Questions & Mysteries People who should not have coc?
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Probably toss up between sengoku and yamato
Sengoku is what the illiterate ones accuse Kizaru being off, a literal salaryman.
Yamato is an unironic 30 year old neet that takes 0 responsibility and larps as oden. Like if she read in the diary oden would jump into the sea to die she would do it
However, given that a lot of statements about coc are pre-ts does mean, like most haki things probably retconned anyway I guess
Sengoku is what the illiterate ones accuse Kizaru being off, a literal salaryman.
Yamato is an unironic 30 year old neet that takes 0 responsibility and larps as oden. Like if she read in the diary oden would jump into the sea to die she would do it
However, given that a lot of statements about coc are pre-ts does mean, like most haki things probably retconned anyway I guess
I'm of two minds: I think CoC is either too prevalent or not prevalent enough.
As for what constitutes being a Conqueror, imo it has nothing to do with the ambitions of titles or dominion over others.
imo the reason people like Luffy, Don Chinjao and other odd ducks are Conquerors is because they're odd ducks. Their conquest is life itself. They live life on their own terms, and only their own terms. For good or ill, they are, by nature, unreasonable people.
Luffy equates Pirate King with being the freest person in the world. What is that if not conquering life itself?
On that basis, I didn't need Zoro to become King of Hell to unlock CoC because that man, much like his captain, is such an unreasonable person in the manner he pursues his life's goals.
Yamato literally chose another identity. They defied motherfucking KAIDOU to live life on their terms, regardless of the consequences. That's more than bravery, that's that same quality of unreasonableness Luffy and other CoC users possess.
Extending this quality of unreasonablenes (which I would say qualifies as the quality of a king if you want to look at it that) pretty much includes everyone that already has it, and there are several characters I can think of that could and perhaps even should have it.
In any event, I would prefer CoC not to be genetic or restricted to the "chosen ones" or whatever. I don't like that shit any more than I like G5.
As for what constitutes being a Conqueror, imo it has nothing to do with the ambitions of titles or dominion over others.
imo the reason people like Luffy, Don Chinjao and other odd ducks are Conquerors is because they're odd ducks. Their conquest is life itself. They live life on their own terms, and only their own terms. For good or ill, they are, by nature, unreasonable people.
Luffy equates Pirate King with being the freest person in the world. What is that if not conquering life itself?
On that basis, I didn't need Zoro to become King of Hell to unlock CoC because that man, much like his captain, is such an unreasonable person in the manner he pursues his life's goals.
Yamato literally chose another identity. They defied motherfucking KAIDOU to live life on their terms, regardless of the consequences. That's more than bravery, that's that same quality of unreasonableness Luffy and other CoC users possess.
Extending this quality of unreasonablenes (which I would say qualifies as the quality of a king if you want to look at it that) pretty much includes everyone that already has it, and there are several characters I can think of that could and perhaps even should have it.
In any event, I would prefer CoC not to be genetic or restricted to the "chosen ones" or whatever. I don't like that shit any more than I like G5.
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What Sanji did in WCI was similar to Oden dancing, he was forced to do that for saving his family but was never ok with it.
Sanji was also forced to be Okama in Kamabakka but then he showed superior will and overcome it, and refused to be Okama by beating all of them.
He also overcome Judge, basically the only siblings who didn't lose his personality.
Sanji was also forced to be Okama in Kamabakka but then he showed superior will and overcome it, and refused to be Okama by beating all of them.
He also overcome Judge, basically the only siblings who didn't lose his personality.
Ummm yes he has? And we literally see Sanji and multiple other straw hats never lose faith in Luffy no matter what happens and shows that they’d rather let themselves die than sacrifice Luffys dream like the Kid pirates.
Also at this point I have to wonder if you even read WCI cause Sanji only agreed to any of WCI to save Zeff because he wasn’t going to make Luffy stop his dream and journey to protect Zeff from the BMP and because of Sanji didn’t his hands would be destroyed so he’d never be allowed to cook again. At no point did it have anything to do with lack of faith in Luffy. Like… that shit was written out pretty plain as day.
Also at this point I have to wonder if you even read WCI cause Sanji only agreed to any of WCI to save Zeff because he wasn’t going to make Luffy stop his dream and journey to protect Zeff from the BMP and because of Sanji didn’t his hands would be destroyed so he’d never be allowed to cook again. At no point did it have anything to do with lack of faith in Luffy. Like… that shit was written out pretty plain as day.
Heat didn’t sacrifice Kid’s dream
Kid destroyed his dream himself by fighting Shanks when he wasn’t ready. Heat literally had no options, Shanks was aboard his ship and everyone even capable of facing him got 1 shot.
If he didn’t lack faith in Luffy, he would have asked for Luffy’s help at the very start
Kid destroyed his dream himself by fighting Shanks when he wasn’t ready. Heat literally had no options, Shanks was aboard his ship and everyone even capable of facing him got 1 shot.
If he didn’t lack faith in Luffy, he would have asked for Luffy’s help at the very start
Luffy himself cares more about the crew than his dream. He would sacrifice his dream to save the crew.
Do you unironically think Luffy would be okay with the SHs dying over the poneglyph?
Yeah and when Luffy showed up to save him, he attacked him and told him to go away
Do you unironically think Luffy would be okay with the SHs dying over the poneglyph?
Luffy wasn’t even fucking there lmao he was still in Dressrosa
Luffy wouldn’t sacrifice his dream for his crew. Luffy would literally never do that cause his dream is his crews dream and each and every one of them would rather die than make Luffy sacrifice his dream. That’s the difference between a true conqueror and someone with lofty goals like Kid or Krieg. Luffy would respect their choices just like he did with Zoro challenging Mihawk.
You mean when Sanjis hands were put in bomb cuffs and Nami and Chopper surrounded by gun wielding soldiers and all of Germa 66? With Judge watching Sanji and if he showed the slightest bit of loyalty to Luffy Judge was going to explode Sanjis hands destroying his ability to cook which is his dream and passion and role on the crew? Like. What the fuck did you want him to do? Let Nami and Chopper die, sacrifice his dream, and then let Luffy be at the mercy of Judge and all the Germa siblings just to end up kidnapped and forcibly married again?
Maybe you should actually have read the arc.
You mean when Sanjis hands were put in bomb cuffs and Nami and Chopper surrounded by gun wielding soldiers and all of Germa 66? With Judge watching Sanji and if he showed the slightest bit of loyalty to Luffy Judge was going to explode Sanjis hands destroying his ability to cook which is his dream and passion and role on the crew? Like. What the fuck did you want him to do? Let Nami and Chopper die, sacrifice his dream, and then let Luffy be at the mercy of Judge and all the Germa siblings just to end up kidnapped and forcibly married again?
Maybe you should actually have read the arc.
I don't see why sacrifice should disqualify someone when we've seen Conquerors willing to lay down their lives for others.
The will to risk everything to have it their way is like the defining trait of Conquerors. Even cowardly ones like Black Beard.
imo Sanji should have it because he's no less of an unreasonable freak than Zoro or Yamato. I'd also want Chopper to be the fifth and last member of the crew to have CoC but that's a post that might need its own thread.
The will to risk everything to have it their way is like the defining trait of Conquerors. Even cowardly ones like Black Beard.
imo Sanji should have it because he's no less of an unreasonable freak than Zoro or Yamato. I'd also want Chopper to be the fifth and last member of the crew to have CoC but that's a post that might need its own thread.