You advocate for death-squads, I'm pretty sure you can take a little bit of heat from some internet rando.

There's nothing left to discuss, I'm not really interested in having the same convo with you over and over again.
Wait, who is lying and gaslighting who? Where did i say anything about death squads? I said that communists are nazis and need to be treated as such. I never said anything about gunning down random people. If i was the dictator of Brazil, i would do what Bukele is doing: retire anyone remotely associated with the previous regime and corruption. Call the army and go to war with the cartels. Arrest all the drug dealers. Dictators deserve a death sentence btw.
 
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@Zemmi Here is a tweet that sums up quite well why you should ask serious questions about Elon Musk around Donald Trump:



The very fact I've punished them in this thread and had discussions where we're in disagreement, is proof alone that I don't agree with everything they say. Finding your argumentation ridiculous=/=supporting others.
My point is not that you intentionnaly supports them, it's that you work in their interest.

You, yourself (but others too) have told me repeatifively how some very problematic behavior didn't deserve any sanction or have clearly targeted my labelling method as toxic when it's not, forcing me to censor myself in order to not get ban over something that is the legitimate and ethical thing to do as I explained in the moderation thread.

So yes. You are working for THEIR interests and in the interest of the status co. Politically it's exactly what happens to leftists against the fliberals when they try to fight the far right. Their radicality, because it threatens the status co and the interests of people in power, is labelled as toxic and problematic and in some case, they are forced to become part of the system.


Once again, you must have missed my posts calling radical leftism a necessity and what changes society for the better, using figures like MLK who was a radical leftist.
Perhaps, but I didn't miss all the times when my radicality was targeted.

The fact that you attack my arrogance, which is a facade that I use to fight masses of people in equal footing here, why not, it's part of the game, I know that I'm in hostile territory, it's ok. My arguments and radicality on the other hand ? Nah.. this is different, it has nothing to do with rationnality.

The simple example being meritocracy. What I give in this forum about the subject is all about and ONLY what researchers and sociologists have explained. And yet... I keep receiving things like "you invent your own words to twist reality".

Those kind of things are not you showing me criticizing my behavior, it's you criticizing the value. The value of leftism, mostly radical in that case.


Disagreeing with your misuse of terms and definitions,
My point exactly.

My method is radical leftism. An offensive version of it as I search to convince and fight and not simply educate. THIS is what you do not accept as leftism.

By radical,i hope you don't mean genocidal like Stalin and Mao.
Those were authoritarians. It's not radical leftists.

I use historical facts to fight your narratives
No you don't.

If that was the case you would accept the fact that portugese people genocided the people who were residing on the territory that is Brazil now, during the "new world" conquest.

This is an historical fact supported by real researches that you clearly denied.
 

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I think by definition then, all of them are radical. They're all revolutionaries or failed revolutionaries.
In that way yes since they indeed caused great change, but it's far more accurate to call them authoritarian left, as it signifies that their change was for the worst. They went for a leftist economy, but an authoritarian society.

I was just using you as an example. I don't consider you to be particularly honest or consistent. You're more than welcome to pretend I'm the same way.
Dude, i don't need to pretend anything. Your way of treating users that slightly annoy does a better job of showing people your true colors than anything i can say about you.
 
@Zemmi Here is a tweet that sums up quite well why you should ask serious questions about Elon Musk around Donald Trump:




My point is not that you intentionnaly supports them, it's that you work in their interest.

You, yourself (but others too) have told me repeatifively how some very problematic behavior didn't deserve any sanction or have clearly targeted my labelling method as toxic when it's not, forcing me to censor myself in order to not get ban over something that is the legitimate and ethical thing to do as I explained in the moderation thread.

So yes. You are working for THEIR interests and in the interest of the status co. Politically it's exactly what happens to leftists against the fliberals when they try to fight the far right. Their radicality, because it threatens the status co and the interests of people in power, is labelled as toxic and problematic and in some case, they are forced to become part of the system.



Perhaps, but I didn't miss all the times when my radicality was targeted.

The fact that you attack my arrogance, which is a facade that I use to fight masses of people in equal footing here, why not, it's part of the game, I know that I'm hostile territory, it's ok. My arguments and radicality on the other hand ? Nah.. this is different, it has nothing to do with rationnality.

The simple example being meritocracy. What I give in this forum about the subject is all about and ONLY what researchers and sociologists have explained. And yet... I keep receiving things like "you invent your own words to twist reality".

Those kind of things are not you showing me criticizing my behavior, it's you criticizing the value. The value of leftism, mostly radical in that case.



My point exactly.

My method is radical leftism. An offensive version of it as I search to convince and fight and not simply educate. THIS is what you do not accept as leftism.


Those were authoritarians. It's not radical leftists.


No you don't.

If that was the case you would accept the fact that portugese people genocided the people who were residing on the territory that is Brazil now, during the "new world" conquest.

This is an historical fact supported by real researches that you clearly denied.
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Communism has multiple genocides and dictatorships under its belt. This is a historical fact. No bitch and moaning will change it. Deal with it.
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In that way yes since they indeed caused great change, but it's far more accurate to call them authoritarian left, as it signifies that their change was for the worst. They went for a leftist economy, but an authoritarian society.



Deux vult, losers:ClownGun:
 
Communism has multiple genocides and dictatorships under its belt.
Yes and ? If we make the count of death because of capitalism, those numbers look pale in comparison.

:kayneshrug:

Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.

I'm listening.
 
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No you don't.

If that was the case you would accept the fact that portugese people genocided the people who were residing on the territory that is Brazil now, during the "new world" conquest.

This is an historical fact supported by real researches that you clearly denied.
Covid originated in China. Did the Chinese genocide the whole world during the pandemic? NO! The same thing happened with Europeans settlers in America. Did the Portuguese and Spanish have pontual episodes of violence against the natives? Yes. Was that their go to method? No! Demographics of Latin America shows most people are a mix of Europpean, Native and African descent. Meaning the colonizers mixed with the local population. The Portuguese did the same in Africa. Which was a way less violent method compared to the British one. No KKK, segregation laws or crazy violence caused by racism down here. In Brazil, being racist in public gets you in jail. In America, it gets you elected. The narrative that the Iberians massacred the locals is pure political defamation to guilt trip both Europpeans and Latin Americans. Europpeans made people that were living in the stone age advance all the way to the modern age. I grew up watching high school teachers distill their hate towards Portugal. I know all too well what leftism is about: Divide and Conquer. Always has been and always will be. There is no good coming from a ideology that is fraudulent in its nature.
 
Yes and ? If we make the count of death because of capitalism, those numbers look pale in comparison.

:kayneshrug:

Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.

I'm listening.
Good luck with that. See all the prosperity communism brought to Cuba and North Korea.
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Great! Maduro needs to be taken down. Go America!
 
Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.

I'm listening.
Wrong. It never worked because its a political fraud. It was intended to produce concentration of power(aka dicatorship). You bash capitalism, while living in a capitalist society. Stop being a hypocrite. Visit a true communist nation and see how they live. Better yet, ask your fellow Eastern Europpean how cool communism was. They are still poorer to this day thnx to it.
 
Yeah that pic didn't load at first and greeeaaattt. That's really.....awesome. Praise be the guy who's anti-immigration, anti-gay marriage, and hates privacy. Truly the democracy to ever be.
Since he's cuban he often advocates for Coups all over the region. He is truly the worst choice for Secretary of State if you care about foreign intervention and stability in Latin America.
 
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