Questions & Mysteries Was there someone who betrayed Joy Boy?

Erkan12

Erkan12

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Perhaps Joy Boy's vice-captain?

Remember Usopp telling everyone he is the vice-captain, as well as Oda's early concept arts had Usopp as official vice-captain:





Then at some point, Luffy and Usopp fought;



Perhaps same thing happened to Joy Boy and his vice-captain, but instead of reuniting, they go different ways.

Of course, the difference would be that Joy Boy's vice-captain was probably a lot more stronger, close to Joy Boy's level, Joy Boy won in a tough fight, or that more powerful vice-captain betrayed him without any fight, and their crews separated into 2 groups.
 
Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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I don't think someone necesarilly betrayed Joyboy, but they couldn't live up to Joyboy's task, and need Nika's help,

Joyboy said to Emeth "I will save you from the past, hasn't it always been like that?!" in a pose where he may have been happy and laughing,

Edit: Emeth also looked like he was agreeing and he was happy and relieved,


 
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milluki

milluki

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yes, i belive joyboy ruled over the ancient kingdom alongside a co-regent. nika and imu ruled it together, just as neko(mamushi) and inu(arashi) jointly ruled zou. joyboy ruled with imu, until imu betrayed him. the imu of this generaton, who might try to betray luffy, is not a strawhat, but an ally: law.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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milluki said:
yes, i belive joyboy ruled over the ancient kingdom alongside a co-regent. nika and imu ruled it together, just as neko(mamushi) and inu(arashi) jointly ruled zou. joyboy ruled with imu, until imu betrayed him. the imu of this generaton, who might try to betray luffy, is not a strawhat, but an ally: law.
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I was completely with you, until the last word.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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milluki said:
who do you have in mind then?
more than half a year ago i wrote a script about law being the imu of luffy's generation. i haven't edited it down yet. i plan to make a video, so i am quite sure of it.
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If you think Law will ever turn heel after his character arc turned him into Robin 2.0 at the end of Wano, then you should quit making analysis altogether.

I don't have anybody in mind for this generation's betrayal because I don't think Oda has built up anybody of importance to backstab Luffy. That should be the completion of the cycle.
Nika was alone, and traveled the world to make friends.
JoyBoy had a brother/co-prince/NTR enemy who ultimately backstabbed him.
Luffy has his crewmates and will let someone with good intentions rule in his stead were he to ever get the WG crown, likely Vivi.

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To elaborate, based on the arc formulas used so far.
We have day and night coregents on Zou --> Sun & Moon --> Nika & Yami Yami
We also have a local authoritarian character using a foreign powerhouse to obtain the throne, only to be then betrayed and killed by said powerhouse.
I believe both formulas to be direct parallels of what happened during the Void Century.

Meaning:
JoyBoy and BB's ancestor ruled jointly the AK.
But JB had no interest in royal matters, wanting instead to venture out at sea.
So he did.
Likely he left someone to rule in his stead his part of the AK (a third brother, a la Sabo?)
This rubbed BB's granddaddy the wrong way, but not wanting to appear publicly as the bad guy, he set up a foreign invasion led by Imu.
Imu dethroned JB's stand-in.
Imu & BB's granddaddy were now in charge.
Then Imu betrayed the Marshall, seizing complete power over the AK.
When JB heard about this, he returned to avenge his people.
At which point some fuckery happened within JB's own crew, leading to JB's defeat.
 
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milluki

milluki

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moreha9685 said:
If you think Law will ever turn heel after his character arc turned him into Robin 2.0 at the end of Wano, then you should quit making analysis altogether.

I don't have anybody in mind for this generation's betrayal because I don't think Oda has built up anybody of importance to backstab Luffy. That should be the completion of the cycle.
Nika was alone, and traveled the world to make friends.
JoyBoy had a brother/co-prince/NTR enemy who ultimately backstabbed him.
Luffy has his crewmates and will let someone with good intentions rule in his stead were he to ever get the WG crown, likely Vivi.
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it was a very common idea that law would betray luffy when they created an alliance against kaido. the people were right, just too early. i think law will first be turned into ace 2.0 (alongside barto). that will make the betrayal attempt later even worse, more hurtful.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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milluki said:
it was a very common idea that law would betray luffy when they created an alliance against kaido. the people were right, just too early. i think law will first be turned into ace 2.0 (alongside barto). that will make the betrayal attempt later even worse, more hurtful.
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Law's future is set in stone. Luffy is only interested in the PK title. Law will uncover the D. meaning.
 
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OykotsTreasure

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Personally, I think it'd be more interesting if Joyboy was the one who "betrayed" everyone else. From a certain point of view.

Joyboy might have wanted to do something dangerous or stupid or reckless that the rest of his crew didn't agree with, and they didn't even know about until the last minute RIGHT before he was going to do whatever it was. And then his crew all mutinied against him in order to stop him from doing it. Something that may have risked everyone's lives, in some way. A gamble that everyone else wasn't willing to take.

I mean, if Joyboy was anything like Luffy, he probably wouldn't bother to tell anyone else his plans or explain WHY he's doing what he's doing. If he even bothered to actually make any plans in the first place, and wasn't just going off gut-instinct the whole time.

I don't know if this is likely or not, but I just think it'd be a good twist. And it'd be a way to show us why it's important for all the Strawhats to trust Luffy and put their faith in him, even if he tries to do something REALLY dumb that could get literally EVERYONE killed.
 
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