Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Gaslighting attempt 1753975935305 failed! Press alt+f4 to try again.

That's not what gaslighting is, but good try lol

I'm pointing your discourse mate. Own your BS. Refusing - like you do - to teach children about the importance of being aware of their body and refusing others to touch it and later teaching them that sexuality must be acted in a safe way....

.. is perfectly in line with the interests of Pedos.

You are refusing the possibility for kids to be protected from those people and be protected later from having dangerous sexual behaviors such as non protected sex or the absence of contraception.

 

[Mathias]

Did you guys know that you can publicly call far right wing leader Marine LePen a fascist bitch in France and the court will say « hmmm that’s free speech, that’s okay ».

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-d...pen-deboutee-contre-nicolas-bedos_852583.html

fuck you lets throw hands right now mothafucka haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Bitch sit down. Be humble.

And let it all out in a few days. Imagine being banned during election time.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Bitch sit down. Be humble.

And let it all out in a few days. Imagine being banned during election time.

I don’t think nameless is a big Trump fan in the first place.

What I personally want to see is ravages inevitable meltdown if Kamala wins. It’ll be one for the ages.

 

[Logiko]

far right wing leader Marine LePen a fascist bitch in France

 

[NAMELESS]

I don’t think nameless is a big Trump fan in the first place.

What I personally want to see is ravages inevitable meltdown if Kamala wins. It’ll be one for the ages.

You know...you could just ask me about it...

 

[Indigo]

5. In absolute, Parent - especially the most conservative one - should have nothing to descisions related to transitions, it's not their body and mind which is suffering. It's their children's

by this logic

parents should have no decisions at all regarding their children

it's their body, mind and life after all, let them figure it all out lmao

 

[Mathias]

Very rare moment of Logiko agreeing to call a women a bitch


Now—- what about all the women who vote for her

In France there is no gender gap in votes. Women vote as much far right as men

 

[Etzel Andergast]

https://apnews.com/article/new-york-pet-squirrel-seized-peanut-pnut-e6318ee7e74492465bb6b0fc22f085ad

 

[Logiko]

by this logic

parents should have no decisions at all regarding their children

it's their body, mind and life after all, let them figure it all out lmao

I think there is a limit.

Imagine having a broken arm as a kid and your father refuses to treat you because he thinks suffering will makes you more of a man ?

This is exactly what happens to Trans people. Their disphoria break them and some parents refuses to do anything.

Very rare moment of Logiko agreeing to call a women a bitch

I only drank my tea

 

[Indigo]

I think there is a limit.

Imagine having a broken arm as a kid and your father refuses to treat you because he thinks suffering will makes you more of a man ?

This is exactly what happens to Trans people. Their disphoria break them and some parents refuses to do anything.

This is a bad comparison imo

because the solution for gender dysphoria would be hormone treatment and surgery, which could have permanent effects on the body going forward, you can never completely go back to how things were before this treatment, and it's a sad reality of quite a few trans people that wish to detransition later in life, they are forever changed by this process

the broken arm thing also doesn't make any sense, because nobody wants to go back to that state before fixing the arm

while there are cases of trans people wanting to go back to their state before the gender dysphoria treatment, around 8% based on research, a small number to be completely honest

it's a really delicate situation to be honest

obviously i hope the kids suffering from this to get the help they need, but it's fucked up making this type of decision as a kid and regretting later, it could be life crushing

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

This is a bad comparison imo

because the solution for gender dysphoria would be hormone treatment and surgery, which could have permanent effects on the body going forward, you can never completely go back to how things were before this treatment, and it's a sad reality of quite a few trans people that wish to detransition later in life, they are forever changed by this process

the broken arm thing also doesn't make any sense, because nobody wants to go back to that state before fixing the arm

while there are cases of trans people wanting to go back to their state before the gender dysphoria treatment, around 8% based on research, a small number to be completely honest

it's a really delicate situation to be honest

obviously i hope the kids suffering from this to get the help they need, but it's fucked up making this type of decision as a kid and regretting later, it could be life crushing

Of course not, 7 years old kids know full well what they want.

 

[Logiko]

This is a bad comparison imo

because the solution for gender dysphoria would be hormone treatment and surgery, which could have permanent effects on the body going forward, you can never completely go back to how things were before this treatment, and it's a sad reality of quite a few trans people that wish to detransition later in life, they are forever changed by this process

No, this is exactly the right comparison and you are once again trying to avoid thinking about it fallaciously.

And yes, just like a broken arm, gender disphoria can be healed through a treatment. A treatment called gender affirming care in most case, hormone therapy in some cases and in very rare cases gender affirming surgery.

This is not an option, this is a F. NECESSITY. Weither or not it has permanent effect on the body is a nonsensical argument since the VAST majority of Trans people NEED those therapy. (and do not even try to give me the argument of those who detransition or you will have to face a WALL of studies showing you just how nonsensical and irrational this argumentation is)

because nobody wants to go back to that state before fixing the arm

Just like the majority of trans people.

while there are cases of trans people wanting to go back to their state before the gender dysphoria treatment, around 8% based on research, a small number to be completely honest

Yeah. And since you like datas. here is a study explaining the reason for the detransition to show to you that most of the time, thedetransition is to transphobia itself on people who simply can't take it. Especially from PARENTS.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/

In other words, the solution for those people is LESS transphobia and LESS people like you who try to prevent Trans people from accessing to BASIC care in relationships to their BASIC needs. As for those people, the solution is not easy but it's clearly NOT the prevention of the accessing to gender affirming care for Trans people.

Of course not, 7 years old kids know full well what they want.

When you have a broken arm at 7, do you think you "really" know it ?

Are you incapable of understanding this basic data that even 12 years old would be able to understand ?

 

[Indigo]

No, this is exactly the right comparison and you are once again trying to avoid thinking about it fallaciously.

And yes, just like a broken arm, gender disphoria can be healed through a treatment. A treatment called gender affirming care in most case, hormone therapy in some cases and in very rare cases gender affirming surgery.

This is not an option, this is a F. NECESSITY. Weither or not it has permanent effect on the body is a nonsensical argument since the VAST majority of Trans people NEED those therapy. (and do not even try to give me the argument of those who detransition or you will have to face a WALL of studies showing you just how nonsensical and irrational this argumentation is)


Just like the majority of trans people.



Yeah. And since you like datas. here is a study explaining the reason for the detransition to show to you that most of the time, thedetransition is to transphobia itself on people who simply can't take it. Especially from PARENTS.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/

In other words, the solution for those people is LESS transphobia and LESS people like you who try to prevent Trans people from accessing to BASIC care in relationships to their BASIC needs. As for those people, the solution is not easy but it's clearly NOT the prevention of the accessing to gender affirming care for Trans people.


When you have a broken arm at 7, do you think you "really" know it ?

Are you incapable of understanding this basic data that even 12 years old would be able to understand ?

why are you always so antagonistic?

 

[AL sama]

I think kids should have voting rights too

 

[Logiko]

why are you always so antagonistic?

Because this is an important subject that involves the lives of thousands and thousands of people. And you are on the side that tries to explain that those people should not be able to have access to basic care according to their needs.

To give you a metaphor that you can understand, your rethoric (but you are not the only one here) appear to me as if "I" was telling you that people under depression or suicidal should NOT have access to proper care and doctors.

Do you understand now why, to me, your rethoric is scandaleous ?

I'm antagonistic because I'm OUTRAGED by the inhumanity depicted on this thread. This rethoric of anti-gender affirming care is not only wrong, it's harmfull

 

[Indigo]

And you are on the side that tries to explain that those people should not be able to have access to basic care according to their needs.

when did i say this?

i literally said i hope trans people get the treatment they need

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I think kids should have voting rights too

Only in blue states, because in red states they are indoctrinated.

 

[Logiko]

when did i say this?

i literally said i hope trans people get the treatment they need

Then why the F are you trying to argue with me about kids having access to gender affirming care when I'm literally trying to debunk someone who is making fallacious argument about it ?

Trans people are kids too

 

[Indigo]

Then why the F are you trying to argue with me about kids having access to gender affirming care when I'm literally trying to debunk someone who is making fallacious argument about it ?

Trans people are kids too

i was questioning your logic of the parents should have no say at all, to me that makes no sense

 

[Logiko]

i was questioning your logic of the parents should have no say at all, to me that makes no sense

In the matter. Not in every aspect of the kids life.

There are ZERO reasons for parents to have a say in the descision of a basic need for a kid. Zero.

They can give informations, details, context. But say "yes" or "no" should not be their prerogative on the matter. We are talking - again - about a BASIC need. Like drinking or eating. We are not talking about giving a driving license here.