Speculations Elbaf seems to be set up as a Shanks arc

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#24
What do you think about it nik?,
Well, Elbaf is about securing the allies from the strongest nation in the world and perhaps obtaining 4th Road Poneglyph.
Shanks is irrelevant to both of those. The Giants are not allied with him, despite some people believing otherwise.
And he doesn't possess the missing 4th RPG. Shanks will be present in Elbaf as background character who did this or that.
Probably told from Loki's perspective but physically, I doubt RHP will be in Elbaf because Oda literally removed them from it just now.
 
#25
Don't think Shanks will directly be involved in the upcoming events of Elbalf since he's elsewhere.
But I do think Shanks' past will be revealed here and his past actions will have impact on the future events of Elbalf.
So Shanks is basically gonna be the Oden of Elbalf. He's not here but everyone still sucks his dick.
 
#29
If Elbaf becomes a Shanks arc, Shanks isn't going to be defeated by BB. BB is endgame for Luffy. And honestly, doesnt seem like hes interested in going after Shanks. I don't see forsee Shanks making it to endgame. Now to my main point..

IF this is a Shanks-centric arc, He will be defeated by Kidd.

After reading this most recent chapter, we know Loki has interacted with Shanks in the past and hes clearly not fond of him. And we also can tell how Luffy still views Shanks...And obviously we know how Kidd views Shanks...

Luffy admires Shanks

Loki/Kidd dislike Shanks


The one who will free Loki, will be Kidd. Now this is where things can get interesting. Loki is a complete wildcard character. It's quite hard to tell what his next moves will be. So far, Oda has setup this arc masterfully. I'll list a few potential scenarios that could occur.


*The first thing to address is the key that will free Loki

Is there a potential the key that could free Loki could lead to conflict? Absolutely. I'm assuming wherever the key is held, its being heavily guarded.

I could see a scenario where Kidd attempts to retrieve the key and encounters whomever is guarding it. I could also see a scenario where Luffy is asked to help defend the key. In both scenarios, conflict would occur. Regarding the key, its a bit too early to say anything about it, but it could definitely cause a fight.

Now regarding what would happen when Loki is freed:

Kidd/Loki vs Shanks Luffy -> Loki trains/teams up with Kidd and they fight vs Shanks/Luffy

Kidd vs Loki - Loki gets freed and comes into conflict with Kidd. Loki strikes me a conqueror. If they have a reason to fight, they will.

Luffy vs Loki - A possibility.

Kidd/Loki vs Elbaf (Luffy + giants) -> Kinda similiar to the first one listed

Kidd vs Luffy -> Shanks(and i guess Loki), will be the catalycst for this fight. Everyone laughed when I said the way Kidd and Luffy view Shanks will cause a fight. This most recent chapter is perfect example. Loki barely joked around about Shanks, and Luffy was ready to slam him with G4. As I've said countless times if Kidd/Luffy ever reveal to each other, the way they view Shanks, a fight will happen 100%.

The two scenarios that I believe are most likely:


Kidd vs Luffy

Kidd/Loki vs Shanks/Luffy

*Something else to note. It's possible "Thor" could play a role if he exists. Something interesting I noticed, wad that, on the Damned Punk kidd was using to destroy Shank's fleet, the word "Tor" was written on it. Could this be referring to something?

And honestly, there are ton of wildcards potentially for this arc.....Loki, Shiki, Other giants, the realms, Shanks, the burned man, the silhouette man, etc...
In most of these scenarios, Loki would've to be atleast close to Shanks + Luffy in strength for that to happen. We saw that Kidd was a no diff fight for Shanks, Luffy does the same with G5. Oda would've to make so asspull for Kidd to in just a short period to go from that to competing against them. His haki feats are even worse than Flaw and ACoC can only bs awakened during hard time, Big Mom was that yet Oda never bothered doing so.
 
#30
We saw that Kidd was a no diff fight for Shanks
Ignoring the circumstances, sure

Oda would've to make so asspull for Kidd to in just a short period to go from that to competing against them. His haki feats are even worse than Flaw and ACoC can only bs awakened during hard time, Big Mom was that yet Oda never bothered doing so.
Look at Luffy from his first interaction with Kaido to the end of Wano. It can absolutely happen. And out of all the supernovas hes the one with the greatest potential.

He supposedly hasn't used haki at all and was able to break Big Mom's bones, and overpower her acoc + soul pocus? All of this without any haki....Thats why I laugh when people mention his haki usage. Hes gone all this way "without haki." If hes breaking Yonko bones without haki, what would happen when he actually uses haki, or eventually uses acoc?

And to add on to that, he has atleast one devil fruit ability that we've seen that can't be negated by a yonko.

Theres plenty of room for him to grow.

And as I've said Loki may have knowledge on how Shanks fights, maybe some way to deal with his future sight or something like that? But who knows.

There's a reason why Shanks decided to attack with DD right as he was about to launch the Damned Punk attack...before they could actually fight.

People will be in denial until it happens. Same thing happened in Wano.
 
#31
Ignoring the circumstances, sure



Look at Luffy from his first interaction with Kaido to the end of Wano. It can absolutely happen. And out of all the supernovas hes the one with the greatest potential.

He supposedly hasn't used haki at all and was able to break Big Mom's bones, and overpower her acoc + soul pocus? All of this without any haki....Thats why I laugh when people mention his haki usage. Hes gone all this way "without haki." If hes breaking Yonko bones without haki, what would happen when he actually uses haki, or eventually uses acoc?

And to add on to that, he has atleast one devil fruit ability that we've seen that can't be negated by a yonko.

Theres plenty of room for him to grow.

And as I've said Loki may have knowledge on how Shanks fights, maybe some way to deal with his future sight or something like that? But who knows.

There's a reason why Shanks decided to attack with DD right as he was about to launch the Damned Punk attack...before they could actually fight.

People will be in denial until it happens. Same thing happened in Wano.
Circumstances? More like a skill issue to me.

_ Luffy had two power-ups, was easily killed by Kaido and had another power-up that was called crude and clumsy, Kidd can only unlock ACoC in a though battles, he can't free Loki and fight him to get haki buffs without anyone noticing because CoO will detect that.

_ Shanks done him in with one attack that I'll put 4/10 as far as Shanks AP is concerned

_ The Big Mom bones breaking feat is certainly impressive, but she was still able to fight wven while going down and without bombs they stood no chance of defeating her. She did not use ACoC on them.

_ Shanks & Luffy haki feats are way above her, and I just don't see anyway that really makes sense for Kidd to be at that level.
 
#32
Ignoring the circumstances, sure



Look at Luffy from his first interaction with Kaido to the end of Wano. It can absolutely happen. And out of all the supernovas hes the one with the greatest potential.

He supposedly hasn't used haki at all and was able to break Big Mom's bones, and overpower her acoc + soul pocus? All of this without any haki....Thats why I laugh when people mention his haki usage. Hes gone all this way "without haki." If hes breaking Yonko bones without haki, what would happen when he actually uses haki, or eventually uses acoc?

And to add on to that, he has atleast one devil fruit ability that we've seen that can't be negated by a yonko.

Theres plenty of room for him to grow.

And as I've said Loki may have knowledge on how Shanks fights, maybe some way to deal with his future sight or something like that? But who knows.

There's a reason why Shanks decided to attack with DD right as he was about to launch the Damned Punk attack...before they could actually fight.

People will be in denial until it happens. Same thing happened in Wano.
People talking as if kid fought Shanks and lost badly

If awakened Kid fought Shanks 1v1, it wouldn't be no diff like what we saw.

Oda isn't making asspulls for Kid next,
He will just give him 1 major PU and kid becomes a solid top tier able to beat most top tiers

This is why Oda didn't gave Kid lose like Law lost.
We haven't seen post wano kid 1v1 against a yonko yet
 
#34
Circumstances? More like a skill issue to me.
Yes...circumstances..

Calling it a skill issue when gets attacked while attempting to launch a damned punk attack vs a fleet of ships...right lmao.

Luffy had two power-ups, was easily killed by Kaido and had another power-up that was called crude and clumsy, Kidd can only unlock ACoC in a though battles, he can't free Loki and fight him to get haki buffs without anyone noticing because CoO will detect that.
Kidd will obviously unlock acoc in his next battle. Who said Kidd wasn't going to unlock acoc through battle?

Please read what I wrote about Loki.

Shanks done him in with one attack that I'll put 4/10 as far as Shanks AP is concerned
Shanks divine departure is a 4/10 for his AP. LOL. An attack where he used Acoc + DD? A weak attack when he was forced to use future sight and rush kidd before his Damned Punk went off...sure..sure lmao

The Big Mom bones breaking feat is certainly impressive, but she was still able to fight wven while going down and without bombs they stood no chance of defeating her. She did not use ACoC on them.
If anyone except (Kaido/Big Mom) gets hit Punk Corna Dio, Punk Crash or Damned Punk, they are dying. The amount of AP to break Big mom bones without Haki is unimaginable. Anyone who doesn't have god tier durability, is getting one shot easily.

She is clearly using acoc here. Damned punk overpowered acoc+ soul pocus.



Shanks & Luffy haki feats are way above her, and I just don't see anyway that really makes sense for Kidd to be at that level.
Kidd will reach that level. All he needs is acoc + future sight.

As I said before acoc + any of those Kidd attacks i mentioned is actually overkill. And with assign, its an insane combo. An ability big mom herself, couldn't negate.

Acoc + Fs, he'll actually be overpowered. And to top it off. His raw physical ability is mind blowing. If you remove all fruits from the supernovas, in raw physical ability, he is the strongest. He was matching Luffy in udon prison with ONE arm.

There's a reason why Oda didn't let Kidd actually have a full out a fight vs Shanks. There's also a reason Oda had Kidd meet Shanks instead of BB. Imagine if Kidd had free hits vs BB like the fight Law had with him? BB isn't surving DP, Punk Crash or Corna Dio.

He will reach that level by the end of Elbaf.
 
#36
Yes...circumstances..

Calling it a skill issue when gets attacked while attempting to launch a damned punk attack vs a fleet of ships...right lmao.
Yes skill issue, expecting that things will be that easy and not being fast to react is a skill issue



Kidd will obviously unlock acoc in his next battle. Who said Kidd wasn't going to unlock acoc through battle?
This is where the problem comes from, it's implied as ryuo is necessary to unlock ACoC, as both are infusing it, Kidd doesn't have that, so he'll first have to go through that via training of someone that can teach him ryuo (let's say Loki does) then I still don't see that making him be on that level, Luffy was lucky during rooftop that Law/Zoro were there. If Loki is fighting Luffy, then what's stopping Shanks from no diffing him again?

Please read what I wrote about Loki.

Shanks divine departure is a 4/10 for his AP. LOL. An attack where he used Acoc + DD? A weak attack when he was forced to use future sight and rush kidd before his Damned Punk went off...sure..sure lmao
Yes, I just don't see a character of someone as glazed as Shanks that being his high echelon of what's his AP is capable off. Kaido used thunder bagua against act 1 Luffy yet we saw that death destroyer bagua was several tiers above that, this will likely be the case with Shanks & DD or different high end attacks, so DD will fall between mid tier (4/10 5/10).



If anyone except (Kaido/Big Mom) gets hit Punk Corna Dio, Punk Crash or Damned Punk, they are dying. The amount of AP to break Big mom bones without Haki is unimaginable. Anyone who doesn't have god tier durability, is getting one shot easily.

She is clearly using acoc here. Damned punk overpowered acoc+ soul pocus.
I don't think that's ACoC but the fact that she didn't use it offensively remains more or less true. The problem with hitting that on someone that's as fast as Shanks that has FS + observation killing and can hide his presence is very very low, but it'll certainly be devastating if he hits.





Kidd will reach that level. All he needs is acoc + future sight.
I'm not trying to downplay your takes but this ridiculous. Observation is the least haki we see Kidd use, it'll make zero, yes zero sense for him to unlock that, compared to ACoC.

As I said before acoc + any of those Kidd attacks i mentioned is actually overkill. And with assign, its an insane combo. An ability big mom herself, couldn't negate.

Acoc + Fs, he'll actually be overpowered. And to top it off. His raw physical ability is mind blowing. If you remove all fruits from the supernovas, in raw physical ability, he is the strongest. He was matching Luffy in udon prison with ONE arm.

There's a reason why Oda didn't let Kidd actually have a full out a fight vs Shanks.
That would've downplayed Shanks, hence why he had to make a point about the fodder fleet and show him getting destroyed.

There's also a reason Oda had Kidd meet Shanks instead of BB. Imagine if Kidd had free hits vs BB like the fight Law had with him? BB isn't surving DP, Punk Crash or Corna Dio.

He will reach that level by the end of Elbaf.
Law got them kits thanks to his awakening, Kidd can't throw BB off of Doc Q's horse and once he hits the ground, darkness fruit and it's night night. This is another problem like where I see people say Zoro would've done better than Law, both can be true if they get free hits, but Law got that hit thanks to his fruit. Zoro can send a flying slash but they not invisible so it'll get countered. Kidd could use DP but either they can dodge or if I'm not wrong, BB can nullify upcoming attacks without touching the person. IF BB takes either of those Kidd attacks, he won't ve getting one shot but it'll certainly do a lot of damage, BB endurance is pretty good.
 
#37
I think we are indeed heading toward Shanks arc, Major islands all have Yonkos dominating it .

Whole cake -> big mom
Wano -> Kaido
Elbaf -> Shanks

So that leaves Blackbeard Oda will leave him for Laugh tale arc most likely or Final war .

So Elbaf could be Shanks's arc seeing how Loki mentions about him he is probably important figure in this arc . Maybe following things will happen .

Loki will be released by Luffy and Shanks get info Loki +Luffy are ganged making them enemy of Giants .
 
#38
Shanks gets neg diffed by Smoker.
As soon as there is any sort of smoke Shanks haki gets disabled and he becomes below mountain bandit level.
And water makes Shanks below weak ass sea king level.
Most nerfed character in the series.

Do you guys really want to see this lowlife?
 
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