Speculations Elbaf seems to be set up as a Shanks arc
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Well, Elbaf is about securing the allies from the strongest nation in the world and perhaps obtaining 4th Road Poneglyph.
Shanks is irrelevant to both of those. The Giants are not allied with him, despite some people believing otherwise.
And he doesn't possess the missing 4th RPG. Shanks will be present in Elbaf as background character who did this or that.
Probably told from Loki's perspective but physically, I doubt RHP will be in Elbaf because Oda literally removed them from it just now.
Shanks is irrelevant to both of those. The Giants are not allied with him, despite some people believing otherwise.
And he doesn't possess the missing 4th RPG. Shanks will be present in Elbaf as background character who did this or that.
Probably told from Loki's perspective but physically, I doubt RHP will be in Elbaf because Oda literally removed them from it just now.
Don't think Shanks will directly be involved in the upcoming events of Elbalf since he's elsewhere.
But I do think Shanks' past will be revealed here and his past actions will have impact on the future events of Elbalf.
So Shanks is basically gonna be the Oden of Elbalf. He's not here but everyone still sucks his dick.
But I do think Shanks' past will be revealed here and his past actions will have impact on the future events of Elbalf.
So Shanks is basically gonna be the Oden of Elbalf. He's not here but everyone still sucks his dick.
In most of these scenarios, Loki would've to be atleast close to Shanks + Luffy in strength for that to happen. We saw that Kidd was a no diff fight for Shanks, Luffy does the same with G5. Oda would've to make so asspull for Kidd to in just a short period to go from that to competing against them. His haki feats are even worse than Flaw and ACoC can only bs awakened during hard time, Big Mom was that yet Oda never bothered doing so.
Ignoring the circumstances, sure
Look at Luffy from his first interaction with Kaido to the end of Wano. It can absolutely happen. And out of all the supernovas hes the one with the greatest potential.
He supposedly hasn't used haki at all and was able to break Big Mom's bones, and overpower her acoc + soul pocus? All of this without any haki....Thats why I laugh when people mention his haki usage. Hes gone all this way "without haki." If hes breaking Yonko bones without haki, what would happen when he actually uses haki, or eventually uses acoc?
And to add on to that, he has atleast one devil fruit ability that we've seen that can't be negated by a yonko.
Theres plenty of room for him to grow.
And as I've said Loki may have knowledge on how Shanks fights, maybe some way to deal with his future sight or something like that? But who knows.
There's a reason why Shanks decided to attack with DD right as he was about to launch the Damned Punk attack...before they could actually fight.
People will be in denial until it happens. Same thing happened in Wano.
Look at Luffy from his first interaction with Kaido to the end of Wano. It can absolutely happen. And out of all the supernovas hes the one with the greatest potential.
He supposedly hasn't used haki at all and was able to break Big Mom's bones, and overpower her acoc + soul pocus? All of this without any haki....Thats why I laugh when people mention his haki usage. Hes gone all this way "without haki." If hes breaking Yonko bones without haki, what would happen when he actually uses haki, or eventually uses acoc?
And to add on to that, he has atleast one devil fruit ability that we've seen that can't be negated by a yonko.
Theres plenty of room for him to grow.
And as I've said Loki may have knowledge on how Shanks fights, maybe some way to deal with his future sight or something like that? But who knows.
There's a reason why Shanks decided to attack with DD right as he was about to launch the Damned Punk attack...before they could actually fight.
People will be in denial until it happens. Same thing happened in Wano.
Circumstances? More like a skill issue to me.
_ Luffy had two power-ups, was easily killed by Kaido and had another power-up that was called crude and clumsy, Kidd can only unlock ACoC in a though battles, he can't free Loki and fight him to get haki buffs without anyone noticing because CoO will detect that.
_ Shanks done him in with one attack that I'll put 4/10 as far as Shanks AP is concerned
_ The Big Mom bones breaking feat is certainly impressive, but she was still able to fight wven while going down and without bombs they stood no chance of defeating her. She did not use ACoC on them.
_ Shanks & Luffy haki feats are way above her, and I just don't see anyway that really makes sense for Kidd to be at that level.
_ Luffy had two power-ups, was easily killed by Kaido and had another power-up that was called crude and clumsy, Kidd can only unlock ACoC in a though battles, he can't free Loki and fight him to get haki buffs without anyone noticing because CoO will detect that.
_ Shanks done him in with one attack that I'll put 4/10 as far as Shanks AP is concerned
_ The Big Mom bones breaking feat is certainly impressive, but she was still able to fight wven while going down and without bombs they stood no chance of defeating her. She did not use ACoC on them.
_ Shanks & Luffy haki feats are way above her, and I just don't see anyway that really makes sense for Kidd to be at that level.
People talking as if kid fought Shanks and lost badly
If awakened Kid fought Shanks 1v1, it wouldn't be no diff like what we saw.
Oda isn't making asspulls for Kid next,
He will just give him 1 major PU and kid becomes a solid top tier able to beat most top tiers
This is why Oda didn't gave Kid lose like Law lost.
We haven't seen post wano kid 1v1 against a yonko yet
If awakened Kid fought Shanks 1v1, it wouldn't be no diff like what we saw.
Oda isn't making asspulls for Kid next,
He will just give him 1 major PU and kid becomes a solid top tier able to beat most top tiers
This is why Oda didn't gave Kid lose like Law lost.
We haven't seen post wano kid 1v1 against a yonko yet
Yes...circumstances..
Calling it a skill issue when gets attacked while attempting to launch a damned punk attack vs a fleet of ships...right lmao.
Kidd will obviously unlock acoc in his next battle. Who said Kidd wasn't going to unlock acoc through battle?
Please read what I wrote about Loki.
Shanks divine departure is a 4/10 for his AP. LOL. An attack where he used Acoc + DD? A weak attack when he was forced to use future sight and rush kidd before his Damned Punk went off...sure..sure lmao
If anyone except (Kaido/Big Mom) gets hit Punk Corna Dio, Punk Crash or Damned Punk, they are dying. The amount of AP to break Big mom bones without Haki is unimaginable. Anyone who doesn't have god tier durability, is getting one shot easily.
She is clearly using acoc here. Damned punk overpowered acoc+ soul pocus.
Kidd will reach that level. All he needs is acoc + future sight.
As I said before acoc + any of those Kidd attacks i mentioned is actually overkill. And with assign, its an insane combo. An ability big mom herself, couldn't negate.
Acoc + Fs, he'll actually be overpowered. And to top it off. His raw physical ability is mind blowing. If you remove all fruits from the supernovas, in raw physical ability, he is the strongest. He was matching Luffy in udon prison with ONE arm.
There's a reason why Oda didn't let Kidd actually have a full out a fight vs Shanks. There's also a reason Oda had Kidd meet Shanks instead of BB. Imagine if Kidd had free hits vs BB like the fight Law had with him? BB isn't surving DP, Punk Crash or Corna Dio.
He will reach that level by the end of Elbaf.
Calling it a skill issue when gets attacked while attempting to launch a damned punk attack vs a fleet of ships...right lmao.
Kidd will obviously unlock acoc in his next battle. Who said Kidd wasn't going to unlock acoc through battle?
Please read what I wrote about Loki.
Shanks divine departure is a 4/10 for his AP. LOL. An attack where he used Acoc + DD? A weak attack when he was forced to use future sight and rush kidd before his Damned Punk went off...sure..sure lmao
If anyone except (Kaido/Big Mom) gets hit Punk Corna Dio, Punk Crash or Damned Punk, they are dying. The amount of AP to break Big mom bones without Haki is unimaginable. Anyone who doesn't have god tier durability, is getting one shot easily.
She is clearly using acoc here. Damned punk overpowered acoc+ soul pocus.
Kidd will reach that level. All he needs is acoc + future sight.
As I said before acoc + any of those Kidd attacks i mentioned is actually overkill. And with assign, its an insane combo. An ability big mom herself, couldn't negate.
Acoc + Fs, he'll actually be overpowered. And to top it off. His raw physical ability is mind blowing. If you remove all fruits from the supernovas, in raw physical ability, he is the strongest. He was matching Luffy in udon prison with ONE arm.
There's a reason why Oda didn't let Kidd actually have a full out a fight vs Shanks. There's also a reason Oda had Kidd meet Shanks instead of BB. Imagine if Kidd had free hits vs BB like the fight Law had with him? BB isn't surving DP, Punk Crash or Corna Dio.
He will reach that level by the end of Elbaf.
Yes skill issue, expecting that things will be that easy and not being fast to react is a skill issue
This is where the problem comes from, it's implied as ryuo is necessary to unlock ACoC, as both are infusing it, Kidd doesn't have that, so he'll first have to go through that via training of someone that can teach him ryuo (let's say Loki does) then I still don't see that making him be on that level, Luffy was lucky during rooftop that Law/Zoro were there. If Loki is fighting Luffy, then what's stopping Shanks from no diffing him again?
Yes, I just don't see a character of someone as glazed as Shanks that being his high echelon of what's his AP is capable off. Kaido used thunder bagua against act 1 Luffy yet we saw that death destroyer bagua was several tiers above that, this will likely be the case with Shanks & DD or different high end attacks, so DD will fall between mid tier (4/10 5/10).
I don't think that's ACoC but the fact that she didn't use it offensively remains more or less true. The problem with hitting that on someone that's as fast as Shanks that has FS + observation killing and can hide his presence is very very low, but it'll certainly be devastating if he hits.
I'm not trying to downplay your takes but this ridiculous. Observation is the least haki we see Kidd use, it'll make zero, yes zero sense for him to unlock that, compared to ACoC.
As I said before acoc + any of those Kidd attacks i mentioned is actually overkill. And with assign, its an insane combo. An ability big mom herself, couldn't negate.
Acoc + Fs, he'll actually be overpowered. And to top it off. His raw physical ability is mind blowing. If you remove all fruits from the supernovas, in raw physical ability, he is the strongest. He was matching Luffy in udon prison with ONE arm.
That would've downplayed Shanks, hence why he had to make a point about the fodder fleet and show him getting destroyed.
Law got them kits thanks to his awakening, Kidd can't throw BB off of Doc Q's horse and once he hits the ground, darkness fruit and it's night night. This is another problem like where I see people say Zoro would've done better than Law, both can be true if they get free hits, but Law got that hit thanks to his fruit. Zoro can send a flying slash but they not invisible so it'll get countered. Kidd could use DP but either they can dodge or if I'm not wrong, BB can nullify upcoming attacks without touching the person. IF BB takes either of those Kidd attacks, he won't ve getting one shot but it'll certainly do a lot of damage, BB endurance is pretty good.
This is where the problem comes from, it's implied as ryuo is necessary to unlock ACoC, as both are infusing it, Kidd doesn't have that, so he'll first have to go through that via training of someone that can teach him ryuo (let's say Loki does) then I still don't see that making him be on that level, Luffy was lucky during rooftop that Law/Zoro were there. If Loki is fighting Luffy, then what's stopping Shanks from no diffing him again?
Yes, I just don't see a character of someone as glazed as Shanks that being his high echelon of what's his AP is capable off. Kaido used thunder bagua against act 1 Luffy yet we saw that death destroyer bagua was several tiers above that, this will likely be the case with Shanks & DD or different high end attacks, so DD will fall between mid tier (4/10 5/10).
I don't think that's ACoC but the fact that she didn't use it offensively remains more or less true. The problem with hitting that on someone that's as fast as Shanks that has FS + observation killing and can hide his presence is very very low, but it'll certainly be devastating if he hits.
I'm not trying to downplay your takes but this ridiculous. Observation is the least haki we see Kidd use, it'll make zero, yes zero sense for him to unlock that, compared to ACoC.
As I said before acoc + any of those Kidd attacks i mentioned is actually overkill. And with assign, its an insane combo. An ability big mom herself, couldn't negate.
Acoc + Fs, he'll actually be overpowered. And to top it off. His raw physical ability is mind blowing. If you remove all fruits from the supernovas, in raw physical ability, he is the strongest. He was matching Luffy in udon prison with ONE arm.
That would've downplayed Shanks, hence why he had to make a point about the fodder fleet and show him getting destroyed.
Law got them kits thanks to his awakening, Kidd can't throw BB off of Doc Q's horse and once he hits the ground, darkness fruit and it's night night. This is another problem like where I see people say Zoro would've done better than Law, both can be true if they get free hits, but Law got that hit thanks to his fruit. Zoro can send a flying slash but they not invisible so it'll get countered. Kidd could use DP but either they can dodge or if I'm not wrong, BB can nullify upcoming attacks without touching the person. IF BB takes either of those Kidd attacks, he won't ve getting one shot but it'll certainly do a lot of damage, BB endurance is pretty good.
I think we are indeed heading toward Shanks arc, Major islands all have Yonkos dominating it .
Whole cake -> big mom
Wano -> Kaido
Elbaf -> Shanks
So that leaves Blackbeard Oda will leave him for Laugh tale arc most likely or Final war .
So Elbaf could be Shanks's arc seeing how Loki mentions about him he is probably important figure in this arc . Maybe following things will happen .
Loki will be released by Luffy and Shanks get info Loki +Luffy are ganged making them enemy of Giants .
Whole cake -> big mom
Wano -> Kaido
Elbaf -> Shanks
So that leaves Blackbeard Oda will leave him for Laugh tale arc most likely or Final war .
So Elbaf could be Shanks's arc seeing how Loki mentions about him he is probably important figure in this arc . Maybe following things will happen .
Loki will be released by Luffy and Shanks get info Loki +Luffy are ganged making them enemy of Giants .
If there is something that people need to give him credit for its his potential for sur. Oda did not give him conquerors haki paired with a devil fruit for nothing, he is a candidate to master advanced conquerors haki and awakening, something that has only be done by joyboy (luffy will do it too for sure) even people like whitebeard, kaido couldnt do it as far as we know, but kid can still do it, his potential is insane