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@Zemmi Here is a tweet that sums up quite well why you should ask serious questions about Elon Musk around Donald Trump:
My point is not that you intentionnaly supports them, it's that you work in their interest.
You, yourself (but others too) have told me repeatifively how some very problematic behavior didn't deserve any sanction or have clearly targeted my labelling method as toxic when it's not, forcing me to censor myself in order to not get ban over something that is the legitimate and ethical thing to do as I explained in the moderation thread.
So yes. You are working for THEIR interests and in the interest of the status co. Politically it's exactly what happens to leftists against the fliberals when they try to fight the far right. Their radicality, because it threatens the status co and the interests of people in power, is labelled as toxic and problematic and in some case, they are forced to become part of the system.
Perhaps, but I didn't miss all the times when my radicality was targeted.
The fact that you attack my arrogance, which is a facade that I use to fight masses of people in equal footing here, why not, it's part of the game, I know that I'm hostile territory, it's ok. My arguments and radicality on the other hand ? Nah.. this is different, it has nothing to do with rationnality.
The simple example being meritocracy. What I give in this forum about the subject is all about and ONLY what researchers and sociologists have explained. And yet... I keep receiving things like "you invent your own words to twist reality".
Those kind of things are not you showing me criticizing my behavior, it's you criticizing the value. The value of leftism, mostly radical in that case.
My point exactly.
My method is radical leftism. An offensive version of it as I search to convince and fight and not simply educate. THIS is what you do not accept as leftism.
Those were authoritarians. It's not radical leftists.
No you don't.
If that was the case you would accept the fact that portugese people genocided the people who were residing on the territory that is Brazil now, during the "new world" conquest.
This is an historical fact supported by real researches that you clearly denied.
My point is not that you intentionnaly supports them, it's that you work in their interest.
You, yourself (but others too) have told me repeatifively how some very problematic behavior didn't deserve any sanction or have clearly targeted my labelling method as toxic when it's not, forcing me to censor myself in order to not get ban over something that is the legitimate and ethical thing to do as I explained in the moderation thread.
So yes. You are working for THEIR interests and in the interest of the status co. Politically it's exactly what happens to leftists against the fliberals when they try to fight the far right. Their radicality, because it threatens the status co and the interests of people in power, is labelled as toxic and problematic and in some case, they are forced to become part of the system.
Perhaps, but I didn't miss all the times when my radicality was targeted.
The fact that you attack my arrogance, which is a facade that I use to fight masses of people in equal footing here, why not, it's part of the game, I know that I'm hostile territory, it's ok. My arguments and radicality on the other hand ? Nah.. this is different, it has nothing to do with rationnality.
The simple example being meritocracy. What I give in this forum about the subject is all about and ONLY what researchers and sociologists have explained. And yet... I keep receiving things like "you invent your own words to twist reality".
Those kind of things are not you showing me criticizing my behavior, it's you criticizing the value. The value of leftism, mostly radical in that case.
My point exactly.
My method is radical leftism. An offensive version of it as I search to convince and fight and not simply educate. THIS is what you do not accept as leftism.
Those were authoritarians. It's not radical leftists.
No you don't.
If that was the case you would accept the fact that portugese people genocided the people who were residing on the territory that is Brazil now, during the "new world" conquest.
This is an historical fact supported by real researches that you clearly denied.
Communism has multiple genocides and dictatorships under its belt. This is a historical fact. No bitch and moaning will change it. Deal with it.
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Deux vult, losers
Yes and ? If we make the count of death because of capitalism, those numbers look pale in comparison.
Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.
I'm listening.
Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.
I'm listening.
Covid originated in China. Did the Chinese genocide the whole world during the pandemic? NO! The same thing happened with Europeans settlers in America. Did the Portuguese and Spanish have pontual episodes of violence against the natives? Yes. Was that their go to method? No! Demographics of Latin America shows most people are a mix of Europpean, Native and African descent. Meaning the colonizers mixed with the local population. The Portuguese did the same in Africa. Which was a way less violent method compared to the British one. No KKK, segregation laws or crazy violence caused by racism down here. In Brazil, being racist in public gets you in jail. In America, it gets you elected. The narrative that the Iberians massacred the locals is pure political defamation to guilt trip both Europpeans and Latin Americans. Europpeans made people that were living in the stone age advance all the way to the modern age. I grew up watching high school teachers distill their hate towards Portugal. I know all too well what leftism is about: Divide and Conquer. Always has been and always will be. There is no good coming from a ideology that is fraudulent in its nature.
Yes and ? If we make the count of death because of capitalism, those numbers look pale in comparison.
Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.
I'm listening.
Communism, in the authoritarian way that it was attempted, was bad, mostly because people were - I think - not ready for it for a lot of reasons. But it one of the only solutions to get rid of the current system. If you know something better than anarchism or communism to get rid of capitalism and it's problem, go for it.
I'm listening.
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Great! Maduro needs to be taken down. Go America!
Wrong. It never worked because its a political fraud. It was intended to produce concentration of power(aka dicatorship). You bash capitalism, while living in a capitalist society. Stop being a hypocrite. Visit a true communist nation and see how they live. Better yet, ask your fellow Eastern Europpean how cool communism was. They are still poorer to this day thnx to it.
A genocide needs to be intended to be a genocide mate. And we are not only talking about virus here, but real slaughter. Crimes against humanity that you deny.
No. Not ponctual. Calculated and massive. The goal was to submit and conquer.
Did you expect all people to die ? Gladly some survive, they are your history.
Indeed.
Good.
Indeed.
No. It's simple historic fact. Facts that I won't discuss further with you since you deny the science on which those data are based on. You can't know something you refuse to learn.
We are again in the post-truth problem. I won't entertain your fooleries more than that. You are lost.
Indeed the dictatorship of the proleteriat*. In other word, of the people against the bourgeoisie. Which is not a bad thing per say.
Now, i'm not convince this is THE solution, but it's one of the best we have, you have none.
FOr good reasons. Those who are happy under this system are delusionnal.
There are no such thing as true communist nation. There are only some authoritarian and capitalist state ones. Nothing more.
You live under the exploitation of capitalism. And you are craving for more.
Do not make me moral lessons about change and communism.
no. They introduced the notion of competition and early capitalism, and the propriety of lands. Something that was was considered a common ground for the people there.
Eurropeean didn't brought the modern age, that's the narrative of colonizers, they annihilated a civilisation that could have become something amazing. We are not in the modern age. We are still in a dark age, waiting for an awakening. Science deniers can't see that.
Keep sleeping.
Did you compared me to Harris here ?
Compare me to Sanders at worst, but Harris ? Come on.. I'm feeling insulted here.
No. Not ponctual. Calculated and massive. The goal was to submit and conquer.
Did you expect all people to die ? Gladly some survive, they are your history.
Indeed.
Good.
Indeed.
No. It's simple historic fact. Facts that I won't discuss further with you since you deny the science on which those data are based on. You can't know something you refuse to learn.
We are again in the post-truth problem. I won't entertain your fooleries more than that. You are lost.
Indeed the dictatorship of the proleteriat*. In other word, of the people against the bourgeoisie. Which is not a bad thing per say.
Now, i'm not convince this is THE solution, but it's one of the best we have, you have none.
FOr good reasons. Those who are happy under this system are delusionnal.
There are no such thing as true communist nation. There are only some authoritarian and capitalist state ones. Nothing more.
You live under the exploitation of capitalism. And you are craving for more.
Do not make me moral lessons about change and communism.
no. They introduced the notion of competition and early capitalism, and the propriety of lands. Something that was was considered a common ground for the people there.
Eurropeean didn't brought the modern age, that's the narrative of colonizers, they annihilated a civilisation that could have become something amazing. We are not in the modern age. We are still in a dark age, waiting for an awakening. Science deniers can't see that.
Keep sleeping.
^^^ Harris and Hilary of worstgen
Compare me to Sanders at worst, but Harris ? Come on.. I'm feeling insulted here.