Controversial Trump vs Harris who do you predict wins?

Who do you predict wins?


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Zemmi

GodMommie
The fact she wanted him to cancel on his guests, fly out to NYC only to do a 1 hour interview was bonkers. I think Kamala didn’t think she’d get a fair shake with Rogan and didn’t want to do an adversarial interview.
I think he would’ve been fair. He said he even agreed to not discuss the topics they told him not to mention and he said he would talk about whatever she wanted. He even agreed to anytime of the day as long as it was in his studio. He gave the Harris team his condition that he never edits though.
 
POS move to bring someone's daugther into an argument that has nothing to do with her just because you disagree with this person's choice.

Chill out dude, it's just a manga forum, you're not saving the world here. I doubt anybody is a real expert on politics here, they just try to make the best choice for themselves.
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Anyone that really believed Harris was the favorite to win is delusional at best and dumb at worst.

Vegas had Trump as a 60-70% favorite for weeks before the election and this is the safest indicator you can look at.

As for the reasons why Trump won (or rather Harris lost) - it's not that hard to see it either.


Trump might be a rowdy, lunatic and whatever, but he didn't commit the three cardinal sins Kamala Harris and the Democrats commited:

1) He never treated the citizens like little children that needed to get lectured about what is "good" and what is "bad" in basically every facet of life. At worst he blasted out his own aggressive takes/insults, but he never lectured others on their personal worldview from a pedestal of moral superiority - that's important. People don't want to be lectured and treated like dumb and/or immature kids.

2) He had a strong stance on the really crazy topics (for example trans people in women's sport or new pronoun nonsense) that every sane person - even the vast majority of democrats btw - saw the same way. Only Harris and her crownies didn't realize this, because they were too afraid to piss of the small part of the radical left in her party. People hate really weird stances that only a crazy and very small bubble agrees with.

3) He didn't act like it was a foregone conclusion that he wins the election. Sure, he said that he is going to win the election (like every politician does), but Harris and the Democratic party were acting completely smug like there was no chance they could lose ever since she had replaced Biden. They were sniffing their own farts on a level I've actually very rarely seen before. Harris denying to appear on Joe Rogan - the biggest podcast on our planet and therefore best advertisement she could get - was just an unbelievably arrogant decision. It sent the signal that she didn't even care about the voters, because she had already won anyway. People want to get taken seriously and they want their candidate to actually try winning them over.
It was mostly because of the economy. It's very similar to Jimmy Carter vs Ronald Reagan of 1980. The cost of living skyrocketed under Biden, so everyone blamed him for it and lamented how everything was more affordable under Trump. Kamala constantly defend Biden and said she was going to continue his policies which, to them, mean the cost of living will continue to skyrocket.

Trump was turned into a solution.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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I think he would’ve been fair. He said he even agreed to not discuss the topics they told him not to mention and he said he would talk about whatever she wanted. He even agreed to anytime of the day as long as it was in his studio. He gave the Harris team his condition that he never edits though.
I don’t think he’d intentionally go at her but to my knowledge, Joe is a very libertarian guy and would probably offer more push back on her than he did Trumps. And she didn’t do a good job when Anderson Cooper pushed back on her, I can’t see her doing better with Rogan
 
It was mostly because of the economy. It's very similar to Jimmy Carter vs Ronald Reagan of 1980. The cost of living skyrocketed under Biden, so everyone blamed him for it and lamented how everything was more affordable under Trump. Kamala constantly defend Biden and said she was going to continue his policies which, to them, mean the cost of living will continue to skyrocket.

Trump was turned into a solution.
Sure, economy was the main reason, we all know that.

I probably worded it a bit wrong.

The three cardinal sins I listed were the final straw that broke the camel's back for people that were still undecided.
 

Zemmi

GodMommie
I don’t think he’d intentionally go at her but to my knowledge, Joe is a very libertarian guy and would probably offer more push back on her than he did Trumps. And she didn’t do a good job when Anderson Cooper pushed back on her, I can’t see her doing better with Rogan
Joe Rogan was full democrat and supported Bernie. Democrats ran him away from them during Covid because the attacked him for being skeptical. Which turns out for the most part he ended up being right.
 
not gonna bother reading all that nonsense I'll just punish whoever goes personal from here on
It's crazy to see how quick you are to become the defense for the most problematic behavior on this forum because of one personnal attack (which i actually perfectly legitimate in this context) but just this morning you were spamming me about my mental health.

This is really interesting.

on’t worry about it, honestly. The low nature of it just offered to discredit he has any intention for an honest debate on the subjects.
You forfeited the possibility of an honest debate the moment you started to defend those two guyz. Trust me, until then, I was willing to have a cheerful discussion with you. But I have my limits.

If you can see why, don't worry, it's coming.

So another free pass for Logiko. How often has he to do such things until there are serious consequences for him?
Do such what ? Do you want to compare what I said here, which is a legitimate assertion in front of an horrible situation and the wall of insults and personnal attack on my mental health I receive everyday ?


Which means she was brought in. You didn't deny what you did and in fact, double down and justified it
Indeed. What I said is perfectly legitimate when there are people whose lives are at risk, others dead, others threatenned and scared like hell just because of those the orange man and the Tesla wanker and looking at the fact that she kept bringing up the fact that she has been keeping her relatives from "woke" stuff that are the exact things that keep all of those people alive in the first place.

So excuse me If I went a little low on this one but I'm not even close to regretting what I said. it was not an insult, it was in fact not even a real attack, it was a cynical look at the reality of the fact that people like you guys have no problem speaking about the danger that represent woke for your relatives and own life, while not even blinking on the idea to vote for a crypto-fascist or defend anyone who vote for those guyz.

I never go so low unless I'm VERY dissapointed. I once again put my faith where it shouldn't be placed.

you're in the wrong.
Not even close.

Oh and you do not understand what gaslight means. What you do is precisely that.
POS move to bring someone's daugther into an argument that has nothing to do with her
It has everything to do with the argument. But to understand why I mentionned not her relative but her vision of them, you need to look at that:

https://edition.cnn.com/us/abortion-access-restrictions-bans-us-dg/index.html
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/abortion-bans-will-result-in-more-women-dying/
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortion-rights-under-trump-rcna178998

And ask yourself - DEEPLY - how am I supposed to react otherwise when someone is defending Trump and when different type of people are scared like Sh*t all over the country?
 
It has everything to do with the argument. But to understand why I mentionned not her relative but her vision of them, you need to look at that:

https://edition.cnn.com/us/abortion-access-restrictions-bans-us-dg/index.html
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/abortion-bans-will-result-in-more-women-dying/
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortion-rights-under-trump-rcna178998

And ask yourself - DEEPLY - how am I supposed to react otherwise when someone is defending Trump and when different type of people are scared like Sh*t all over the country?
I still don't see the correlation between these articles (that are at conditional btw) and her daughter.
Some people were scared about the retirement law in France but yet the majority still voted for Macron. That's how democracy works.

I will also stand my ground, it is a POS move to bring someone's daugther into an argument. You're always talking about women's rights and about respecting them but I see it's only the case when they agree with you.
 
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