Zoldycks vs Phantom Troupe

[RayanOO]

Who can win a fight between the two groups ?

For the Zoldycks : Silva, Zeno, Killua, Illumi, Kalluto, Milluki, Gotoh, Tsubone & Amane

For the Troupe : Chrollo, Uvo, Phinks, Feitan, Nobunaga, Franklin, Bono, Machi

Chrollo can only use the different hatsu he already used on screen, no prep time bullshit. No Alluka and no Maha for the Zoldycks, no Hisoka for the PT.

lets go !

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[Bullet]

Aren't the other Zoldycks pretty weak?
Illumi, Silva, Zeno and Killua are the only ones that can beat the PT members imo
I go with Chrollo and his gang.

 

[RayanOO]

Aren't the other Zoldycks pretty weak?

Kalluto is strong enough to be a PT herself

Yeah she is weaker than the other PT but he is no scrub i think

Gotoh and even more Tsubone are capable enough too, even if they loses it wont be a stomp fight against the weaker PT members. Tsubone portrayal was kinda good

 

[Warine]

I mean, there is not enough informations to debate, I feel like based on portrayal and what togashi might plan in the future, Zoldyck>Phantom troupe

 

[Salah WG]

We can't determine the Winner in such Nen Battle, but We can check which Team got more Power.
(I will not count Amane cuz She is neither a Zoldyck nor a Butler, just a Servant)

Zoldyck Top 3 > Phantom Troup Top 3 imo,
Whoever you think is 2nd & 3rd Strongest after Chrollo, but it's very Close ofc

Both Kalluto & Machi are Strong enough to be a Phantom Troupe Member but both are shown to be on the Weaker Side,
So i'm gonna treat them as same Value to both Teams

This leaves us with Killua & Milluki + Two Butlers versus Four Extremely Strong Phantom Troupe Members
(Any Four among Uvo, Nobunaga, Phinks, Feitan, Franklin & Bono are imo Superior Team than those remaining Zoldyck Four)

So Phantom Troupe seems to be Heavier Team here,
(But only cuz of Limited Members, Story-Wise, Zoldycks are still the Superior Threat)

 

[Warine]

It kind of hurts the Zoldyck side to remove maha because we know he is still active

 

[RayanOO]

It kind of hurts the Zoldyck side to remove maha because we know he is still active

Yeah but a Netero level threat would unbalance thing too much
And for now he is all talk no real feats so I think it’s better to exclude him to have a better match up

This leaves us with Killua & Milluki + Two Butlers versus Four Extremely Strong Phantom Troupe Members
(Any Four among Uvo, Nobunaga, Phinks, Feitan, Franklin & Bono are imo Superior Team than those remaining Zoldyck Four)

I think that Killua is at their level

But yeah Milluki Gotoh and Tsubone are weaker
And I agree too that strongest Zoldyck are stronger than the strongest PT on average

so it depends if the weaker member can keep up enough for the strongest member to win

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But Tsubone had real portrayal during the Alluka arc

I don’t think she is an easy fight at all

she was portrayed > Gotoh and Gotoh was not a scrub

 

[Salah WG]

Yeah but a Netero level threat would unbalance thing too much
And for now he is all talk no real feats so I think it’s better to exclude him to have a better match up



I think that Killua is at their level

But yeah Milluki Gotoh and Tsubone are weaker
And I agree too that strongest Zoldyck are stronger than the strongest PT on average

so it depends if the weaker member can keep up enough for the strongest member to win

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But Tsubone had real portrayal during the Alluka arc

I don’t think she is an easy fight at all

she was portrayed > Gotoh and Gotoh was not a scrub

I think there is quiet a long way to get from Gotoh to Characters who are comparable to Phantom Troup Top Members

Gotoh is Strong, no doubt about that, but i don't see him on Level of Pro Hunters like Morel (Who even Pitou wanted to Fight),
And Morel was Confirmed to be Weaker than Zodiacs (Kanzai for example, not likes of Ging)

Hisoka's Rating showed us that Average Zodiac & probably most of them are interesting fights but not quiet up there, Kanzai for example was Rated 85, while Illumi was Rated 95 which is Big Difference (Hisoka's Reaction also showed how They aren't considered on same Power Level)

Those Top Phantom Troupes are clearly comparable to Illumi (Even if you consider them Weaker like i do), i don't think likes of Butlers stand a chance against them, it's just that in a Nen Battle, anyone can be a Threat if they play their Cards right & are Smart

Killua & Tsubone can 100% keep up, but Milluki is Featless Nen-Wise & is Physically much Inferior, while Gotoh would get Killed quickly imo, they outmatch him in both offence & defense

 

[NAMELESS]

It's hard to power scale in HxH cause nen abilities are complex. I think the Phantom troop has the edge, Chrollo is basically a swiss army knife.

 

[Charlie]

I mean, other than Silva, Zeno, Illumi and Killua, are Zoldycks really a threat? It feels like they're outnumbered. Maybe if it was them 4 vs top 4 spiders, they'd have a chance

 

[Mathias]

This made me realize Zoldycks are not that strong for a notorious world-class assassins family.

It's a 9 vs 8 btw.

But no prep Chrollo looks like dead Chrollo in a fight against Zeno & Silva.

Troupe is cooked

 

[MonsterKaido]

Hmm hard to say. Not sure who wins between chrollo and zeno tbh. Chrollo need to prep a lot in order to kill hisoka.

Without prep it can go either way. Depends on setting and arena of the fight. In an open settings it's a tie. If it happens in heaven's arena , chrollo wins.

Not sure who is stronger between uvo and silva. Uvo is underrated because kurapika beat him but uvo is a damn monster. Big bang punch is pretty powerful. Let's say tie.

Illumi has portrayal to be around hisoka but honestly he hasn't shown that impressive feats yet. By feats feitan wins.

Killua is tricky. Can he beat phinks in limited time limit of the lightning mode? 50/50.

Rest fights phantom troupe win I will say.

Overall I am giving the win to phantom troupe for now.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Depends on the hatsu Chrollo has. As it is always with any troupe vs matchups.

 

[RayanOO]

I will not count Amane

I added Amane in this fight because we needed someone to pilot or use Tsubone objects

Not sure who is stronger between uvo and silva. Uvo is underrated because kurapika beat him but uvo is a damn monster. Big bang punch is pretty powerful. Let's say tie.

I bet on Silva all day

the daddy of the Zoldyck is extremely likely a monster

outside of chrollo i don’t see anyone in the PT beating Silva (or Zeno)

And Morel was Confirmed to be Weaker than Zodiacs (Kanzai for example, not likes of Ging)

I don’t feel like Morel is that much below the Zodiac or at all

You have some Zodiac with 77 points and other like Ging who are likely even stronger than Hisoka over 100 points etc. Morel should be at least into the 70 given his mastery and feats.

You also have Feitan one of the strongest PT member who fought Zazan a strong squadron leader and it wasn’t an easy fight. And you have Morel who himself is saying that he is not a real fighter who fought and beat 2 squadron leaders : Leol and Cheetu

You can think Zazan is stronger than them and why not but she wasn’t far stronger than Leol who was portrayed as a big squadron leader.

I know Feitan and co said he wasn’t performing at his peak but it still showed fighting a squadron leader wasn’t an easy task at all for a good PT member. It’s lik Feitan wouldn’t have roll over Zazan

So all in all I think Morel would be a good PT member and among the strong one.

but lol I think I am going too far from the original goal of the thread

I agree completely that Gotoh is below Morel and Zodiac who are (for most of them) below Hisoka/Illumi

i don't think likes of Butlers stand a chance against them

i agree that Gotoh or Milluki should be killed mid diff at worst against the weaker PT

Like Franklin vs Gotoh in a pistol duel I think Franklin can win and not in a hard fight.Franklin is Gotoh but better

Milluki is a genius computer wise so maybe he has some tools who don’t know about it an hardy that is hax as fuck

Tsubone can likely be a great fight for a middle class PT

 

[MonsterKaido]

I bet on Silva all day

the daddy of the Zoldyck is extremely likely a monster

outside of chrollo i don’t see anyone in the PT beating Silva (or Zeno)

Hisoka is bit debatable. If you don't count hisoka , then I agree mostly though uvo should be able to hold his own against silva.

 

[Salah WG]

I don’t feel like Morel is that much below the Zodiac or at all

You have some Zodiac with 77 points and other like Ging who are likely even stronger than Hisoka over 100 points etc. Morel should be at least into the 70 given his mastery and feats.

You also have Feitan one of the strongest PT member who fought Zazan a strong squadron leader and it wasn’t an easy fight. And you have Morel who himself is saying that he is not a real fighter who fought and beat 2 squadron leaders : Leol and Cheetu

You can think Zazan is stronger than them and why not but she wasn’t far stronger than Leol who was portrayed as a big squadron leader.

I know Feitan and co said he wasn’t performing at his peak but it still showed fighting a squadron leader wasn’t an easy task at all for a good PT member. It’s lik Feitan wouldn’t have roll over Zazan

So all in all I think Morel would be a good PT member and among the strong one.

but lol I think I am going too far from the original goal of the thread

I agree completely that Gotoh is below Morel and Zodiac who are (for most of them) below Hisoka/Illumi

As i said before, anything can happen in a Nen Fight, many factors to consider, your type, your intellect, your stats, your preparation, how your abilities interact, knowledge ... etc

So i don't use Fight Difficulty to determine Power Levels,
I didn't put Morel below Zodiacs because i felt it, nor did i say that He can't join Phantom Troupe, He obviously proved himself, otherwise Netero wouldn't take him, He is also Master of Two Strong Hunters & as i mentioned above, Pitou was excited to Fight him

I put him there because that's what Kanzai & Zodiacs implied, They put him & Knov below them (Kanzai said it for example), that's the whole point of Zodiacs Team, They represent best Pro Hunters on Netero's Side

Hisoka saw many Pro Hunters voting & their Score doesn't surpass 50, He himself said that He should just fight Zodiacs then (even though their Scores were still disappointing for him), so 77 is actually Huge compared to Pro Hunters in general, otherwise Netero wouldn't choose them

And Morel himself said "I'm not a Fighter" + "I work best as a Support",
He said that He doesn't consider himself Strong, He was only chosen by Netero because of the way He plans & He was close to him, and that his Specialty is the Sea, which also answer your question regarding his Squadron Leader Fight, as it was basically a Sea Fight against Leol

Morel is an Excellent Support & Great Planner & reliable Pro Hunter, but He isn't up there with Top Combat Specialists & Assassins, the Stronger Half of Phantom Troupe can definitely give Illumi a run for his money & are Superior than Morel

But i gotta say that aside from Chrollo, Phantom Troupe can't deal with Zeno or Silva or even Illumi in my opinion,
Even Chrollo is questionable

 

[SkySanji]

Amane, Milluki and Tsubone (she has no solid feats, just decent portrayal) are too weak to compete here, even if the Zoldyck have the stronger top fighters, those three are just dead weight.

 

[Welkin]

The Zoldyck’s don’t have enough heavy hitters

Switch out 2 PT members with Shizuku and Kortopi and maybe they could win

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

Considering the characters available, the PT should take this. Chrollo alone could hold his own against Silva and Zeno (with Zeno admittedly risking his own life) and he has the numbers in his advantage. I feel that the likes of Uvo and Franklin will wipe the floors with the weaker members of Zoldycks's side (Gotoh, who's probably the strongest there, is basically a poor man's Franklin IMO. Tsubone has good portrayal, but she's a support nen user). Even if Silva goes against Chrollo on his own, Zeno, Illumi and Killua will probably be overwhelmed by Feitan, Phinks, Nobunaga, Bonolenov and Machi (+ Uvo, if Franklin can kill all the weaker members alone).

However, if we have everyone for both teams (including Hisoka for the PT), I think that it would go differently. Hisoka would surely be a nice addition for the PT, but I don't think that Shizuku, Shalnark, Kortopi and Pakunoda would make that much of a difference. Maha can possibly be too much for the PT, but nothing indicates that he's still on Netero's level. Even then, he would probably still be able to tip the scales in the Zoldycks' favor. Moreover, the Zoldycks got a ridiculous amount of butlers (all of them probably weaker than Gotoh, but the numbers would help) and Kikyo, who's probably a proficient nen user herself.

 

[roronoa_fan]

I have for myself that Silva > Chrollo > Zeno > other spiders = Illumi > other Zoldycks

We know what a Zoldyck's potential is, Netero was highlighted by Zeno for having survived Maha and he is probably the one who went with Netero and returned from the Dark Continent. Netero even preferred to hire Zeno to separate Meruem instead of calling a hunter.

That said, by numbers, I believe PT would win.

Even if Silva leaves Chrollo occupied and Zeno and Illumi two other spiders, the rest for me are considerably weaker and soon it would be 2 spiders against each of the 3 remaining Zoldycks.