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I think there is a limit.
Imagine having a broken arm as a kid and your father refuses to treat you because he thinks suffering will makes you more of a man ?
This is exactly what happens to Trans people. Their disphoria break them and some parents refuses to do anything.
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Imagine having a broken arm as a kid and your father refuses to treat you because he thinks suffering will makes you more of a man ?
This is exactly what happens to Trans people. Their disphoria break them and some parents refuses to do anything.
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This is a bad comparison imo
because the solution for gender dysphoria would be hormone treatment and surgery, which could have permanent effects on the body going forward, you can never completely go back to how things were before this treatment, and it's a sad reality of quite a few trans people that wish to detransition later in life, they are forever changed by this process
the broken arm thing also doesn't make any sense, because nobody wants to go back to that state before fixing the arm
while there are cases of trans people wanting to go back to their state before the gender dysphoria treatment, around 8% based on research, a small number to be completely honest
it's a really delicate situation to be honest
obviously i hope the kids suffering from this to get the help they need, but it's fucked up making this type of decision as a kid and regretting later, it could be life crushing
because the solution for gender dysphoria would be hormone treatment and surgery, which could have permanent effects on the body going forward, you can never completely go back to how things were before this treatment, and it's a sad reality of quite a few trans people that wish to detransition later in life, they are forever changed by this process
the broken arm thing also doesn't make any sense, because nobody wants to go back to that state before fixing the arm
while there are cases of trans people wanting to go back to their state before the gender dysphoria treatment, around 8% based on research, a small number to be completely honest
it's a really delicate situation to be honest
obviously i hope the kids suffering from this to get the help they need, but it's fucked up making this type of decision as a kid and regretting later, it could be life crushing
No, this is exactly the right comparison and you are once again trying to avoid thinking about it fallaciously.
And yes, just like a broken arm, gender disphoria can be healed through a treatment. A treatment called gender affirming care in most case, hormone therapy in some cases and in very rare cases gender affirming surgery.
This is not an option, this is a F. NECESSITY. Weither or not it has permanent effect on the body is a nonsensical argument since the VAST majority of Trans people NEED those therapy. (and do not even try to give me the argument of those who detransition or you will have to face a WALL of studies showing you just how nonsensical and irrational this argumentation is)
Just like the majority of trans people.
Yeah. And since you like datas. here is a study explaining the reason for the detransition to show to you that most of the time, thedetransition is to transphobia itself on people who simply can't take it. Especially from PARENTS.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/
In other words, the solution for those people is LESS transphobia and LESS people like you who try to prevent Trans people from accessing to BASIC care in relationships to their BASIC needs. As for those people, the solution is not easy but it's clearly NOT the prevention of the accessing to gender affirming care for Trans people.
When you have a broken arm at 7, do you think you "really" know it ?
Are you incapable of understanding this basic data that even 12 years old would be able to understand ?
And yes, just like a broken arm, gender disphoria can be healed through a treatment. A treatment called gender affirming care in most case, hormone therapy in some cases and in very rare cases gender affirming surgery.
This is not an option, this is a F. NECESSITY. Weither or not it has permanent effect on the body is a nonsensical argument since the VAST majority of Trans people NEED those therapy. (and do not even try to give me the argument of those who detransition or you will have to face a WALL of studies showing you just how nonsensical and irrational this argumentation is)
Just like the majority of trans people.
Yeah. And since you like datas. here is a study explaining the reason for the detransition to show to you that most of the time, thedetransition is to transphobia itself on people who simply can't take it. Especially from PARENTS.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/
In other words, the solution for those people is LESS transphobia and LESS people like you who try to prevent Trans people from accessing to BASIC care in relationships to their BASIC needs. As for those people, the solution is not easy but it's clearly NOT the prevention of the accessing to gender affirming care for Trans people.
When you have a broken arm at 7, do you think you "really" know it ?
Are you incapable of understanding this basic data that even 12 years old would be able to understand ?
Because this is an important subject that involves the lives of thousands and thousands of people. And you are on the side that tries to explain that those people should not be able to have access to basic care according to their needs.
To give you a metaphor that you can understand, your rethoric (but you are not the only one here) appear to me as if "I" was telling you that people under depression or suicidal should NOT have access to proper care and doctors.
Do you understand now why, to me, your rethoric is scandaleous ?
I'm antagonistic because I'm OUTRAGED by the inhumanity depicted on this thread. This rethoric of anti-gender affirming care is not only wrong, it's harmfull
To give you a metaphor that you can understand, your rethoric (but you are not the only one here) appear to me as if "I" was telling you that people under depression or suicidal should NOT have access to proper care and doctors.
Do you understand now why, to me, your rethoric is scandaleous ?
I'm antagonistic because I'm OUTRAGED by the inhumanity depicted on this thread. This rethoric of anti-gender affirming care is not only wrong, it's harmfull
In the matter. Not in every aspect of the kids life.
There are ZERO reasons for parents to have a say in the descision of a basic need for a kid. Zero.
They can give informations, details, context. But say "yes" or "no" should not be their prerogative on the matter. We are talking - again - about a BASIC need. Like drinking or eating. We are not talking about giving a driving license here.
There are ZERO reasons for parents to have a say in the descision of a basic need for a kid. Zero.
They can give informations, details, context. But say "yes" or "no" should not be their prerogative on the matter. We are talking - again - about a BASIC need. Like drinking or eating. We are not talking about giving a driving license here.
So parents shouldn't get to choose between schools, the type of food, the city they will be raised or their home, if they will be brought up with religion or not, anything?
Parents have to make decisions on basic needs for their kids all the time. It's literally their job to provide those things and choose among them.
There are many beneficial things that we withhold from kids until they are old enough to understand the drawbacks and can make their own decisions.
You mentioned mental health care, i'm guessing there are very likely many stronger drugs that are just not given to children because of possible side effects and because they are not old enough to make that choice.
By law most countries don't let kids drive, vote, drink alcohol or use the most basic of drugs. Things that have much less impact than that surgery. So i think it 100% should account for the parents' choice, they are responsible for the kid in those situations.
Parents have to make decisions on basic needs for their kids all the time. It's literally their job to provide those things and choose among them.
There are many beneficial things that we withhold from kids until they are old enough to understand the drawbacks and can make their own decisions.
You mentioned mental health care, i'm guessing there are very likely many stronger drugs that are just not given to children because of possible side effects and because they are not old enough to make that choice.
By law most countries don't let kids drive, vote, drink alcohol or use the most basic of drugs. Things that have much less impact than that surgery. So i think it 100% should account for the parents' choice, they are responsible for the kid in those situations.