Spoiler General Kingdom Spoiler
- Thread starter Guan Yu
- Start date
- Tags cruzeiro > your fav team kaneki & mutin kouen > all ousen ousen>cruzeiro riboku>ousen shin > ouhon wingdom
I was hoping to see another version of ancient urban warfare.
It seemed wasteful for Hara to first try to hype up the Han capital, then have the two states settle their differences in a traditional land war (where the advantage was completely on the Qin side).
Hara kept to his old style, always describing the enemy's army outnumbering Qin's, then having Qin turn the tables. But repeating this writing style so many times made it lose its appeal to the reader. The story started to get boring.
It seemed wasteful for Hara to first try to hype up the Han capital, then have the two states settle their differences in a traditional land war (where the advantage was completely on the Qin side).
Hara kept to his old style, always describing the enemy's army outnumbering Qin's, then having Qin turn the tables. But repeating this writing style so many times made it lose its appeal to the reader. The story started to get boring.
Raku hype 
Kanto hype
Hard to say. Kingdom was consistently great for the first ~650 chapters. Hara’s earned a lot of patience and good will on my end, especially given the fact I haven’t paid a dime for the material.
Hango is the first and only arc I hate and find irredeemably bad. The others are either undercooked, poorly executed or start strong and go downhill thereafter.
I think the line to drop it is when the manga stops being interesting to me. That’s a high threshold given the subject material, but if I come to point where I have more to complain about than find interesting that’s when I’ll know it just ain’t for me anymore.
There are still flashes of the Kingdom I love in this. Certain chapters and moments that make me hopeful Hara is just picking up the pace to get to the stuff he wants to cover in more detail, but we’ll see.
Nah, that doesn’t even register with me. Over 50% of the HSU should be inexperienced conscripts, I doubt ROM has close to that many under his command. Also it’s just training, and we know them Ou Ki Army boys are more than a little insane on that front.
Hango is the first and only arc I hate and find irredeemably bad. The others are either undercooked, poorly executed or start strong and go downhill thereafter.
I think the line to drop it is when the manga stops being interesting to me. That’s a high threshold given the subject material, but if I come to point where I have more to complain about than find interesting that’s when I’ll know it just ain’t for me anymore.
There are still flashes of the Kingdom I love in this. Certain chapters and moments that make me hopeful Hara is just picking up the pace to get to the stuff he wants to cover in more detail, but we’ll see.
Nah, that doesn’t even register with me. Over 50% of the HSU should be inexperienced conscripts, I doubt ROM has close to that many under his command. Also it’s just training, and we know them Ou Ki Army boys are more than a little insane on that front.
Last edited:
Although I'm gonna take a 4-5 year break for the manga to stack up 150-200 chapters atleast so I can replicate the chapter 1 to Sai reading experience again. From what I've read up till now with this arc, I think the writing has been perfectly fine.
Reality is Hara has atleast 10+ major wars to write still some of them will be major arcs, due to the nature of the characters and scales involved. I don't think expecting some mindblowing tactics every arc will be realistic. BUT, I'm also somebody who had 0 issues with Hango arc being what it was and consider it 9/10. The shift in this arc being focused more on the "unification" aspect than the conquest, I think it's been doing superb.
I do however fear Kingdom fandom will eventually turn into One Piece fandom, where people will gawk over pre-TS (aka pre-Shukai) and just bash the ongoing even if the writing is getting better. And people over exaggerating shit to run agendas and creating toxicity for themselves when reading the series.
Not to say Hara's writing is flawless, I don't think anyone's is. But imo, from ending of Shukai to now has been better than ending of coalition to the start of Shukai, excluding the Ryofui political storyline.
[automerge]1732145734[/automerge]
Historically, Qin was the only superstate due to Ei Sei' grandpapi, there was no chu superstate.
In the manga, Qin was considered in the "upper tier" alongside Chu, but only Chu was considered the superstate.
As to whether Qin is a superstate right now like the Chu...I mean Qin's new territory is something they just got vs Chu which had established its large territory for atleast 2 decades now.
In military prowess I would reckon Chu is still the more powerful state, but they can't focus on Qin due to whatever the fuck is keeping Kouen busy.
[automerge]1732146985[/automerge]
@God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea
If you reread the line from Coalition. "the southern battlelines", it wasn't stated in past tense implies imo during the coalition they were still having ongoing issues with the Baiyue people. And also implied Chu was going into their territories. Adding on to that when we see Karin possessing Elephants, it's very possible Chu has been focused on southern expansion and connections.
Likelihood is they still have ongoing issues with the Baiyue people right now, hence Kouen isn't available and why Chu aren't as aggressive as they'd want to be. Especially when considering...
Qin literally sent a 500k+ army post-unification to deal with them and initially failed lol.
Especially you have Moubu +200k ready to go to war with them, then there's also the Wei fiasco, adding on to them, their archnemesis the Baiyue people who they've been in war with for ages now. Essentially setting up a fiasco of a 3-way war.
But yea, MORE THAN LIKELY, the Baiyue people with southern expansion ambitions will be the reason used to justify Kouen not moving/doing anything against Qin right now.
Reality is Hara has atleast 10+ major wars to write still some of them will be major arcs, due to the nature of the characters and scales involved. I don't think expecting some mindblowing tactics every arc will be realistic. BUT, I'm also somebody who had 0 issues with Hango arc being what it was and consider it 9/10. The shift in this arc being focused more on the "unification" aspect than the conquest, I think it's been doing superb.
I do however fear Kingdom fandom will eventually turn into One Piece fandom, where people will gawk over pre-TS (aka pre-Shukai) and just bash the ongoing even if the writing is getting better. And people over exaggerating shit to run agendas and creating toxicity for themselves when reading the series.
Not to say Hara's writing is flawless, I don't think anyone's is. But imo, from ending of Shukai to now has been better than ending of coalition to the start of Shukai, excluding the Ryofui political storyline.
[automerge]1732145734[/automerge]
Just to be clear, wasn’t Qin also considered a superstate at this point of time?
by 230 BC (aka now in manga) both Qin and Chu held the most territory and most manpower in China.
by 230 BC (aka now in manga) both Qin and Chu held the most territory and most manpower in China.
In the manga, Qin was considered in the "upper tier" alongside Chu, but only Chu was considered the superstate.
As to whether Qin is a superstate right now like the Chu...I mean Qin's new territory is something they just got vs Chu which had established its large territory for atleast 2 decades now.
In military prowess I would reckon Chu is still the more powerful state, but they can't focus on Qin due to whatever the fuck is keeping Kouen busy.
[automerge]1732146985[/automerge]
@God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea
If you reread the line from Coalition. "the southern battlelines", it wasn't stated in past tense implies imo during the coalition they were still having ongoing issues with the Baiyue people. And also implied Chu was going into their territories. Adding on to that when we see Karin possessing Elephants, it's very possible Chu has been focused on southern expansion and connections.
Likelihood is they still have ongoing issues with the Baiyue people right now, hence Kouen isn't available and why Chu aren't as aggressive as they'd want to be. Especially when considering...
Qin literally sent a 500k+ army post-unification to deal with them and initially failed lol.
Especially you have Moubu +200k ready to go to war with them, then there's also the Wei fiasco, adding on to them, their archnemesis the Baiyue people who they've been in war with for ages now. Essentially setting up a fiasco of a 3-way war.
But yea, MORE THAN LIKELY, the Baiyue people with southern expansion ambitions will be the reason used to justify Kouen not moving/doing anything against Qin right now.
Last edited:
Although I'm gonna take a 4-5 year break for the manga to stack up 150-200 chapters atleast so I can replicate the chapter 1 to Sai reading experience again. From what I've read up till now with this arc, I think the writing has been perfectly fine.
Reality is Hara has atleast 10+ major wars to write still some of them will be major arcs, due to the nature of the characters and scales involved. I don't think expecting some mindblowing tactics every arc will be realistic. BUT, I'm also somebody who had 0 issues with Hango arc being what it was and consider it 9/10. The shift in this arc being focused more on the "unification" aspect than the conquest, I think it's been doing superb.
I do however fear Kingdom fandom will eventually turn into One Piece fandom, where people will gawk over pre-TS (aka pre-Shukai) and just bash the ongoing even if the writing is getting better. And people over exaggerating shit to run agendas and creating toxicity for themselves when reading the series.
Not to say Hara's writing is flawless, I don't think anyone's is. But imo, from ending of Shukai to now has been better than ending of coalition to the start of Shukai, excluding the Ryofui political storyline.
[automerge]1732145734[/automerge]
Historically, Qin was the only superstate due to Ei Sei' grandpapi, there was no chu superstate.
In the manga, Qin was considered in the "upper tier" alongside Chu, but only Chu was considered the superstate.
As to whether Qin is a superstate right now like the Chu...I mean Qin's new territory is something they just got vs Chu which had established its large territory for atleast 2 decades now.
In military prowess I would reckon Chu is still the more powerful state, but they can't focus on Qin due to whatever the fuck is keeping Kouen busy.
[automerge]1732146985[/automerge]
@God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea
If you reread the line from Coalition. "the southern battlelines", it wasn't stated in past tense implies imo during the coalition they were still having ongoing issues with the Baiyue people. And also implied Chu was going into their territories. Adding on to that when we see Karin possessing Elephants, it's very possible Chu has been focused on southern expansion and connections.
Likelihood is they still have ongoing issues with the Baiyue people right now, hence Kouen isn't available and why Chu aren't as aggressive as they'd want to be. Especially when considering...
Qin literally sent a 500k+ army post-unification to deal with them and initially failed lol.
Especially you have Moubu +200k ready to go to war with them, then there's also the Wei fiasco, adding on to them, their archnemesis the Baiyue people who they've been in war with for ages now. Essentially setting up a fiasco of a 3-way war.
But yea, MORE THAN LIKELY, the Baiyue people with southern expansion ambitions will be the reason used to justify Kouen not moving/doing anything against Qin right now.
Reality is Hara has atleast 10+ major wars to write still some of them will be major arcs, due to the nature of the characters and scales involved. I don't think expecting some mindblowing tactics every arc will be realistic. BUT, I'm also somebody who had 0 issues with Hango arc being what it was and consider it 9/10. The shift in this arc being focused more on the "unification" aspect than the conquest, I think it's been doing superb.
I do however fear Kingdom fandom will eventually turn into One Piece fandom, where people will gawk over pre-TS (aka pre-Shukai) and just bash the ongoing even if the writing is getting better. And people over exaggerating shit to run agendas and creating toxicity for themselves when reading the series.
Not to say Hara's writing is flawless, I don't think anyone's is. But imo, from ending of Shukai to now has been better than ending of coalition to the start of Shukai, excluding the Ryofui political storyline.
[automerge]1732145734[/automerge]
Historically, Qin was the only superstate due to Ei Sei' grandpapi, there was no chu superstate.
In the manga, Qin was considered in the "upper tier" alongside Chu, but only Chu was considered the superstate.
As to whether Qin is a superstate right now like the Chu...I mean Qin's new territory is something they just got vs Chu which had established its large territory for atleast 2 decades now.
In military prowess I would reckon Chu is still the more powerful state, but they can't focus on Qin due to whatever the fuck is keeping Kouen busy.
[automerge]1732146985[/automerge]
@God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea
If you reread the line from Coalition. "the southern battlelines", it wasn't stated in past tense implies imo during the coalition they were still having ongoing issues with the Baiyue people. And also implied Chu was going into their territories. Adding on to that when we see Karin possessing Elephants, it's very possible Chu has been focused on southern expansion and connections.
Likelihood is they still have ongoing issues with the Baiyue people right now, hence Kouen isn't available and why Chu aren't as aggressive as they'd want to be. Especially when considering...
Qin literally sent a 500k+ army post-unification to deal with them and initially failed lol.
Especially you have Moubu +200k ready to go to war with them, then there's also the Wei fiasco, adding on to them, their archnemesis the Baiyue people who they've been in war with for ages now. Essentially setting up a fiasco of a 3-way war.
But yea, MORE THAN LIKELY, the Baiyue people with southern expansion ambitions will be the reason used to justify Kouen not moving/doing anything against Qin right now.
But...it's probably also a plot thing, lol. Given the immense problems Riboku has given Qin, if Hara had Kouen also thrown out there before "his" time, possibly even allying with Riboku, Qin would be in unbelievably deep shit.
In retrospect, Hou Ken’s involvement in Shukai was the first crack in the dam.
He shoulda never been there, yet Hara appeared to have decided to kill him off because he didn’t know what else there was left to do with him, and I think it’s no coincidence he made comments in an interview at the time about how much he wanted to cover after Shukai.
He shoulda never been there, yet Hara appeared to have decided to kill him off because he didn’t know what else there was left to do with him, and I think it’s no coincidence he made comments in an interview at the time about how much he wanted to cover after Shukai.
I think Hou Ken should've some howsummoned Shin to settle their shit, either after Shukai or after the fall of Zhao.
Just picture him strolling into some village, kill a bunch of people to hold it hostage and then send a terrified messenger to find Shin at Gyou or Kantan with a simple message.
Shin would probably still arrive with an entourage, or key members would follow him afterwards to bear witness.
Just picture him strolling into some village, kill a bunch of people to hold it hostage and then send a terrified messenger to find Shin at Gyou or Kantan with a simple message.
Shin would probably still arrive with an entourage, or key members would follow him afterwards to bear witness.
Entropy comes for us all, even works of fiction. 
This is why stories should stop while they're still good, otherwise they risk falling into stagnation, decay, shitty ass writing or being left unfinished.
This is why stories should stop while they're still good, otherwise they risk falling into stagnation, decay, shitty ass writing or being left unfinished.
Fewer but better (read more detailed) campaigns and battles would’ve been better. Not spending 700 chapters on a single state.
I would’ve been content with the Coalition War arc being the only one to reach 100 chapters.
I should answer this as well since I haven't been responding to any Kingdom threads for the last couple of weeks.
But mainly it's tough to wait week after week for a new chapter to come out for a story with pacing that crawls at a snail's pace comparable to that of One Piece.
Someone can wait an entire year for at least 50 chapters to come out for Kingdom and then they can marathon it in the span of a single day, and it can easily be done since Kingdom is by far miles ahead of any recent manga that came and went this decade.
But mainly it's tough to wait week after week for a new chapter to come out for a story with pacing that crawls at a snail's pace comparable to that of One Piece.
Someone can wait an entire year for at least 50 chapters to come out for Kingdom and then they can marathon it in the span of a single day, and it can easily be done since Kingdom is by far miles ahead of any recent manga that came and went this decade.
This is why I never got into Hajime. I strongly suspect it would have great appeal to me, but I am a big believer in endings and leaving the audience wanting more.
That ride seems to never want to stop. Same with Jojo, though that’s easier to follow with the anime being a fun time.
It reads as though you still very much enjoy Kingdom and don’t think it’s actually declined.
They asked me cause I’ve been bitching and complaining for the better part of year straight.
That ride seems to never want to stop. Same with Jojo, though that’s easier to follow with the anime being a fun time.
It reads as though you still very much enjoy Kingdom and don’t think it’s actually declined.
They asked me cause I’ve been bitching and complaining for the better part of year straight.