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Yes I did, it's in my ISO. He was reluctant to claim on request when previously he hasn't ever shown that as town, he read me town when usually he elects to just not read me, and then flipped his read simply because I asked him to claim. Him pushing for a CFD on me without seeking a claim also looked bad too.
You think he pushes for a CFD on you as scum though? Indigo? lol
 
I argued he plausibly had botched it by claiming it because AM's role was a roleblocker that didn't explicitly say roleblocker. I was not expecting duplicate roles and I don't know why you would think I would. Again I have issues with the setup on this basis.
That's kinda the rub there though - he wasn't technically a roleblocker, so the only reason to insist a contradiction there would be set up spec. Those aren't duplicate roles. You can infer based on wording that AM's probably doesn't block factional kills
 

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You think he pushes for a CFD on you as scum though? Indigo? lol
It's not impossible, but hy then my read had already been formed. It wasn't that strong, was mostly just a consideration, which is why I mentioned him as a afterthought today.

Now if you're going to suggest I'm scum because I missed on a read I should have made, I would point out that from my PoV, you've missed several reads already that should be easy for you - Luka's play around me is very obviously not partnered and if you can't see that, then you're either scum or you've got tunnel vision.
 

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That's kinda the rub there though - he wasn't technically a roleblocker, so the only reason to insist a contradiction there would be set up spec. Those aren't duplicate roles. You can infer based on wording that AM's probably doesn't block factional kills
They are duplicates - they both stop roles from being used. That's as written. It's a lot easier for you to argue this now with the benefit of hindsight heroism, before Reloaded flipped, it looked for all the world like they were the same. Another aspect that you're missing here is that Ekko died Night 1 and he was Ekko's main scum read. Common sense says that Ekko was probably killed for a reason, and I weighed it up, and didn't feel like Reloaded was so hard to set up that they kill Ekko for it.

There's my thought process.
 

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Is it confusing and fairly sloppy, yes.

But quite obvious you've been swinging and missing here
Can you really blame me? Look at the game state. Look at how easy it is for scum to do nothing. In fact I suspect that scum by and large have been doing that- nothing.
 
It's not impossible, but hy then my read had already been formed. It wasn't that strong, was mostly just a consideration, which is why I mentioned him as a afterthought today.

Now if you're going to suggest I'm scum because I missed on a read I should have made, I would point out that from my PoV, you've missed several reads already that should be easy for you - Luka's play around me is very obviously not partnered and if you can't see that, then you're either scum or you've got tunnel vision.
Feel free to elaborate on this
 

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Feel free to elaborate on this
Early game he very plainly appeals to me. Then when the tide turns he forces a scum read on me but realised he couldn't actually get there so waffled around it. You can argue it was scripted distancing but there was simply no call for it this game, this should not be a tough read for you Ultra, not at all.
 
Early game he very plainly appeals to me. Then when the tide turns he forces a scum read on me but realised he couldn't actually get there so waffled around it. You can argue it was scripted distancing but there was simply no call for it this game, this should not be a tough read for you Ultra, not at all.
Possibly if he had other objectives to contend with. This game seems very sluggishly paced though, not hard to buy Luka got bored and did some cute little song and dance around you. I mean, he's especially prone to those kind of plays
 

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Possibly if he had other objectives to contend with. This game seems very sluggishly paced though, not hard to buy Luka got bored and did some cute little song and dance around you. I mean, he's especially prone to those kind of plays
At this point you're fitting square oegs into round holes to maintain your position. No reason for him to do it and if there was, no reason for me to town read him given that it would be a mutual effort. I mean, when you have to assume that Luka went off the rails arbitrarily yeah you don't have a very good argument. The unfortunate part is you'll probably get rewarded for this here.
 
Can you really blame me? Look at the game state. Look at how easy it is for scum to do nothing. In fact I suspect that scum by and large have been doing that- nothing.
If I'm buying that the scum team is full of lames then it begs the question why you aren't dead even more
 
At this point you're fitting square oegs into round holes to maintain your position. No reason for him to do it and if there was, no reason for me to town read him given that it would be a mutual effort. I mean, when you have to assume that Luka went off the rails arbitrarily yeah you don't have a very good argument. The unfortunate part is you'll probably get rewarded for this here.
What do you mean went off the rails? His progression around you went from town to null. What's he doing here that's totally irreconcilable? Kissing your ass doesn't count.
 

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If I'm buying that the scum team is full of lames then it begs the question why you aren't dead even more
Well you got shot last night, no? Your previous role. Emil Night 1.

The problem I have with your arguments is that they lack nuance, and holistic consideration. You have just picked an angle and then used that to base your entire game view off. I don't believe that as town you read how the game has gone and decided that the best approach to reading it is to guess based on some throwaway Ekko post Day 1. It's going to work anyway, but I won't just roll over.
 

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What do you mean went off the rails? His progression around you went from town to null. What's he doing here that's totally irreconcilable? Kissing your ass doesn't count.
No, he tried to fit a scum read there clearly, but when I questioned it he walked it back because it didn't work at all. Not to mention that if I'm scun with him, there would be a plan to this, not just "do random things Luka". If you were town you'd understand, it's okay.
 

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Heading off for now - please get full claims from Ultra, Charlie and then the rest. York is probably town and should go last. Apollo and Gad should claim soon too.
 
Anyone who hasn't claimed nobody say shit until Charles/Ratchet/Apollo claim ty
name: Denki Kaminari

abilities:
- Electric Shock - i target someone and their next action cannot be redirected OR gets upgraded (based on ability I assume) [2-shot]
- Lightning Boost - i target someone and their action cannot be messed up by a bus drive [1-shot]

i'm basically anti redirection/bus drive role so when Yoho claimed redirector i thought it's clear scum
 
name: Denki Kaminari

abilities:
- Electric Shock - i target someone and their next action cannot be redirected OR gets upgraded (based on ability I assume) [2-shot]
- Lightning Boost - i target someone and their action cannot be messed up by a bus drive [1-shot]

i'm basically anti redirection/bus drive role so when Yoho claimed redirector i thought it's clear scum
Well me/indigo flipped town Bus Driver so uh...what are your thoughts on that
 
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