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How Strong is Loki?


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In the end feats are important for me, Statements been said and only implied that Kaido was be said to be the strongest.

In fact we never hear a statement with said "Kaido is the strongest" but was said to be the strongest. Killer only repeat that line, Kid never called him the strongest.

And that is the point, Killer never saw someone like Kaido, since they never saw Shanks in first place. Oda tricked the community knowing it would hype people with Statements like"said to be the strongest". But he doesn't needed to confirm it, since in his mind he already have character in back up who gonna surpass Kaido.

We saw only two top tiers fight with Kaido, one vs Oden and the another vs Luffy.

And Luffy surpassed Kaido, G5 could toe toe against Kaido, yes he still Dominated him, but he couldn't knock out G5 anymore, he used all his strongest attacks and failed to put down Luffy. That is the point, G5 is above Kaido, since G5 can knock out Kaido(seen) but Kaido can't knock out G5.

Everyone can try to stall G5, but if someone can knock out G5, he show to have stronger AP than Kaido.

And that is the point.
Current Luffy is high diffing his EoW Luffy Version. We saw Luffy can now use G5 without transformig into a old men if he use it for short time. We saw him using now G4 far better.

Law can now use his awakening very casual, got haki boost after his battle against Big Mom.

Means they get stronger.
Luffy just needed two weeks and a extrem battle against Kaido, to jump from high high tier(Kata lvl) to mid/high top tier lvl(Kaido).

And you know how much time pass after his battle against Kaido was now one month(even longer) ago. Means he had 4-6 weeks to even grow more stronger. And before you coming up with stuff like he didn't had hard battles, he had a full battle day against Lucci,Kizaru and Gorosei.

Current Luffy got stronger.
He can easily high diff his EoW Luffy.
He is Kaido Level.
And if Loki can fight current Luffy equal, he is equal to Kaido.

Shonen manga never introduce one of the strongest characters few arcs early. They always show up one/two arcs before the final villian of the manga shows up.
Legendary @Xione sentence on Kaido: "Basically an entry level top tier to the realm of emperors and admirals."
 
people Kaido hypes extremely over himself : Roger and sometimes WB
Those 2 happens to also have the highest bounty , only ones over Kaido's
Those 2 also were WSP, King of the seas in their Eras

But somehow Kaido with the 3rd highest bounty, WSP title, WSC status, King of 1v1,
Means nothing cause SHANKS "was featured among the few who can fight kaido" argument or "defeated Kidd offguard"

So why are you waiting for Shanks updated bounty then if bounties for yonko isn't portrayal?
Warlord fans pretended bounties dont matter until warlords got inflated bounty over YCs (who aren't even captains)

Until Shanks gets WSP, WSM titles
He's not to be grouped with Xebec, Kaido, Roger and WB
He's inferior no matter how far he can push them in a fight
 
By @JoNdule logic arguing big mom > shanks by bounty.
Katakuri has less bounty than queen. By his logic, queen > katakuri. But jondule think katakuri > queen.
Jo thinks Kid got jumped by Shanks (apparently being too fast for someone is jumping) and will make every excuse in the book like his one shot was assisted by an explosion that did literally nothing to Kid's ship or the rest of his crew lol.

Yet Big Mom constantly attacked a defenseless Kid being crutched by Hawkins and still couldnt knock him out.

You arent talking to a normal person here.
 
and if you could read, you'd know why i said that lol.

You do agree kaido is weaker than Roger WB and Rocks without any doubt right?
And you do understand that lolden almost beat kaido and only lost because of the old hag trickery right?

So 4/5 are > kaido.

Why the fuck would shanks be the odd man out. Oda put him there for a reason. It's so easy to understand that even a child could understand this. But yall refuse to acknowledge this cause you cling to the retarded agenda.



What do kaido respect? Strength. It's pretty clear that shanks at the VERY LEAST has enough strength to draw against kaido, or else he wouldn't respect him lol. And putting him with 3 characters > kaido and one who almost killed kaido is called PORTRAYAL. Maybe look it up in the dictionary or something :kayneshrug:


Kaido beat lolden because of a cheapshot lmfao. And he's still in ptsd over lolden lol.


Lmao king the kaido glazer is a factual powersclarer now?
Their own opinions on their strength is hardly factual.

Kaido respects individual strength. So for kaido to put Shanks so high means shanks and shanks alone clashed with kaido before mf lol. If it was shanks and the whole rhp jumping kaido, why would he respect shanks and his strength?




Kaido is a finished villain. Many more characters are gonna eclipse him in strength lol. Yall will be crying for all that. Can't wait to see yall try to make excuses for kaido :ihaha:
Still mad Teach doesn't even think Shanks can stop him from being PK

While he knew Kaido and BM were the ones holding everything from them

Teach :thankfully Kaido and BM are gone, NOW THE RACE TO PK IS OPEN FOR ALL

Everyone is happening kaido is gone cause he was the true beast not your Shanks
 
people Kaido hypes extremely over himself : Roger and sometimes WB
Those 2 happens to also have the highest bounty , only ones over Kaido's
Those 2 also were WSP, King of the seas in their Eras

But somehow Kaido with the 3rd highest bounty, WSP title, WSC status, King of 1v1,
Means nothing cause SHANKS "was featured among the few who can fight kaido" argument or "defeated Kidd offguard"

So why are you waiting for Shanks updated bounty then if bounties for yonko isn't portrayal?
Warlord fans pretended bounties dont matter until warlords got inflated bounty over YCs (who aren't even captains)

Until Shanks gets WSP, WSM titles
He's not to be grouped with Xebec, Kaido, Roger and WB
He's inferior no matter how far he can push them in a fight
Oda recently said in an interview, he considers Shanks the Prince of the Pirates
 
Jo thinks Kid got jumped by Shanks (apparently being too fast for someone is jumping) and will make every excuse in the book like his one shot was assisted by an explosion that did literally nothing to Kid's ship or the rest of his crew lol.

Yet Big Mom constantly attacked a defenseless Kid being crutched by Hawkins and still couldnt knock him out.

You arent talking to a normal person here.
Kaido can one-shot kuri Luffy but didn't one-shot kinnemon
Is Kinnemon is above G4 Luffy?
Does that mean kaido became weaker ?
No it means one has plot armour and can't lose easily vs one whose plot armour was off and gotta lose

But sincse you're a shanks fan, you think the kid /Law who fought Shanks and Teach have the same plot armour favouring them to tank whatever as they did during Wano where they gotta win at any cost

BM even left them after rheir crews begged for their lives
The same BM who isnt like that but that time she turned her back

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Cry more

Shanks > Kaido and meme :endthis:
Sources : Shanks fans

Manga, sbs , novels: Kaido > Shanks
Only Roger and WB have better portrayal than Kaido

Go erase everything Oda said about kaido and make it for Shanks
 
Kaido can one-shot kuri Luffy but didn't one-shot kinnemon
Is Kinnemon is above G4 Luffy?
Does that mean kaido became weaker ?
No it means one has plot armour and can't lose easily vs one whose plot armour was off and gotta lose

But sknge you're a shanks fan, you think the kid /Law who fought Shanks and Teach have the same plot armour favouring them to tank whatever as they did during Wano where they gotta win at any cost
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Sources : Shanks fans

Manga, sbs , novels: Kaido > Shanks
Only Roger and WB have better portrayal than Kaido

Go erase everything Oda said about kaido and make it for Shanks
Cry. Shanks > Big Mom scrub
 
You don't even know what you're saying

yonko bounties are theirs
They're captains unlike YCs
I don't rate YCs based in bounties unless they're from the same crew
Oda even told us on sbs that YCs bounties depend on their captains influence, WG don't know how to properly give them bounties worth their strength

WHENEVER I RANK YCS, I use other factors like CoC, adhaki, awakening
Even among top tiers, my main arguments is WSP, WSC/WSM, PK, Yonko/FA titles , and CoC/special abilties
Bounty is used when the two guys have no WS/PK title but are both captains from the same status *yonko or warlord or supernova
Lol this is even dumb .
Cracker don't have coc and awaking yet you argue cracker > doflimingo. Do you think doflimingo > king because king don't have coc ?

Shanks beat big mom in low diff at worst day ever . Show me big mom one shot kidd like shanks does or be quiet like fool.
 
In the end feats are important for me, Statements been said and only implied that Kaido was be said to be the strongest.
Portrayal is far more important than feats, feats are subjective, statements, especially ones from the author himself, aren't.
In fact we never hear a statement with said "Kaido is the strongest" but was said to be the strongest. Killer only repeat that line, Kid never called him the strongest.
No, Killer doesn't say "Our enemy is said to be the strongest", he says "Our enemy is the strongest pirate in the world", and Kidd concurs with him.

And it isn't the only clear statement of Kaido being called the strongest without the "known as"




And that is the point, Killer never saw someone like Kaido, since they never saw Shanks in first place. Oda tricked the community knowing it would hype people with Statements like"said to be the strongest". But he doesn't needed to confirm it, since in his mind he already have character in back up who gonna surpass Kaido.
That's just your headcanon, Killer states Kaido is the strongest means he is, especially when backed up by the mountain of other evidence.
We saw only two top tiers fight with Kaido, one vs Oden and the another vs Luffy.
So? We know he fought Shanks on the way to Marineford, and still Kaido is considered and considers himself to be the strongest.
And Luffy surpassed Kaido, G5 could toe toe against Kaido, yes he still Dominated him, but he couldn't knock out G5 anymore, he used all his strongest attacks and failed to put down Luffy. That is the point, G5 is above Kaido, since G5 can knock out Kaido(seen) but Kaido can't knock out G5.
No Luffy didn't surpass him, he beat him in a battle of attrition after Kaido went through several gauntlets.
Everyone can try to stall G5, but if someone can knock out G5, he show to have stronger AP than Kaido.
Which again, is just one stat, and nobody has knocked out G5 in one hit, nor are they ever going to.
And that is the point.
Current Luffy is high diffing his EoW Luffy Version. We saw Luffy can now use G5 without transformig into a old men if he use it for short time. We saw him using now G4 far better.
Lmfao no, current Luffy at best extreme diffs Wano Luffy, the only difference is that Luffy can use partial G4, which doesn't matter at all in a battle of G5 vs G5.

We already saw Luffy leave G5 without turning into an old man in Wano.
Law can now use his awakening very casual, got haki boost after his battle against Big Mom.
Law isn't Luffy.
Means they get stronger.
Luffy just needed two weeks and a extrem battle against Kaido, to jump from high high tier(Kata lvl) to mid/high top tier lvl(Kaido).
Law isn't Luffy.
And you know how much time pass after his battle against Kaido was now one month(even longer) ago. Means he had 4-6 weeks to even grow more stronger. And before you coming up with stuff like he didn't had hard battles, he had a full battle day against Lucci,Kizaru and Gorosei.
So just more endless headcanon, I go by what we're told and shown, not your fanfics.
Current Luffy got stronger.
He can easily high diff his EoW Luffy.
He is Kaido Level.
And if Loki can fight current Luffy equal, he is equal to Kaido.
Extreme diffs his Wano version at best, and still he's beneath Kaido.
Shonen manga never introduce one of the strongest characters few arcs early. They always show up one/two arcs before the final villian of the manga shows up.
Kaido is called the strongest many, many times bro, your headcanon Shonen trope arguments aren't removing that:suresure:
 
Cry. Shanks > Big Mom scrub
When Shanks fight Luffy/or anyone allied o him and they gotta win at any cost
Then you can show me if Shanks would perform the same stuff

You woll start crying plot armour when his attacks get tanked easily

That's what happens with villains that face Luffy and alliance, their attacks will not be ending anyone easily as time passes if they gotta lose
 

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Yes, Quinn fought Chopper for about 20 minutes, that's how long his improved monster form lasts. Then Sanji came and started fighting with Quinn. What were Marco and King doing at that time that the phoenix ended up lying beaten at King's feet with not a single wound on it? It is unclear, we need to think hard about this issue:quest:
So i guess we consider that time Queen was dealing with Chopper/Sanji, but ignore Marco clashing against Big Mom and soloing both King and Queen for a long time and say it was all King?
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