I don't remember her having any pro-palestinian stance.
She was always against stopping arming Israel. There is no "puppet", there is simply people who are ideologically biased no to change their mind on this conflict.
He would have far more chances to makes Harris change her viewpoint than Trump, now Palestinians are screwed. Thanks to those who voted him in power.
There is blood on the hands of Trump voters as they clearly expressed the refusal to do something against the help toward Israel.
If I may recommend it Logiko you should try reading a bit of what is property, it is really fun,
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Disregard then, reader, my title and my character, and attend only to my arguments. It is in accordance with universal consent that I undertake to correct universal error; from the opinion of the human race I appeal to its faith. Have the courage to follow me; and, if your will is untrammelled, if your conscience is free, if your mind can unite two propositions and deduce a third therefrom, my ideas will inevitably become yours. In beginning by giving you my last word, it was my purpose to warn you, not to defy you; for I am certain that, if you read me, you will be compelled to assent. The things of which I am to speak are so simple and clear that you will be astonished at not having perceived them before, and you will say: “I have neglected to think.” Others offer you the spectacle of genius wresting Nature’s secrets from her, and unfolding before you her sublime messages; you will find here only a series of experiments upon justice and right a sort of verification of the weights and measures of your conscience. The operations shall be conducted under your very eyes; and you shall weigh the result.
Nevertheless, I build no system. I ask an end to privilege, the abolition of slavery, equality of rights, and the reign of law. Justice, nothing else; that is the alpha and omega of my argument: to others I leave the business of governing the world.",
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Whether I end up agreeing with it or not, I have not read very much of it yet, it is really fun,
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My mind was frightened by this strange result: I doubted my reason. What! said I, that which eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor insight penetrated, you have discovered!
Wretch, mistake not the visions of your diseased brain for the truths of science! Do you not know (great philosophers have said so) that in points of practical morality universal error is a contradiction?
I resolved then to test my arguments; and in entering upon this new labor I sought an answer to the following questions: Is it possible that humanity can have been so long and so universally mistaken in the application of moral principles? How and why could it be mistaken? How can its error, being universal, be capable of correction?
These questions, on the solution of which depended the certainty of my conclusions, offered no lengthy resistance to analysis. It will be seen, in chapter V. of this work, that in morals, as in all other branches of knowledge, the gravest errors are the dogmas of science; that, even in works of justice, to be mistaken is a privilege which ennobles man; and that whatever philosophical merit may attach to me is infinitely small. To name a thing is easy: the difficulty is to discern it before its appearance. In giving expression to the last stage of an idea, — an idea which permeates all minds, which to-morrow will be proclaimed by another if I fail to announce it to-day, — I can claim no merit save that of priority of utterance. Do we eulogize the man who first perceives the dawn? ",
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"Reader, calm yourself: I am no agent of discord, no firebrand of sedition. I anticipate history by a few days; I disclose a truth whose development we may try in vain to arrest; I write the preamble of our future constitution. This proposition which seems to you blasphemous — property is robbery — would, if our prejudices allowed us to consider it, be recognized as the lightning-rod to shield us from the coming thunderbolt; but too many interests stand in the way! ... Alas! philosophy will not change the course of events: destiny will fulfill itself regardless of prophecy. Besides, must not justice be done and our education be finished?",
Don't worry about the staff, they will do their job. And don't worry about the reports, they are perfectly normal. It's time that anti-democrats and problematic people understand that they are not welcomed in normal and safe spaces and their hurtfull rethoric is not ok.
Oh no, another gaslighting attempt. Not that I'm surprised since this is par for the course.
You do realize that these constant reports and attempted removal directed towards those labeled "anti-democrats" make the Bluesky userbase just as anti-democratic, right?
Depending on the accounts that are getting banned from these reports, the moderation team is either doing their job of cleaning up (if these reports are against bots, spam, etc), or basically removing and blocking anyone that don't have views that align with the "supposed majority" of the userbase.
Basically an echo chamber like Trump's Truth social
Gaslighting ? No. Simply the facts. Report in Bluesky are done toward people of the far right who comes from twitter expecting that they will be able to spread their hatefull rethoric without consequence. Too bad.. that's not how it happens.
You do realize that these constant reports and attempted removal directed towards those labeled "anti-democrats" make the Bluesky userbase just as anti-democratic, right?
I think you don't understand that being intolerant with the far right is not anti-democratic. It's like being intolerant with fascism, it's just normal in a sane society.
People who want to be hateful an anti-democratic have their space. Xwitter. Don't expect people to just welcome them in a place where hateful rethoric is not allowed and where people are literally trying to get away from them.
Depending on the accounts that are getting banned from these reports, the moderation team is either doing their job of cleaning up (if these reports are against bots, spam, etc), or basically removing and blocking anyone that don't have views that align with the "supposed majority" of the userbase.
Nah. They are doing their job following the rules of the site.
No more, no less. You have been tricked into thinking that the moderation on twitter was done rightly, it does not. If Xwitter was doing its job correctly, people would not try to leave it.
Nah. On bluesky you can find liberals and leftist. Those are literally political ennemy so trust me that it's not an echo chamber at all, it's just a safer place for anyone.
I'm not reffering to republicans here, twitter is so filled with nazis it is crazy how easy it is to find, just search that word in, it can not be tolerated and twitter must either completely change or die off,
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I think no matter what happens in the future, this issue will be remembered as a big piece of evidence for the disgustingness filth of what those with the most money promote and allow,
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Not even an issue of "Hey want to change the world and help these people with the press of a button while not feeling any difference in wealth?" now it's "Hey your platform is filled with self-titled nazi propaganda, want to ban it?" and the answer is still no, what more evidence,
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Two bible quotes about it:
Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Oh no, another gaslighting attempt. Not that I'm surprised since this is par for the course.
You do realize that these constant reports and attempted removal directed towards those labeled "anti-democrats" make the Bluesky userbase just as anti-democratic, right?
Depending on the accounts that are getting banned from these reports, the moderation team is either doing their job of cleaning up (if these reports are against bots, spam, etc), or basically removing and blocking anyone that don't have views that align with the "supposed majority" of the userbase.
Basically an echo chamber like Trump's Truth social
Bluesky saw a massive surge of vile shit thrown at men on 19th November just because that day was International Men's Day. There were posts saying until all men are thrown into jail there won't be anything to celebrate
Bluesky saw a massive surge of vile shit thrown at men on 19th November just because that day was International Men's Day. There were posts saying until all men are thrown into jail there won't be anything to celebrate
Which is a "day" meant to show that "men are also victims of discrimination" as if the discrimination lived by men were on the same magnitude as those lived by women.
So yeah.. I can understand why some feminist are angry with that day. Which is not the first times that they are vocal about that and the fact that masculinist are recuperating this as a way to show that "they are discriminated too".
I say that as a men who live the exact discriminations that this day is supposed to highlight.
And Yes, it is a safe place. For the moment at least. But don't even put Twitter and Bluesky on equal footing in term of toxicity, you are far from the point.
Tell me. What does Trump want to do with Israel and its genocide in Gaza and its bombarment of Lebanon ?
Do you mean that twitter - as twitter is a form of media - should not be owned by a Billionnaire and be open source ?
Wouldn't it be more free and fair if channels like CNN or Fox News were not owned by Billionnaires, but owned by the public ?
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You know what @Reborn you are right on something. I do try to use the socratian dialectic approach.. but the problem - and I think I now understand the flaw in my argumentation - is that I uses it as a rethorical weapon and a way to trick my opponent rather than something created with the principle of respecting my interlocutor and having a sane debate. This is mainly due to the irrespect I have for people voting for far right Ideas.
While the respect will not magically reappear. I'll still try to work on asking more open and transparent questions and train myself to be dive even deeper in this kind of action. I modified the last two questions to make them less conflictual.
Right now the objective is to eradicate Hamas . They did lot of horrifying acts , we talk about Israel’s war Crime but Leftist just turn blind eye when Hamas does the same thing . They still have hostages and some of them are dead .
I don’t think any country will keep quiet when injustice happens . Watch news on both sides and look at Israel’s perspective as well . War crimes are happening on both ends both side needs to amicably solve the problem but they drag themselves in endless war .
For Trump to stop active funding , Palestine should disassociate itself from Hamas , declare them as terrorist organisation .
Next step will be Iran and Qatar should stop being prick and accept Israel as a country they should help Palestine in rehabilitate Peace untill then war will go on .
Which is a "day" meant to show that "men are also victims of discrimination" as if the discrimination lived by men were on the same magnitude as those lived by women.
So yeah.. I can understand why some feminist are angry with that day. Which is not the first times that they are vocal about that and the fact that masculinist are recuperating this as a way to show that "they are discriminated too".
I say that as a men who live the exact discriminations that this day is supposed to highlight.
And Yes, it is a safe place. For the moment at least. But don't even put Twitter and Bluesky on equal footing in term of toxicity, you are far from the point.
Did you just try to justify that vile behaviour and hate spewed against men just because they have a day at massive level on bluesky to such extent that I have seen posts commenting they are leaving bluesky? Just stop
FYI, International Men's day came up not to show men are victims of discrimination but to highlight the positive values men brings.
Bluesky saw a massive surge of vile shit thrown at men on 19th November just because that day was International Men's Day. There were posts saying until all men are thrown into jail there won't be anything to celebrate
Jack left blue sky he wanted different less toxic variant of twitter but he realised it’s another Leftist echo chamber and he dipped and left .
People don’t realise Leftwing echo system is equally bad as well . I remember same people cheered on when BLM riots were happening across America and wanted Defund the Police .
Jack left blue sky he wanted different less toxic variant of twitter but he realised it’s another Leftist echo chamber and he dipped and left .
People don’t realise Leftwing echo system is equally bad as well . I remember same people cheered on when BLM riots were happening across America and wanted Defund the Police .
Right now the objective is to eradicate Hamas . They did lot of horrifying acts , we talk about Israel’s war Crime but Leftist just turn blind eye when Hamas does the same thing . They still have hostages and some of them are dead .
No. They don't. You are repeating Pro-Israel propaganda.
Leftists were among the first (and the ONLY ONES) to call out the war crime AS a war crime by Hamas. (In fact the leftists in France were the only one to call it what they are (being war crimes) until the international organizations started to call out both the crimes of hamas and the crimes of the IDF.
In fact you can see me calling out the war crime of october 7th since november 2023 !
Let's be clear, the only resistance in Gaza is the Hamas. Now, the 7th, they actually made a WAR CRIME. Something that can be punished internationnaly because its an act of war that goes beyond the boundaries of international laws. BUT
This resistance is STILL perfectly legitimate in the context stated above. Those guys are fighting the colonization and the oppression of a crypto fascist state. That's why they are NOT terrorist. Their sociology is COMPLETELY different from people from Daesh or ALquaida. The hamas is not "throwing rocks" to terrorize, they do it (at least for the majority of the combattants) in a response to oppression.
This, again, does not forgive their horrific action of the 7th. This was a war crime, not even resistant should do that.
But like a guy said above, let's be a little bit more nuanced about the situation.
You get rid of the oppression, you will get rid of the Hamas (at least in its majority)
I don’t think any country will keep quiet when injustice happens . Watch news on both sides and look at Israel’s perspective as well . War crimes are happening on both ends both side needs to amicably solve the problem but they drag themselves in endless war .
The perspective of Israel is 1195 (815 being civilians)
The perspective of Gazan people is most likely around 186 000 DEATH due to the actions of Israel, because what every humanitarian will tell you there is that not all death are counted
"In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024 "
So no. It's not a "both end" situation. It's a army oblitaring an entire city with jets and bombs which is met by nothing but an army of men with big rockets. It's an army shotting down civilians and targeting kids by DRONES PURPOSEFULLY. It's a system that dehumanize on a systemic basis an entire population and make people think that Gazan people are animals that deserves to be ex terminated. It's a system that colonized and oppresses. It's an army that helps colonizer take people from their homes. It's a gov that will attack any country to justify a saint war on the basis of the fight of Light vs evil.
It's not a F equal domination relationship where "all sides are kinda mean". It's the extermination and the genocide of a people.
There is a way to end the war:
- Cease fire from Israel
- The end of the bombing
- The end of the colonization
- The return of Colonizer to Israel from Palestinian country
- The stop to the oppressions of Gazan
- The end of the blocus
- A two state solution
- The end of the multiple juridiction for Palestinian people.
When there is a colonizer and a colonized. It's not up to the colonized people to put down the weapons.
Did you just try to justify that vile behaviour and hate spewed against men just because they have a day at massive level on bluesky to such extent that I have seen posts commenting they are leaving bluesky? Just stop
Hate sput ? A few feminist telling you than men are the problem in society ?
Poor you.
Again. I'm a men touched directely by the discriminations that this "day" is supposed to represent. So I have the legitimaty to tell you to relax. No men will be systematically hurt because a woman is sayin men are trash on "international men day."
For the moment they don't. So they better stay quiet and help feminist who fight the systemic victims of their behaviors all around the world.
What we need right now, is men willing to help instead of gloating on how much they are so much better than other men. And I include myself in the equation as well.
It is. It's just not tolerant of those who are the opposite of democratic and inclusive. Which.. I get that you might be a little be stinged by since well.... everyone can see what type of BS you are defending here
Did you just try to justify that vile behaviour and hate spewed against men just because they have a day at massive level on bluesky to such extent that I have seen posts commenting they are leaving bluesky? Just stop
FYI, International Men's day came up not to show men are victims of discrimination but to highlight the positive values men brings.
No. They don't. You are repeating Pro-Israel propaganda.
Leftists were among the first (and the ONLY ONES) to call out the war crime AS a war crime by Hamas. (In fact the leftists in France were the only one to call it what they are (being war crimes) until the international organizations started to call out both the crimes of hamas and the crimes of the IDF.
In fact you can see me calling out the war crime of october 7th since november 2023 !
It's not one. Stop the Bibi propaganda.
The perspective of Israel is 1195 (815 being civilians)
The perspective of Gazan people is most likely around 186 000 DEATH due to the actions of Israel, because what every humanitarian will tell you there is that not all death are counted
"In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024 "
So no. It's not a "both end" situation. It's a army oblitaring an entire city with jets and bombs which is met by nothing but an army of men with big rockets. It's an army shotting down civilians and targeting kids by DRONES PURPOSEFULLY. It's a system that dehumanize on a systemic basis an entire population and make people think that Gazan people are animals that deserves to be ex terminated. It's a system that colonized and oppresses. It's an army that helps colonizer take people from their homes. It's a gov that will attack any country to justify a saint war on the basis of the fight of Light vs evil.
It's not a F equal domination relationship where "all sides are kinda mean". It's the extermination and the genocide of a people.
There is a way to end the war:
- Cease fire from Israel
- The end of the bombing
- The end of the colonization
- The return of Colonizer to Israel from Palestinian country
- The stop to the oppressions of Gazan
- The end of the blocus
- A two state solution
- The end of the multiple juridiction for Palestinian people.
When there is a colonizer and a colonized. It's not up to the colonized people to put down the weapons.
Hate sput ? A few feminist telling you than men are the problem in society ?
Poor you.
Again. I'm a men touched directely by the discriminations that this "day" is supposed to represent. So I have the legitimaty to tell you to relax. No men will be systematically hurt because a woman is sayin men are trash on "international men day."
For the moment they don't. So they better stay quiet and help feminist who fight the systemic victims of their behaviors all around the world.
What we need right now, is men willing to help instead of gloating on how much they are so much better than other men. And I include myself in the equation as well.
It's not.
But stay on Xwitter. We will see how long it will take you to migrate.
Good stuff.
Revolution and the end of the oppression of the police is kind of a good thing if you ask me ;)
It is. It's just not tolerant of those who are the opposite of democratic and inclusive. Which.. I get that you might be a little be stinged by since well.... everyone can see what type of BS you are defending here
You mate, need to REALLY understand a few things :
1 - The far right is not the far right and a bad thing just because it's a little bit more conservative and racist, but because it's also fundamentally anti-democratic in the sence the ALL far rightists want to ATTACK the state of law. Aattacking the states of law means demining the potential strenght of counter power and thus the potential prevention of a dictatorship or fascism rising through the state.
THe state of law is a barrier that was created when people saw what fascism was capable of. We know first hand in France that Fascism rise VERY EASILY and with the help of the population when the state of law is absent.
And currently, you guyz are defending someone who wants to do just that.
2. You people need to understand that democracy is NOT the respect of the far right. In fact, a good democracy DISRESPECT the far right. A good democracy is able to GET RID of the far right.
Tolerance is not the respect of intolerance. And thus, Bluesky does not have to respect people who think they are being democratic by defending someone who wants to attack democracy. Even if they don't realize that.
You mate, need to REALLY understand a few things :
1 - The far right is not the far right and a bad thing just because it's a little bit more conservative and racist, but because it's also fundamentally anti-democratic in the sence the ALL far rightists want to ATTACK the state of law. Aattacking the states of law means demining the potential strenght of counter power and thus the potential prevention of a dictatorship or fascism rising through the state.
THe state of law is a barrier that was created when people saw what fascism was capable of. We know first hand in France that Fascism rise VERY EASILY and with the help of the population when the state of law is absent.
And currently, you guyz are defending someone who wants to do just that.
2. You people need to understand that democracy is NOT the respect of the far right. In fact, a good democracy DISRESPECT the far right. A good democracy is able to GET RID of the far right.
Tolerance is not the respect of intolerance. And thus, Bluesky does not have to respect people who think they are being democratic by defending someone who wants to attack democracy. Even if they don't realize that.
You want me to remind you of the Mazan case again ?
Bro I am not reading all that shit or your posts ever again
You just implied "men don't bring any positive values" wtf lol
You have to be a brainless, delusional and brainwashed person to make such outrageous comment....
Actually, I was wrong. You don't have Socrates Dialectical process skill. You just spew your rhetorics which you basically learnt from your like minded echo chamber.
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