Versus Battle 3GH Duo Showdown - RSJ + Ren Pa VS Ri Boku + SBS || 250K VS 250K || [READ]
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Riboku was bothered by Duke Hyou as the man was pretty much the peak of instinctual prowess. Before that he saw Keisha as the best instictual and he nonethless had all the keys to beat him. Duke Hyou just happened to be the absolute extreme of that particular warfare, which Renpa wouldn't be (despite having, overall, more weapons than Duke Hyou).
Renpa is most versatile general in the story but Riboku is more troubled by those kind of "extremes" of unconventional warfare, like Duke Hyou or Kanki. Make no mistake no one is beating Renpa easily but at the end of the day I'm giving it to Riboku's genius and portrayal as the best in the story. When Riboku made that comment on Renpa not being outright beatable strictly in head on clash (with even numbers), Renpa pretty much had the best set of subordinates we've seen. The Four Heavenly Kings together + him? Really broken combo.
Renpa is most versatile general in the story but Riboku is more troubled by those kind of "extremes" of unconventional warfare, like Duke Hyou or Kanki. Make no mistake no one is beating Renpa easily but at the end of the day I'm giving it to Riboku's genius and portrayal as the best in the story. When Riboku made that comment on Renpa not being outright beatable strictly in head on clash (with even numbers), Renpa pretty much had the best set of subordinates we've seen. The Four Heavenly Kings together + him? Really broken combo.
Duke Hyou was indeed the pinnacle of Instinctual prowess, however as a matter of style, he was decidedly less precise and far more reckless than Ren Pa ever could be.
Ren Pa may not have be quite as good as Duke Hyou, but I've ALWAYS ranked him as the second best with few potential challengers - such as Yo Tan Wa and Kan Ki, who I believe are also natural Hybrid Types if not pure Strategic/Instinctual Type.
Even so, Ren Pa would've always been the strongest of all Instinctual Types - by far. He possess top tier martial, leadership, strategic, tactical and instinctual skills and has the knowledge and experience to match. There won't be another like him again.
Ren Pa may not have be quite as good as Duke Hyou, but I've ALWAYS ranked him as the second best with few potential challengers - such as Yo Tan Wa and Kan Ki, who I believe are also natural Hybrid Types if not pure Strategic/Instinctual Type.
Even so, Ren Pa would've always been the strongest of all Instinctual Types - by far. He possess top tier martial, leadership, strategic, tactical and instinctual skills and has the knowledge and experience to match. There won't be another like him again.
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Which was what? Shin. Ousen doesn’t have Shin as a part of his army. Therefore this is irrelevant to Ousen vs Shibashou. Which is why Akou explicitly said Ousen was curb stomped by Shibashou alone.
Cool. Ousen is still the superior strategist. Renpa is in no way superior to Ousen as a strategist, and Shibashou ate Ousen’s tactics and spat them back out. Renpa’s strategies are in no way relevant against Shibashou in a straightforward battle scenario.
Cool. Ousen is still the superior strategist. Renpa is in no way superior to Ousen as a strategist, and Shibashou ate Ousen’s tactics and spat them back out. Renpa’s strategies are in no way relevant against Shibashou in a straightforward battle scenario.
There's no one disputing that the Seika Army is overall simply stronger than the Ou Sen Army.
However, were it just Ou Sen and SBS representing the 6GGs and 3GHs at the Battle of Hango, SBS would not have been able to win.
He would have lost this badly quite badly on his own, against an Ou Sen armed with such assets as the likes of Gyoku Hou and Hi Shin units.
Superior strategist, sure. Ren Pa may yet be the superior tactician by virtu of his experience and, in my view, superior Instincts. He's undoubtedly the more well rounded general and therefore arguably better. Ren Pa is a martial monster with superior officers, he can easily give SBS a run for his money in a fight without weight boost.
However, were it just Ou Sen and SBS representing the 6GGs and 3GHs at the Battle of Hango, SBS would not have been able to win.
He would have lost this badly quite badly on his own, against an Ou Sen armed with such assets as the likes of Gyoku Hou and Hi Shin units.
Superior strategist, sure. Ren Pa may yet be the superior tactician by virtu of his experience and, in my view, superior Instincts. He's undoubtedly the more well rounded general and therefore arguably better. Ren Pa is a martial monster with superior officers, he can easily give SBS a run for his money in a fight without weight boost.
You smoke that good shit today or what lmfao?
Ousen literally surrounded Shibashou with double the numbers and still lost. On flat land, Ousen loses to Shibashou 100 out of 100 times. It is literally an unwinnable battle for him. Ousen has no better way of combatting Shibashou than to completely encircle him with double the numbers, and Shibashou still won in that scenario.
As for Renpa, like I said. Renpa needed 8 days to push through the Mougou army. And even then, Renpa still hit them from the rear. Shibashou curbstomped the far superior Ousen army in 1 day with nothing but martial prowess. Good luck to Renpa even being able to beat Ousen on flat land in 8 days, let alone 1 lol.
Ousen literally surrounded Shibashou with double the numbers and still lost. On flat land, Ousen loses to Shibashou 100 out of 100 times. It is literally an unwinnable battle for him. Ousen has no better way of combatting Shibashou than to completely encircle him with double the numbers, and Shibashou still won in that scenario.
As for Renpa, like I said. Renpa needed 8 days to push through the Mougou army. And even then, Renpa still hit them from the rear. Shibashou curbstomped the far superior Ousen army in 1 day with nothing but martial prowess. Good luck to Renpa even being able to beat Ousen on flat land in 8 days, let alone 1 lol.
Why, sir, as it so happens.
If Ou Sen had the HSU and Gyoku Hou, it may never have even come to that.
Don't forget, Ri Boku's ENTIRE PLAN revolved around moving SHIN out of SBS' way.
It is a matter of canonical fact Ri Boku deemed it instrumental to remove Ri Shin, a man capable of slaying Hou Ken, from the battlefield before SBS could make his move.
I find it nigh impossible for the Seika Army to prevail in a head on collision with an Ou Sen Army with a functional A Kou and the power of the Gyoku Hou and the Hi Shin units at Ou Sen's disposal.
SBS's generals and elites would drop like flies before he could get anywhere near Ou Sen. That's just obvious - to me.
Again, you continue to frame SBS's success in the battle of Hango as purely the result of his own merit.
This is simply not factual.
If Ou Sen had the HSU and Gyoku Hou, it may never have even come to that.
Don't forget, Ri Boku's ENTIRE PLAN revolved around moving SHIN out of SBS' way.
It is a matter of canonical fact Ri Boku deemed it instrumental to remove Ri Shin, a man capable of slaying Hou Ken, from the battlefield before SBS could make his move.
I find it nigh impossible for the Seika Army to prevail in a head on collision with an Ou Sen Army with a functional A Kou and the power of the Gyoku Hou and the Hi Shin units at Ou Sen's disposal.
SBS's generals and elites would drop like flies before he could get anywhere near Ou Sen. That's just obvious - to me.
Again, you continue to frame SBS's success in the battle of Hango as purely the result of his own merit.
This is simply not factual.
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It’s like saying “I could totally beat you 1v1 bro. All I’d have to do is call my buddies and it would be over for you.”
My point is that Ousen and his commanders alone vs Shibashou and his commanders alone is absolutely unwinnable for Ousen on flat land. Give him Ouhon and Shin, and it’s not really Ousen vs Shibashou anymore is it? Lol
Never denied this.
It’s not unfathomable at all. Jyoukaryuu stalled bloodlusted Shin without even looking like he was showing his full ability. Shibashou debatably has 4 commanders who could kill Shin in an extreme diff fight. Debatably.
It’s not clear how Ouhon would fair against Kansaro and co. But I doubt Ouhon is on a whole new level from when Gyou’Un nearly shattered his entire rib cage.
Kyoukai is just bullshit. Keep her far away from SBS pls Hara.
No, I continue to frame Shibashou’s success against Ousen as his own merit. Because it was purely the power of Seika that folded Ousen. If Ousen could have called Shin or Ouhon or Yotanwa against Shibashou then who knows. But Ousen ain’t that guy on flat land. In a contest of strategy then Ousen is HIM but on flat land he is simply “low top tier” while Shibashou is in contention with Moubu and Kanmei.
Renpa on flat land would do much better than Ousen did against Shibashou, I shouldn’t be so mean to Renpa. But I fail to see how anything Renpa showed at Sanyou would allow him to overcome the power of Seika, even if we gave him Zhao native troops instead of foreign Wei troops. Shibashou was that dominant against Ousen.
Renpa’s only real hope against Shibashou is to slay him 1v1. Which is anyone’s guess but I am still of the belief that Shibashou literally might not even be human so I don’t see Renpa winning that at all.
My point is that Ousen and his commanders alone vs Shibashou and his commanders alone is absolutely unwinnable for Ousen on flat land. Give him Ouhon and Shin, and it’s not really Ousen vs Shibashou anymore is it? Lol
Never denied this.
It’s not unfathomable at all. Jyoukaryuu stalled bloodlusted Shin without even looking like he was showing his full ability. Shibashou debatably has 4 commanders who could kill Shin in an extreme diff fight. Debatably.
It’s not clear how Ouhon would fair against Kansaro and co. But I doubt Ouhon is on a whole new level from when Gyou’Un nearly shattered his entire rib cage.
Kyoukai is just bullshit. Keep her far away from SBS pls Hara.
No, I continue to frame Shibashou’s success against Ousen as his own merit. Because it was purely the power of Seika that folded Ousen. If Ousen could have called Shin or Ouhon or Yotanwa against Shibashou then who knows. But Ousen ain’t that guy on flat land. In a contest of strategy then Ousen is HIM but on flat land he is simply “low top tier” while Shibashou is in contention with Moubu and Kanmei.
Renpa on flat land would do much better than Ousen did against Shibashou, I shouldn’t be so mean to Renpa. But I fail to see how anything Renpa showed at Sanyou would allow him to overcome the power of Seika, even if we gave him Zhao native troops instead of foreign Wei troops. Shibashou was that dominant against Ousen.
Renpa’s only real hope against Shibashou is to slay him 1v1. Which is anyone’s guess but I am still of the belief that Shibashou literally might not even be human so I don’t see Renpa winning that at all.
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Since when do we judge generals solely on what they can achieve with the strength of their personal armies?
It's well understood the Seika Army is superior to the Ou Sen Army. They achieved a total victory in which SBS' generals bested Ou Sen's generals.
I've already clarified my meaning. Do you disagree with this or don't you?
That was not a bloodlusted Shin, that was an angry Shin pressed for time in a limited window to escape. He only briefly engaged Jyou Ka Ryuu 1v1. He was actually being jumped by JKR, his lieutenants and fodder while keeping his head on a swivel and being distracted by Mou Ten's near death.
Give me a break, Ou Hon would be the heavy favourite to win in a 2v1 against Ji Aga and Kan Saro. Don't play with that man's reputation.
Don't forget "Free Soldier" Kyou Rei.
You simply cannot divorce SBS' success against Ou Sen from the preparation Ri Boku put into and contributed to the battle.
It was Ri Boku that stood as bait, lured Ri Shin away and heavily contributed to the decomissioning of A Kou.
SBS may be the MVP of the battle but his success cannot be separated from Ri Boku. That's simply uncontestable.
When citing Sanyou, how much are you accounting for the fact Ren Pa was hamstrung by commanding foreign troops and requiring a figure head as a go-between? This played an undeniable factor in his decision to accept an end to hostilities.
How much are you accounting for the 4HK and Seika generals clashing? What outcomes do you foresee there?
It's well understood the Seika Army is superior to the Ou Sen Army. They achieved a total victory in which SBS' generals bested Ou Sen's generals.
I've already clarified my meaning. Do you disagree with this or don't you?
That was not a bloodlusted Shin, that was an angry Shin pressed for time in a limited window to escape. He only briefly engaged Jyou Ka Ryuu 1v1. He was actually being jumped by JKR, his lieutenants and fodder while keeping his head on a swivel and being distracted by Mou Ten's near death.
Give me a break, Ou Hon would be the heavy favourite to win in a 2v1 against Ji Aga and Kan Saro. Don't play with that man's reputation.
Don't forget "Free Soldier" Kyou Rei.
You simply cannot divorce SBS' success against Ou Sen from the preparation Ri Boku put into and contributed to the battle.
It was Ri Boku that stood as bait, lured Ri Shin away and heavily contributed to the decomissioning of A Kou.
SBS may be the MVP of the battle but his success cannot be separated from Ri Boku. That's simply uncontestable.
When citing Sanyou, how much are you accounting for the fact Ren Pa was hamstrung by commanding foreign troops and requiring a figure head as a go-between? This played an undeniable factor in his decision to accept an end to hostilities.
How much are you accounting for the 4HK and Seika generals clashing? What outcomes do you foresee there?
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Well. Otherwise we’d have to admit Mougou > Renpa because Mougou’s subordinates defeated Renpa for him.
Shin had just witnessed Gakurai, his one of his commanders for a decade, die right in front of him. Then Shin attacks the man who killed him, and Jyoukaryuu parried every single one of his blows without changing his facial expression.
^Dead Nakama
^”HOW DARE YOU!”
-Eyes bloodshot with rage
Yeah, Jyoukaryuu absolutely is relative to Gyou’Un and Bananji overall.
^Shin and Jyoukaryuu both had help
^Jyoukaryuu casually overpowers Shin (“its curtains.” Calm as hell, no great effort exerted).
Shin only made it out of this because Jin and Tan interfered and shot out Jyoukaryuu which wounded him.
I’m a bigger Ouhon fan than anyone else on this forum lmfao. I was an Ouhon fan back when everyone else hated him.
That said, there is no indication Ouhon can just easily kill guys of this caliber yet. He is overall around their level and not above them by that much.
I never said he would have won Hango by himself. Of course the most formidable adversary for Qin, and the biggest obstacle to unification, is of course Riboku who masterminded Hango.
I’m not downplaying Renpa because he lost Sanyou lol. Even Renpa’s loss, which minimized casualties for his side, demonstrated his enormous caliber as he surrendered long, long before defeat was apparent to his men.
I’m saying there’s no way Renpa matches Shibashou in terms of offensive prowess, because Renpa elected to use highly advanced tactics against Mougou for eight days straight instead of just plowing through him like Shibashou did to Ousen. Even if you give Renpa a native Zhao army like I said, there’s zero sign that his offensives would be anything close to what Shibashou showed.
Heavenly Kings extreme diff, but not in every circumstance. Shibashou’s guys are Heavenly King level in talent but lacking experience. So the Heavenly Kings probably take it more often than not depending on the scenario. Offensively only Kaishibou is on the Seika generals level.
Shin had just witnessed Gakurai, his one of his commanders for a decade, die right in front of him. Then Shin attacks the man who killed him, and Jyoukaryuu parried every single one of his blows without changing his facial expression.
^Dead Nakama
^”HOW DARE YOU!”
-Eyes bloodshot with rage
Yeah, Jyoukaryuu absolutely is relative to Gyou’Un and Bananji overall.
^Shin and Jyoukaryuu both had help
^Jyoukaryuu casually overpowers Shin (“its curtains.” Calm as hell, no great effort exerted).
Shin only made it out of this because Jin and Tan interfered and shot out Jyoukaryuu which wounded him.
I’m a bigger Ouhon fan than anyone else on this forum lmfao. I was an Ouhon fan back when everyone else hated him.
That said, there is no indication Ouhon can just easily kill guys of this caliber yet. He is overall around their level and not above them by that much.
I never said he would have won Hango by himself. Of course the most formidable adversary for Qin, and the biggest obstacle to unification, is of course Riboku who masterminded Hango.
I’m not downplaying Renpa because he lost Sanyou lol. Even Renpa’s loss, which minimized casualties for his side, demonstrated his enormous caliber as he surrendered long, long before defeat was apparent to his men.
I’m saying there’s no way Renpa matches Shibashou in terms of offensive prowess, because Renpa elected to use highly advanced tactics against Mougou for eight days straight instead of just plowing through him like Shibashou did to Ousen. Even if you give Renpa a native Zhao army like I said, there’s zero sign that his offensives would be anything close to what Shibashou showed.
Heavenly Kings extreme diff, but not in every circumstance. Shibashou’s guys are Heavenly King level in talent but lacking experience. So the Heavenly Kings probably take it more often than not depending on the scenario. Offensively only Kaishibou is on the Seika generals level.
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Don't you cunts dare let this kino thread die.
No, the context of the hypothetical and concepts we were discussing is very clear and distinct from the ones you're invoking.
I put it to you SBS could not have achieved victory without Ri Boku doing his part in blunting A Kou and sealing off Ou Sen's strongest armies. That is to say, SBS would have lost if everything was the same but it was just him and Ou Sen at CiC.
For clarity: do you or don't you agree with this? I've already asked you to answer this part and you skipped right past it.
It's a simple yes or no question. Either you think SBS would've won or you don't. Your reluctance to answer tells me you agree with me that SBS would not have won.
A bloodlusted Shin would have given JKR his undivided attention. We know that he didn't because he was still clear minded enough to worry about their fading escape window and Mou Ten's predicament.
And none of them would be a meaningful challenge for the man that slew Hou Ken and Ri Boku deemed too much of a threat to Shi Ba Shou.
This is not accurate.
The page you posted clearly shows Shin fending off multiple attackers at once, in the manner I described:
Shin engaged JKR 1v1 for only a handful of seconds. Ga Ro got pushed out almost immediately and didn't manage to cut back in until the Archer Bros started blasting. Shin was targeted and swarmed by multiple opps in between those things happening. And, again, while this was happening, Shin still had to worry about others and ecaping.
The fact JKR managed to engage him even briefly without losing his life was considered an impressive feat FOR JKR by the HSU soldiers, but this is nothing new. We've always seen weaker warriors clashing and engaging against decidedly much stronger warriors, and for much longer periods of time. Some examples beside the obvious ones involving Hou Ken below.
When Shin got some help from the Archer Bros, he damn nearly killed JKR with a single blow. He did this kind of damage on a MISS.
We should be so far past the point of even entertaining the odds of fighters of the JKR/BNJ/RBH calibre against Shin. None of them stand a chance against him. He's stronger, stronger, more talented and more skilled than all of them.
The only ones that can compete are the ones with a high skill gimmick or three like Buddha, and even he got low diffed once Shin found his counter.
You understand the Q3 already occupied more senior positions in their respective militaries than any of the Seika generals did even prior to the Battle of Hango, yeah?
The Q3 are leagues ahead of subs by now, let's not get that twisted.
5 years ago at Shukai, it was Gyou'un that was extremely lucky. He only stood a chance against Ou Hon with this Ten Spears, and he only survived his duel with Shin because the latter wasn't used to the weight of Ou Ki's glaive.
I'm not saying you said SBS won Hango by himself.
I'm asking you if you think he would've won under the circumstances I described.
I didn't say you were downplaying Ren Pa either, I asked if you were accounting for that factor in your assessment of his performance at Sanyou?
Going further from that, what do you you think you can extrapolate from Sanyou in favour of your argument in a scenario where Ren Pa will of course be commanding his own troops?
Ren Pa had little regard for Mou Gou until the very end of Sanyou. His interests were entirely in Ou Sen and Kan Ki - at the word of Ou Ki, remember?
If Ren Pa is facing SBS on an open field like in this hypothetical, why would he use the same tactics as Sanyou? Ren Pa is versatile, but he prefers a head on clash. That clearly plays in favour of his martial might and "body of steel" as he put it to Mou Gou.
In a direct clash, the 4HK should dominate SBS's generals. Do you not agree with that?
I think Kan Saro and perhaps Gaku Shou can be 4HK level as generals, but I don't see that level of aptitude from Ji Aga, Jyou Ka Ryuu or Fuu On.
Don't you cunts dare let this kino thread die.
No, the context of the hypothetical and concepts we were discussing is very clear and distinct from the ones you're invoking.
I put it to you SBS could not have achieved victory without Ri Boku doing his part in blunting A Kou and sealing off Ou Sen's strongest armies. That is to say, SBS would have lost if everything was the same but it was just him and Ou Sen at CiC.
For clarity: do you or don't you agree with this? I've already asked you to answer this part and you skipped right past it.
It's a simple yes or no question. Either you think SBS would've won or you don't. Your reluctance to answer tells me you agree with me that SBS would not have won.
A bloodlusted Shin would have given JKR his undivided attention. We know that he didn't because he was still clear minded enough to worry about their fading escape window and Mou Ten's predicament.
And none of them would be a meaningful challenge for the man that slew Hou Ken and Ri Boku deemed too much of a threat to Shi Ba Shou.
This is not accurate.
The page you posted clearly shows Shin fending off multiple attackers at once, in the manner I described:
Shin engaged JKR 1v1 for only a handful of seconds. Ga Ro got pushed out almost immediately and didn't manage to cut back in until the Archer Bros started blasting. Shin was targeted and swarmed by multiple opps in between those things happening. And, again, while this was happening, Shin still had to worry about others and ecaping.
The fact JKR managed to engage him even briefly without losing his life was considered an impressive feat FOR JKR by the HSU soldiers, but this is nothing new. We've always seen weaker warriors clashing and engaging against decidedly much stronger warriors, and for much longer periods of time. Some examples beside the obvious ones involving Hou Ken below.
Feego King/Danto VS BNJ
CGR VS Shin
A Kou VS BNJ (BEFORE Gyou'un gets involved)
Go Ba VS Ba Jio
Kei Sha VS Shin
And the most clear example of them all: Shin VS Gai Mou
When Shin got some help from the Archer Bros, he damn nearly killed JKR with a single blow. He did this kind of damage on a MISS.
We should be so far past the point of even entertaining the odds of fighters of the JKR/BNJ/RBH calibre against Shin. None of them stand a chance against him. He's stronger, stronger, more talented and more skilled than all of them.
The only ones that can compete are the ones with a high skill gimmick or three like Buddha, and even he got low diffed once Shin found his counter.
You understand the Q3 already occupied more senior positions in their respective militaries than any of the Seika generals did even prior to the Battle of Hango, yeah?
The Q3 are leagues ahead of subs by now, let's not get that twisted.
5 years ago at Shukai, it was Gyou'un that was extremely lucky. He only stood a chance against Ou Hon with this Ten Spears, and he only survived his duel with Shin because the latter wasn't used to the weight of Ou Ki's glaive.
I'm not saying you said SBS won Hango by himself.
I'm asking you if you think he would've won under the circumstances I described.
I didn't say you were downplaying Ren Pa either, I asked if you were accounting for that factor in your assessment of his performance at Sanyou?
Going further from that, what do you you think you can extrapolate from Sanyou in favour of your argument in a scenario where Ren Pa will of course be commanding his own troops?
Ren Pa had little regard for Mou Gou until the very end of Sanyou. His interests were entirely in Ou Sen and Kan Ki - at the word of Ou Ki, remember?
If Ren Pa is facing SBS on an open field like in this hypothetical, why would he use the same tactics as Sanyou? Ren Pa is versatile, but he prefers a head on clash. That clearly plays in favour of his martial might and "body of steel" as he put it to Mou Gou.
In a direct clash, the 4HK should dominate SBS's generals. Do you not agree with that?
I think Kan Saro and perhaps Gaku Shou can be 4HK level as generals, but I don't see that level of aptitude from Ji Aga, Jyou Ka Ryuu or Fuu On.
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Oh god, Ousen gets shitstomped. What exactly does Akou change? Lmfao
Akou would be lucky to extreme diff Kansaro or Gakushou in a straight up battle. There is no way he can hold off multiple of Shibashou’s subs and Shibashou himself. Absolutely not a chance in hell. At best Akou will stall out just one of Shibashou’s generals. Meanwhile Denrimi and Sou Ou/Shiryou can maybe hold off two more. That leaves Ousen alone to deal with Shibashou (and if we give Shibashou Jyoukaryuu it gets even worse). Which on a flat land scenario, yeah Shibashou is smoking Ousen like a joint as we saw at Hango. There is no hypothetical scenario where Ousen alone does better against Shibashou alone than he did at Hango on flat terrain.
Yes. 100 times out 100, Shibashou picks his teeth with Ousen’s bones on flat land.
He literally did, for several uninterrupted blows, and Jyoukaryuu swatted aside his blows with complete ease.
You must have been smoking when you read Riboku’s statement on Shin lmfao.
Riboku never said Shin would be too much of a threat for Shibashou or even his subs.
What Riboku said was Shin was a troublesome opponent who could impede Zhao’s overwhelming victory. Riboku absolutely never said Shin could ever best anyone from Seika.
I don’t know how many times we have to discuss Houken before yall realize he was an anomaly who Shin only killed because he lacked weight. A far healthier Shin failed to kill Gyou’Un for an afternoon and even collapsed after that fight while Gyou’Un rode off just fine. Shin absolutely is still at risk of being killed by a Heavenly King level warrior. Hell, Shin beat Gakuhaku Kou via weapon discrepancy and not martial prowess lmfao. In terms of martial prowess Gakuhaku Kou was completely superior to Shin in every aspect.
BRUH Jyoukaryuu had a fucking arrow through his arm lmfaooooooo
We should be far past the point where people gauge the Shin vs Jyoukaryuu matchup from an instant where Jyoukaryuu had an arrow shot through one of his arms but here we are lmfao. I don’t know why so many people lie about this character. I guess that’s easier then just accepting that Shin still hasn’t past Heavenly King level lol.
Because Qin was lacking in commanders compared to Zhao. And even then, the positions Shin and Ouhon held were no more significant than the positions held by Bananji and Shunsuiju. Hell, Bananji and Shunsuiju were given Yotanwa to hold off, while Shin was tasked with Enkan. lol
I must have dreamed Gakuhaku Kou low diffing Ouhon and Gakushou negging Mouten. There is literally no evidence that they have cleared that level yet.
Kanki defeated Kochou himself with a 3:1 disadvantage but Mouten and Shin join forces and Mouten still lost to Gakushou. But sure, the Q3 are convincingly above that level! lol
The Wei troops were said to be the hardiest in China at Sanyou. At best I expect Renpa to only be slightly more effective commanding troops from his own state. The direct elites fighting under Renpa and his HK were from Zhao anyway.
Since when? We have not once seen Renpa earn a victory from fighting Head on. Renpa defeated Gakujou by attacking him from the rear, attacked Mougou by attacking him from the rear, checked Ousen via baiting him into a scenario where Renpa could surround him, etc…
Where is this mythical scenario where Renpa has utilized a headon clash to win a battle?
The opposite. With the exception of Kaishibou, Shibashou’s generals would smoke the Heavenly Kings head on.
Genpou retreated from a young Ouhon and Shin. Tell me Genpou stands a chance with the likes of Kansaro or Jiaga charging at him.
Rinko is in legitimate one shot range for Shibashou’s guys, I don’t think we even need to discuss him.
Kyou En is tricky but he doesn’t exactly excel at brute force. His whole forte in war is speed and traditional tactics. With his archery he could potentially kill anyone but in terms of a headon clash he isn’t withstanding Shibashou’s generals unless he can snipe them.
Yeah, only Kaishibou can match the brute power of Shibashou’s subs.
Akou would be lucky to extreme diff Kansaro or Gakushou in a straight up battle. There is no way he can hold off multiple of Shibashou’s subs and Shibashou himself. Absolutely not a chance in hell. At best Akou will stall out just one of Shibashou’s generals. Meanwhile Denrimi and Sou Ou/Shiryou can maybe hold off two more. That leaves Ousen alone to deal with Shibashou (and if we give Shibashou Jyoukaryuu it gets even worse). Which on a flat land scenario, yeah Shibashou is smoking Ousen like a joint as we saw at Hango. There is no hypothetical scenario where Ousen alone does better against Shibashou alone than he did at Hango on flat terrain.
Yes. 100 times out 100, Shibashou picks his teeth with Ousen’s bones on flat land.
He literally did, for several uninterrupted blows, and Jyoukaryuu swatted aside his blows with complete ease.
You must have been smoking when you read Riboku’s statement on Shin lmfao.
Riboku never said Shin would be too much of a threat for Shibashou or even his subs.
What Riboku said was Shin was a troublesome opponent who could impede Zhao’s overwhelming victory. Riboku absolutely never said Shin could ever best anyone from Seika.
I don’t know how many times we have to discuss Houken before yall realize he was an anomaly who Shin only killed because he lacked weight. A far healthier Shin failed to kill Gyou’Un for an afternoon and even collapsed after that fight while Gyou’Un rode off just fine. Shin absolutely is still at risk of being killed by a Heavenly King level warrior. Hell, Shin beat Gakuhaku Kou via weapon discrepancy and not martial prowess lmfao. In terms of martial prowess Gakuhaku Kou was completely superior to Shin in every aspect.
BRUH Jyoukaryuu had a fucking arrow through his arm lmfaooooooo
We should be far past the point where people gauge the Shin vs Jyoukaryuu matchup from an instant where Jyoukaryuu had an arrow shot through one of his arms but here we are lmfao. I don’t know why so many people lie about this character. I guess that’s easier then just accepting that Shin still hasn’t past Heavenly King level lol.
Because Qin was lacking in commanders compared to Zhao. And even then, the positions Shin and Ouhon held were no more significant than the positions held by Bananji and Shunsuiju. Hell, Bananji and Shunsuiju were given Yotanwa to hold off, while Shin was tasked with Enkan. lol
I must have dreamed Gakuhaku Kou low diffing Ouhon and Gakushou negging Mouten. There is literally no evidence that they have cleared that level yet.
Kanki defeated Kochou himself with a 3:1 disadvantage but Mouten and Shin join forces and Mouten still lost to Gakushou. But sure, the Q3 are convincingly above that level! lol
The Wei troops were said to be the hardiest in China at Sanyou. At best I expect Renpa to only be slightly more effective commanding troops from his own state. The direct elites fighting under Renpa and his HK were from Zhao anyway.
Since when? We have not once seen Renpa earn a victory from fighting Head on. Renpa defeated Gakujou by attacking him from the rear, attacked Mougou by attacking him from the rear, checked Ousen via baiting him into a scenario where Renpa could surround him, etc…
Where is this mythical scenario where Renpa has utilized a headon clash to win a battle?
The opposite. With the exception of Kaishibou, Shibashou’s generals would smoke the Heavenly Kings head on.
Genpou retreated from a young Ouhon and Shin. Tell me Genpou stands a chance with the likes of Kansaro or Jiaga charging at him.
Rinko is in legitimate one shot range for Shibashou’s guys, I don’t think we even need to discuss him.
Kyou En is tricky but he doesn’t exactly excel at brute force. His whole forte in war is speed and traditional tactics. With his archery he could potentially kill anyone but in terms of a headon clash he isn’t withstanding Shibashou’s generals unless he can snipe them.
Yeah, only Kaishibou can match the brute power of Shibashou’s subs.
You’re too kind with Seika generals
it will be more an high diff than an extreme diff for the HK
Genpou alone is a massive threat for them
A war between Kaishibou Genpou Kyou En and Rinko vs Kansaro Jiaga GKS and JKR isn’t going extreme diff for me
What did I just read ? Rinko lie and slander is not acceptable by any means
Kaishibou would out brute anyone on Seika side (obviously not the great man himself)
it will be more an high diff than an extreme diff for the HK
Genpou alone is a massive threat for them
A war between Kaishibou Genpou Kyou En and Rinko vs Kansaro Jiaga GKS and JKR isn’t going extreme diff for me
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What did I just read ? Rinko lie and slander is not acceptable by any means
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Kaishibou would out brute anyone on Seika side (obviously not the great man himself)
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@Rumble In general, this RSJ/Renpa army has so much brainpower (and even versatility) with RSJ, Renpa, Genpou and Kyouen especially, that it's just really hard for me to see it bested. Quite a few on this team are really dangerous even when operating on their own.
Doubtful that Riboku is so damn good that he can engineer a situation Rinshoujo cannot respond to, when he's got all that to work with.
Doubtful that Riboku is so damn good that he can engineer a situation Rinshoujo cannot respond to, when he's got all that to work with.