s? Etc.

Amount of fighting and amount of Haki into the sword will be one of the factors.

 

[Rootbeer]

Hyou showed us when training Luffy any swordsman can channel and release haki through their fist. He did it past his prime.

All of Zoro's major growth post TS have been haki growth. You are talking out of your ass. Rooftop Zoro blocked hakai, a combo attack from 2 yonkos that's beyond sky splitting level before the strength of his haki barrier.

Keep coping.

You're really saying nothing there..

Imbuing Haki in a Sword and gathering invisible Haki layer around your fist is completely different..

Not this non sense again, Zoro didn't block Hakai he was saved by Law.. And he didn't use CoA Barrier, he just put Hardening on his Blades as usual and it grasp the whole attack for 3 seconds or whatever..

 

[BestGen]

When did I say weapons will be as powerful as the user?

I've already explained weapons are tools used to channel the user power through. That tells us all the power comes from the user.

Strong characters require strong weapons. The strongest characters will require the strongest weapons.

You are mad because black blade are tied to the strongest characters in the manga.

Roger and Joyboy neg black blade clowns

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Like Shanks could have one shotted Kid without a blade with an AdCoC punch, his blade is literally useless..
AdCoC isn't channeled through the blade, the blade just become part of your greater personal range.. It's garbage..

You Sword wanker, the Haki user is the ultimate weapon.. That's all that matter.. If Garp did his version of Coby's honesty impact, he would complete destroy Dragon Damnation and Zoro with his fake AdCoC would never touch a real AdCoC user..

Sword merchants get power boosts from their weapons like zori and hawky
They need to get stronger to handle their weapons while roger and wb need stronger weapons to handle them
The whole raid was zori trying to catch up to Enmas power
Zgirls were never able to read or even understand their own character

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"ZKK is guaranteed"
"Zori low diff 1st mates"

 

[CbShadow]

Roger and Joyboy neg black blade clowns

That must be why Roger never could create black blade and Joyboy was a magical fruit eater.

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Sword merchants get power boosts from their weapons like zori and hawky
They need to get stronger to handle their weapons while roger and wb need stronger weapons to handle them
The whole raid was zori trying to catch up to Enmas power
Zgirls were never able to read or even understand their own character

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"ZKK is guaranteed"
"Zori low diff 1st mates"

Tell me you don't read them One Piece without telling me you don't need One Piece.


Black blades are the strongest weapons in the manga. The reason you create a black blade is so you have a weapon strong enough to handle your power. That's beyond Roger and WB power.

Enma made Zoro weaker during most of the war and he still outperformed Luffy on the rooftop who had a magical fruit that game him free powers.

Zoro is veteran level.
Zoro needs to beat WW's to prove he's YC level.
Zoro will never reach the rooftop.
Zoro will never see a yonko.
Zoro won't fight a yonko.
Zoro will be oneshot by a yonko.
Zoro won't cut Kaido.
Zoro is weaker than the SN captains.
Luffy can oneshot King.




But please go on and talk about ZKK while being wrong about everything else and continue to be wrong about everything else.

 

[Rootbeer]

That must be why Roger never could create black blade and Joyboy was a magical fruit eater.

Cause it's not worth it for those who stand a the top of the food chain.. Black Blades is more about CoA, Top Haki users focus on CoC since CoC is superior to CoA and CoO.. It's better to go after the level beyond AdCoC than Black Blades..

 

[CbShadow]

Cause it's not worth it for those who stand a the top of the food chain.. Black Blades is more about CoA, Top Haki users focus on CoC since CoC is superior to CoA and CoO.. It's better to go after the level beyond AdCoC than Black Blades..

You make no sense. The strongest characters in the mangs at the top of the food chains would want to have the strongest blade that can handle the strongest power and haki.

As you say, CoC is stronger than CoA and CoO. If Joyboy, Roger, and WB attacked Mihawk with a combo attack using their strongest haki they wouldn't be able to break Mihawk's sword.

If black blades are a CoA thing then they would be able to break a black blade because CoC is stronger but since they won't be able to break it that means black blade are created with just CoA. CoC is necessary and and plays a major role in creating black blades.

Remember, to master a sword you have to bend it to your will. What do you think you must do it you want to permanently change a sword? You got to go beyond just bending the sword to your will. CoC is the power that overpower people's willpower.

 

[Rootbeer]

You make no sense. The strongest characters in the mangs at the top of the food chains would want to have the strongest blade that can handle the strongest power and haki.

As you say, CoC is stronger than CoA and CoO. If Joyboy, Roger, and WB attacked Mihawk with a combo attack using their strongest haki they wouldn't be able to break Mihawk's sword.

If black blades are a CoA thing then they would be able to break a black blade because CoC is stronger but since they won't be able to break it that means black blade are created with just CoA. CoC is necessary and and plays a major role in creating black blades.

Remember, to master a sword you have to bend it to your will. What do you think you must do it you want to permanently change a sword? You got to go beyond just bending the sword to your will. CoC is the power that overpower people's willpower.

Your Sword wanking Zoro for WSS 2024 is really showing..

No they would not, because they are at their strongest without the strongest Blade, it wouldn't change their power level..

They wouldn't need to break Mihawk's sword, their Haki would bypass it and render it useless..

Unllikely, yes to master a sword you have to bend it to your will, although to create a Black Blade you can't overpower the Blade will.. You have to upgrade it's Willpower, so it's not about conquering, but boosting it's soul..

 

[a_fan]

wonder who made this guy go hakibloom so hard, his sword became black

I wonder what made this guy go hakiblook so hard, his sword became black

“Ryuma’s history of battle” makes a lot of sense.

We know Ryuma is a wandering swordsman like Zoro so he likely fought oppressors and freed people. We also know that he scared WG out of Wano which isn’t an easy feat.

Same for Mihawk who certainly has a rough backstory and went berserk that got him the epithet marine hunter.

Compared to all the other admirals and yonkos who did not face much competition and low diffed 99% of their opponents (except 1-2 top tiers that got them the reputation and that was it).

 

[Rootbeer]

@Blazing Lion A Black Blade could be seen as a second forging of the Blade, when the Blacksmith first forged a Meito he put his soul into it and brought to life a Dangerous Blade with a unique ability..

 

[nik87]

I will say it here and now - Black Blades are a stage of aCoC that nobody could achieve, except Ryuma, Mihawk and Zoro.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

There is no downplay, buddy-chin...
Haki simply conquers everything.
You saw that DF abilities cannot even manifest in front of hakimen.
So, whether you eat one, 3 or 30 of those Devil Fruits, it is useless.

the idea blackbeard has bad or subpar haki is actually pretty big cope. he clearly has very strong haki in both armament and observation. he's still the only character in the entire series who can casually look at someone and scan their haki power levels like its dragonball z, and his armament is good enough that he can casually block s-hawk's island-cutting slashes with one hand. he looked better blocking s-hawk than zoro did, at least. he's going to have conquerors haki too. his haki is pretty up there.

 

[Cruxroux]

he's still the only character in the entire series who can casually look at someone and scan their haki power levels like its dragonball z,

Pretty sure mihawk been doing the same

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and his armament is good enough that he can casually block s-hawk's island-cutting slashes with one hand. he looked better blocking s-hawk than zoro did, at least. he's going to have conquerors haki too. his haki is pretty up there

Point is , It was S-Hawk win in the end , he got thrown away.
And Zoro smiled at S-Hawk attack.
Blackbeard was terrified.

 

[nik87]

the idea blackbeard has bad or subpar haki is actually pretty big cope. he clearly has very strong haki in both armament and observation. he's still the only character in the entire series who can casually look at someone and scan their haki power levels like its dragonball z, and his armament is good enough that he can casually block s-hawk's island-cutting slashes with one hand. he looked better blocking s-hawk than zoro did, at least. he's going to have conquerors haki too. his haki is pretty up there.

Nowhere did I mentioned Blackbeard's haki.
I said his DF abilities cannot manifest in front of hakimen, no matter how many fruits he stuffs himself with.
Those who choose a shortcut to power by eating Devil Fruits can never match those who choose to walk the path of hakiman.

 

[BestGen]

All you see is cope every message
Once a zkk reader always zkk reader

All the zgirls just like each others posts giving each other fake confidence in dump opinions

S hawk not damaging Blackbeard and getting scared of yami fruit and running away is a W somehow

 

[CbShadow]

Your Sword wanking Zoro for WSS 2024 is really showing..

No they would not, because they are at their strongest without the strongest Blade, it wouldn't change their power level..

They wouldn't need to break Mihawk's sword, their Haki would bypass it and render it useless..

Unllikely, yes to master a sword you have to bend it to your will, although to create a Black Blade you can't overpower the Blade will.. You have to upgrade it's Willpower, so it's not about conquering, but boosting it's soul..

Your Joyboy anti sword wank is showing as usual.

Thanks for acknowledging they can't break a black blade.

How can they bypass the sword if Mihawk cuts through their haki with the pinnacle of swordsmanship that allows the users to cut anything. Either that power requires CoC or CoA is stronger than CoC.

Mastering a sword requires willpower but going beyond that doesn't?

 

[Rootbeer]

Your Joyboy anti sword wank is showing as usual.

Thanks for acknowledging they can't break a black blade.

How can they bypass the sword if Mihawk cuts through their haki with the pinnacle of swordsmanship that allows the users to cut anything. Either that power requires CoC or CoA is stronger than CoC.

Mastering a sword requires willpower but going beyond that doesn't?

I don't think Mihawk or any Swordsmen can cut through no touch AdCoC.. And it deals internal damage.. The only way to block AdCoC no touch is by countering it with another AdCoC no touch attack.. But Mihawk won't have AdCoC because it's not a Sword Skill, that's why Black Blades exist..

I think to create a Black Blade you need, Base CoC infusion + Hardening infusion + CoO infusion.. Like a vivre Card but with Hardening..

 

[Dragon777]

Irrelevant..

You said:

A Haki master will always be stronger without a weapon, the pinnacle of Haki is weaponless since AdCoC doesn't touch, weapons are completely irrelevant..

And I replayed:

Fighters can fight without Weapons but It was literally stated the opposite.
Also both WB and Roger were Saijo users.

Which is factual.

Sure, there is Garp, but Roger (the most wanked CoC user of the manga out of mythical characters) had a Saijo; the Coc God/Oda's putative son of this era, Shanks, has a sword (likely a Saijo); Mihawk, final enemy of Zoro and forger of a BB, has a Saijo. WB too has a Saijo, and I could go on.

 

[BestGen]

You said:



And I replayed:



Which is factual.

Sure, there is Garp, but Roger (the most wanked CoC user of the manga out of mythical characters) had a Saijo; the Coc God/Oda's putative son of this era, Shanks, has a sword (likely a Saijo); Mihawk, final enemy of Zoro and forger of a BB, has a Saijo. WB too has a Saijo, and I could go on.

Fujitora Venusjurl have saijo

Ryuma doesn't

 

[CbShadow]

Fujitora Venusjurl have saijo

Ryuma doesn't

Ryuma has a black blade which are the most elite blades in the manga.

Ryuma sword is above Fujitora sword.

 

[Rootbeer]

You said:



And I replayed:



Which is factual.

Sure, there is Garp, but Roger (the most wanked CoC user of the manga out of mythical characters) had a Saijo; the Coc God/Oda's putative son of this era, Shanks, has a sword (likely a Saijo); Mihawk, final enemy of Zoro and forger of a BB, has a Saijo. WB too has a Saijo, and I could go on.

So are you saying Luffy is going to get a Supreme Grade Blade too?.. And what do you mean by '' it was literally stated the opposite ''..