Questions & Mysteries Why is Zoro much more relevant than Luffy to the fandom?

Gtfoh dont talk about brain cells when you dont have any.
now you start insulting me? and you wonder why everyone hates you
Theres more people than zoro who want revenge on orochi.
zoro is the main character tho as we saw in dressrosa oda puts main characters first when he made law leave the the fight against doffy when he had every reason to be more involved in the fight
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
now you start insulting me? and you wonder why everyone hates you

zoro is the main character tho as we saw in dressrosa oda puts main characters first when he made law leave the the fight against doffy when he had every reason to be more involved in the fight
Oh boo hoo
Lmfao kid sort your life out instead of using these childish lines.
Yes and zoro will be put first. Against kaido
 
zoro is the main character tho as we saw in dressrosa oda puts main characters first when he made law leave the the fight against doffy when he had every reason to be more involved in the figh
But Zoro agreed to Hiyori killing Orochi though because he understands the personal reason she has.

I mean sure I don't mind Zoro killing Orochi but doesn't it make more sense for Zoro to restrain Orochi, coat Enma with Haki and give it to Hiyori to slice Orochi?
 
Oh boo hoo
Lmfao kid sort your life out instead of using these childish lines.
Yes and zoro will be put first. Against kaido
what childish lines? i say something you get butthurt and starts insulting me like every other post

zoro isn’t gonna fight kaido that’s for luffy who is stronger than zoro imagine saying luffy is gonna fight mihawk not zoro that’s sounds dumb right? that’s how you sound every time you open mouth say dumb shit like zoro is going to fight shanks or kaido
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
what childish lines? i say something you get butthurt and starts insulting me like every other post

zoro isn’t gonna fight kaido that’s for luffy who is stronger than zoro imagine saying luffy is gonna fight mihawk not zoro that’s sounds dumb right? that’s how you sound every time you open mouth say dumb shit like zoro is going to fight shanks or kaido
Dry your eyes kid. Your clown make up is getting messed up.
 
For you.....yes.

The difference between Zoro and Sanji fans are. We hate on Zoro to piss yall off. Whilst you guys genuinely hate Sanji....who is a fictional character.

Thats whats truly sad in my eyes.
I don't hate Sanji, I just think he is a shitty character. I can asses a fictional character right, its not like I have personal grudge against Sanji, I just read him and the more I analyze his character, the shittier he comes off as. I used to like Sanji on surface level, didn't care much but as I became more hard core fan and started paying attention to things I started to think he is a bad character. You know my reasons for it, weren't you supposed to give me your perspective on why he is not a bad character on VC? Still didn't do that..

How is that more sadder than having actual grudge against people trying to piss them off over fictional character? Like you know one can have different opinion on a character right? You don't think every character that ever existed is great character right?
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
Everyone in this thread ought to go outside for 30 minutes today. Walk around, go for a drive, whatever you gotta do, just get out of your house and away from the computer for at least half an hour. I promise you’ll feel way better than you do right now.
I did well skimming through posts then lol

Expecially when these kinds of debates should be healthier than this
 
So you sad low lifes hate on a character to piss off random people you dont know on the internet. Lmfao
Yup

I don't hate Sanji, I just think he is a shitty character. I can asses a fictional character right, its not like I have personal grudge against Sanji, I just read him and the more I analyze his character, the shittier he comes off as. I used to like Sanji on surface level, didn't care much but as I became more hard core fan and started paying attention to things I started to think he is a bad character. You know my reasons for it, weren't you supposed to give me your perspective on why he is not a bad character on VC? Still didn't do that..

How is that more sadder than having actual grudge against people trying to piss them off over fictional character? Like you know one can have different opinion on a character right? You don't think every character that ever existed is great character right?
You act as if Zoro is any better. Face it....most characters in post timeskip are shitty and nothing like their former selves.


At this point we only like characters due to their aesthetics and powers. Theirs nothing captivating about neither Zoro or Sanji's personalities anymore.
 
You act as if Zoro is any better. Face it....most characters in post timeskip are shitty and nothing like their former selves.


At this point we only like characters due to their aesthetics and powers. Theirs nothing captivating about neither Zoro or Sanji's personalities anymore.
No I am telling you Sanji is a shitty character overall
That includes what he became during his training
His life's goal being wanting to see women in shower against their permission
His contradicting attitude towards hitting women that could have cost Nico Robin her life
Boring ass over used gags such as **** literally dying seeing Mermaid tits. Like God damn, how do you even get a boner looking at mermaid, she doesn't even have a vagina, let alone die from that boner

Idk it seems like a struggle liking Sanji.
With Zoro at least you know Oda is not gonna embarrass him as a character like that even post TS and you can expect him to keep getting cooler and cooler photo moments like his deal against Monet, Pica etc. That and enough good will from Pre TS is enough to keep going as a Zoro fan but with Sanji, its like you gotta struggle your way through liking him.

I can't struggle to like a fictional character lol
 
No I am telling you Sanji is a shitty character overall
That includes what he became during his training
His life's goal being wanting to see women in shower against their permission
His contradicting attitude towards hitting women that could have cost Nico Robin her life
Boring ass over used gags such as **** literally dying seeing Mermaid tits. Like God damn, how do you even get a boner looking at mermaid, she doesn't even have a vagina, let alone die from that boner

Idk it seems like a struggle liking Sanji.
With Zoro at least you know Oda is not gonna embarrass him as a character like that even post TS and you can expect him to keep getting cooler and cooler photo moments like his deal against Monet, Pica etc. That and enough good will from Pre TS is enough to keep going as a Zoro fan but with Sanji, its like you gotta struggle your way through liking him.

I can't struggle to like a fictional character lol
Oh really ? So its not like he wasnt embrassed against 3 SNs. A fodder fishman crew, a dwarf and a fucking rabbit girl. His character hasnt shown the pride he used to have pre timeskip, nor has he shown his crazy power from pre timeskip....now just fainting to a stab and huffing and puffing against gifters. Hes useless gag that got him lost and that fact that he always abandons his crew in dire times.

His uselessness was commented on by Luffy himself. Like cmon, current Sanji maybe bad....but atpeast his fans arent in denial.

But oh i forgot you still have Toei to give you fake feats.....so yes you can rejoice.
 
Oh really ? So its not like he wasnt embrassed against 3 SNs. A fodder fishman crew, a dwarf and a fucking rabbit girl. His character hasnt shown the pride he used to have pre timeskip, nor has he shown his crazy power from pre timeskip....now just fainting to a stab and huffing and puffing against gifters. Hes useless gag that got him lost and that fact that he always abandons his crew in dire times.

His uselessness was commented on by Luffy himself. Like cmon, current Sanji maybe bad....but atpeast his fans arent in denial.

But oh i forgot you still have Toei to give you fake feats.....so yes you can rejoice.
That's not getting embarrassed, looking vulnerable is a different story, if Sanji only every got his leg broken by Vergo it would be a different story.
Those are Zoro's anti feat, though Zoro is heavily protected even in those feats and generally ends up looking better when its all said and he won his fight against Killer in one shot, Killed Hawkins 3 times and observers of that fight Tsuru called him winner, that Apoo point is a moot entirely cuz while Zoro completely shurgged off that sound wave (Crazy durability feat), Luffy got knocked out. And huffing and puffing against like 500 gifters of emperors and not loosing? How is that even an anti feat? Carrot caught Zoro by surprise and still failed to land a hit.

But regardless of it all, it doesn't fuck up Zoro as a character, maybe passing out to Killer but as anime reaffirmed and Oda showed Zoro was starving when he passed out, it was prolly chain reaction of stab, hunger, poison etc.

But I am not even talking about feats, Sanji's character ever since Pre TS has devolved into worse and worse, as Sanji gets fleshed out more, he becomes worse. While as Zoro's character got fleshed out pre TS, it got better, he did one noble thing after another.
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Zoro is a beast with crazy ambition and charisma. Zoro using his final move against his opponents are among the manliest moments.
Isn't this like bar none the most alpha thing in One piece history?
 
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That's not getting embarrassed, looking vulnerable is a different story, if Sanji only every got his leg broken by Vergo it would be a different story.
Those are Zoro's anti feat, though Zoro is heavily protected even in those feats and generally ends up looking better when its all said and he won his fight against Killer in one shot, Killed Hawkins 3 times and observers of that fight Tsuru called him winner, that Apoo point is a moot entirely cuz while Zoro completely shurgged off that sound wave (Crazy durability feat), Luffy got knocked out. And huffing and puffing against like 500 gifters of emperors and not loosing? How is that even an anti feat? Carrot caught Zoro by surprise and still failed to land a hit.

But regardless of it all, it doesn't fuck up Zoro as a character, maybe passing out to Killer but as anime reaffirmed and Oda showed Zoro was starving when he passed out, it was prolly chain reaction of stab, hunger, poison etc.

But I am not even talking about feats, Sanji's character ever since Pre TS has devolved into worse and worse, as Sanji gets fleshed out more, he becomes worse. While as Zoro's character got fleshed out pre TS, it got better, he did one noble thing after another.
Yet PTs he does nothing important other than defeat the villains. At the very least Sanji does things that affect the plot...

- Saving Kinemon
- Deciding to help save Minks
- Baking the cake to stop BM from destroying everyone
 
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