Character Discussion Why do you think ZBoys are in such denial about Green Bull having a black blade?

[Dragon777]

It absolutely does shit on Zoro's dream if somebody forged a black blade as a side job.
Imagine somebody becoming PK as a side job when they were actually trying to do something else, or imagine if somebody fulfill Ohara's destiny by accident, or somebody found the cure of all diseases as a side job. Won't that be shitting on Luffy, Robin, Chopper?

The side job is just teasing. It's clear as a day Ryo is a swordsman, he is inspired after Gennai Aramaki: same name and same face.

Greenbull's lack of aura is just icing on the cake. Shanks doing what he did, to someone who forged black blade would just be giga disrespectful.

And again this somehow applies only to him: BB was fine after a much less "forceful" Ray CoC; Imu himslef got on the ground panting, no one bat an eye.
For Ryo only it's some big problem lol.

Bet is fulfilled if we get confirmation that Greenbull forged a black blade, not by some manga colouring.
If confirmed, you win the bet.
If the opposite is confirmed, or if greenbull's story is finished without any confirmation, I think it would be fair to say I won the bet.

The bet was about Ryo having it:

Because he won't have it. If you're that confident, bet on it.

Winner decides losers' pfp and sign for a month

I am in.

Bet is on then.

We can make another one for the future, but for this one you consider official manga (twice) + VC (official databook) + (eventually) official coloring (twice) enough to concede?

 

[grey matter]

The side job is just teasing. It's clear as a day Ryo is a swordsman, he is inspired after Gennai Aramaki: same name and same face.

But it isn't even agenda teasing, since his swordsmanship was never highlighted. Never even used it.

Contrast that with Fujitora. If he hypothetically had a black blade, at least that wouldn't have been a side job, since his fighting style even with his DF involves swordsmanship and fighting style in CQC is exclusively swordsmanship.

And again this somehow applies only to him: BB was fine after a much less "forceful" Ray CoC; Imu himslef got on the ground panting, no one bat an eye.

For Ryo only it's some big problem lol.

What do you mean? The opinion that aura and performance of Blackbeard (and BBP n general) is lacking isn't uncommon at all. So no, it doesn't apply to just greenbull.

Imu had some aura reduction after that event as well, but here at least we can argue it's Joyboy PTSD, similar to Kaido/Oden.
Greenbull reacted first, got reduced to base, then figured out it's Shanks. Surely you can see how it's different here

Then there is stuff like Oden, one of the most wanked characters in the manga, didn't have a black blade either and his own father sees it as something to be pointed out.
People make up random excuses for Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh to gatekeep them from being a swordsman, but there is zero wiggle room when it comes to Oden.

The bet was about Ryo having it:

We can make another one for the future, but for this one you consider official manga (twice) + VC (official databook) + (eventually) official coloring (twice) enough to concede?

Ah ok, strictly speaking sure. I am sure he doesn't have it either.

I do think him having it if he didn't forge it himself is meaningless, but that would be another topic.

Manga confirmation of black blade would be required though. Like, someone in manga acknowledging GB having a black blade.
Colour panel won't be sufficient.

 

[Dragon777]

Bro I don't care about Gorosrei, BB, Luffy, BM etc. they are not Ryuma or Mihawk.

Fair, but still: if BB and Imu can be prime Roge or more, I really don't see the problem if Aramaki, as them, does faces or overreact (all that while saying that it's not just Shanks, but Shanks and his all crew even).

But it isn't even agenda teasing, since his swordsmanship was never highlighted. Never even used it.

Contrast that with Fujitora. If he hypothetically had a black blade, at least that wouldn't have been a side job, since his fighting style even with his DF involves swordsmanship.

Never had the opportunity.
Destroyed the scrabbards easily and couldn't do damage in Marijoa.

Probably he did against Weevil though.

What do you mean? The opinion that aura and performance of Blackbeard (and BBP n general) is lacking isn't uncommon at all. So no, it doesn't apply to just greenbull.

Imu had some aura reduction after that event as well, but here at least we can argue it's Joyboy PTSD, similar to Kaido/Oden.
Greenbull reacted first, got reduced to base, then figured out it's Shanks. Surely you can see how it's different here

The difference I see is that for them people just say "they are clowns" (or looked like ones), but that had no effect on what people expected of them (as the Gorosei). For Aramaki, even though he explicitly talked about Shanks and his all crew and said that wasn't the time, for some reason it should.

Then there is stuff like Oden, one of the most wanked characters in the manga, didn't have a black blade either and his own father sees it as something to be pointed out.
People make up random excuses for Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh to gatekeep them from being a swordsman, but there is zero wiggle room when it comes to Oden.

I agree, and the reason is Aramaki > Oden; simple. Same as the other Admirals and Emperors too. Oda chose to gave him a BB and so it's crystal clear.

You need Ray to contend against an Admiral.

Ah ok, strictly speaking sure. I am sure he doesn't have it either.
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Manga confirmation of black blade would be required though. Like, someone in manga acknowledging GB having a black blade.
Colour panel won't be sufficient.

So Manga (twice), VCs and official coloring (twice) won't be enough to say that a sword that is shown to be black in two occasions and looks exactly like any other BB is in fact a BB?

I can't force you to accept, but tbh it seems to me we are in this meme:

I do think him having it if he didn't forge it himself is meaningless, but that would be another topic.

I agree BTW.

It's foolish to think he has a BB but for some reason Oda gave that to him while not really wanting to gave that to him lol.

 

[grey matter]

So Manga (twice), VCs and official coloring (twice) won't be enough to say that a sword that is shown to be black in two occasions and looks exactly like any other BB is in fact a BB?

I can't force you to accept, but tbh it seems to me we are in this meme:

Like I said, coloring isn't sufficient because it could just be looking similar.

Yoru being a black blade was mentioned in manga, shisui was mentioned too. So why not Greenbull’s?

Surely if it's a black blade, it would be acknowledged by somebody in the manga?
If you're so sure about it, all you need would be to wait for it to happen. Likewise for me.
There is no copium here.

Or you think Greenbull having a black blade would never even be explicitly addressed in the manga? Really?

 

[Blazing Lion]

Fair, but still: if BB and Imu can be prime Roge or more, I really don't see the problem if Aramaki, as them, does faces or overreact (all that while saying that it's not just Shanks, but Shanks and his all crew even).

When I mention Shanks and GB, I am talking about the first instance where GB seems to be reduced to base by wifi Haki, not the conversation later where its about RHPs and fighting them later.

Since most agree that BB forging is best haki feat and GB has a nature logia do you consider him stronger than the other Admirals? A top tier logia for everyone but GB has the best haki also and is a top tier sowrdsman.

 

[Dragon777]

Like I said, coloring isn't sufficient because it could just be looking similar.

With similar you mean identical?

Spoiler

Because I really can't recall an example of a blade turned black with an hamon...that it wasn't a blade turned black.

Yoru being a black blade was mentioned in manga, shisui was mentioned too. So why not Greenbull’s?

Because he never even touched it, for now. I am sure we'll know, when he finally uses it, as happened with the others.

Surely if it's a black blade, it would be acknowledged by somebody in the manga?
If you're so sure about it, all you need would be to wait for it to happen. Likewise for me.
There is no copium here.

Or you think Greenbull having a black blade would never even be explicitly addressed in the manga? Really?

I am sure it will; I am just worried about the time lol.

Surprises aside, we are likely talking about post Erbaf at least (meaning 1-2 years at least), but maybe even final war time, when Ryo is going to do something. Neither you nor I are guaranteed to be there in that much time, or care at that point lol.

And if this was something really obscure, fine, but here we have a blade that looks exactly like a black blade, that was twice black in the manga, that was black in the official databook and that maybe will be black in the official coloring. It seems to me that we would postpone that for years just to wait for Oda to state verbally something that he has already shown repeatedly.

 

[grey matter]

With similar you mean identical?

Spoiler

Because I really can't recall an example of a blade turned black with an hamon...that it wasn't a blade turned black.



Because he never even touched it, for now. I am sure we'll know, when he finally uses it, as happened with the others.



I am sure it will; I am just worried about the time lol.

Surprises aside, we are likely talking about post Erbaf at least (meaning 1-2 years at least), but maybe even final war time, when Ryo is going to do something. Neither you nor I are guaranteed to be there in that much time, or care at that point lol.

And if this was something really obscure, fine, but here we have a blade that looks exactly like a black blade, that was twice black in the manga, that was black in the official databook and that maybe will be black in the official coloring. It seems to me that we would postpone that for years just to wait for Oda just to state verbally something that has already shown repeatedly.

Oh, I'm sure people will care even in a couple of years, especially given how much and how strongly agenda is being pushed here. Not referring to you specifically here, but especially most here are using this to hate on Zoro as you can observe, like the guy I replied to.

There will be receipts and clowning, no matter who wins the bet.

All we need to do is wait for a proper on screen fight of Greenbull, likely in the next couple of years.

Let's just hope neither of us and Oda doesn't kick the bucket before the time comes lol.

 

[nik87]

This is indeed funny, IF it turns out to be actual black blade.
The problem is that it will very likely not end up one.
Despite being a black and a blade.
As I said, Scabbardless sword is too much of an obvious bait.

 

[grey matter]

@Dragon777
Most people want Greenbull to have a black blade because they view it as shitting on Zoro.
Because they think Greenbull is amongst the weaker top tiers.
Because they think Greenbull is considerably below Shanks.
Because they view it as a side job.

Just a glance at most posts that are pro Greenbull having a black blade would easily demonstrate this.

You are one of the few here who actually think Greenbull is actually damn strong, and would be a swordsman main.

VAST MAJORITY who push this want Greenbull to have a black blade because:
- then forging a black blade wouldn't be impressive anymore
- black blade being created as a side job would be the biggest devalue of the feat
- they can push forging not requiring insane haki
- they can push Admirals > Yonko
- they can hate on Zoro/Mihawk
- they can push Zoro ~ Sanji, etc. (I'm referring to the types that push Sanji vs Greenbull here where Sanji breaks his black blade)
Etc

 

[LolonoisZolo]

It absolutely does shit on Zoro's dream if somebody forged a black blade as a side job.
Imagine somebody becoming PK as a side job when they were actually trying to do something else, or imagine if somebody fulfill Ohara's destiny by accident, or somebody found the cure of all diseases as a side job. Won't that be shitting on Luffy, Robin, Chopper?

Zoro's dream isn't to make a BB but to be WSS so the comparison isn't good.
Besides, we already have WB who achieved the strenght of PK as a ''side job'' since he never tried to be one.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It absolutely does shit on Zoro's dream if somebody forged a black blade as a side job.
Imagine somebody becoming PK as a side job when they were actually trying to do something else, or imagine if somebody fulfill Ohara's destiny by accident, or somebody found the cure of all diseases as a side job. Won't that be shitting on Luffy, Robin, Chopper?

Greenbull's lack of aura is just icing on the cake. Shanks doing what he did, to someone who forged black blade would just be giga disrespectful.

Bet is fulfilled if we get confirmation that Greenbull forged a black blade, not by some manga colouring.
If confirmed, you win the bet.
If the opposite is confirmed, or if greenbull's story is finished without any confirmation, I think it would be fair to say I won the bet.

Making a Black blade isn’t Zoros dream?

 

[zzShinichi]

Honestly we Zoro bros kinda fucked ourselves with the whole "Black Blade User > Non Black Blade User". We don't need that to argue Mihawk > Shanks since we already got the title for that. But now that argument is gonna be the bullet that fired back at us
Yoru is the strongest Black Blade and Mihawk is the strongest Swordman, so Green Bull having a black blade doesn't take anything away from Mihawk.

 

[grey matter]

Zoro's dream isn't to make a BB but to be WSS so the comparison isn't good.
Besides, we already have WB who achieved the strenght of PK as a ''side job'' since he never tried to be one.

Black blade is treated as the benchmark of the world's strongest swordsman. It is the pinnacle of swordsmanshipin the verse.
This is what sets Mihawk apart from the rest of the swordsmen.

Only two black blades have ever been confirmed to have been forged.
It is this that makes the feat, and by extension Zoro's benchmark special. It's rarer than top tier Conqueror's haki, DF awakenings etc.
The haters are desperate to devalue this feat, given its implication. Because if it turns out that insane Conqueror's haki is required, it threatens even Roger, let alone Shanks. Hence pushing it as something that Greenbull accomplished as a side job, the ultimate disrespect.

Being strong as PK Roger isn't same as achieving the PK title though. Because the requirements involve a lot more than individual strength.
While Black blade is pinnacle of swordsmanship.
This isn't a 1:1 comparison

 

[kurwa]

"Akainu can't have 5 bil bounty because muh yonko only have 4bil!"

"Kuzan can't be as strong as Prime Garp physically because he has muh DF!"

"Fujitora can't have supreme meito because muh strongest only have it!"

"Kizaru can't be stronger than Gorosei because he works for them!"

"Aramaki can't have black blade because muh Zoro is only good at 1 thing!"

Nice arguments, bozos.

 

[Dragon777]

Since most agree that BB forging is best haki feat and GB has a nature logia do you consider him stronger than the other Admirals? A top tier logia for everyone but GB has the best haki also and is a top tier sowrdsman.

@Dragon777
Most people want Greenbull to have a black blade because they view it as shitting on Zoro.
Because they think Greenbull is amongst the weaker top tiers.
Because they think Greenbull is considerably below Shanks.
Because they view it as a side job.

Just a glance at most posts that are pro Greenbull having a black blade would easily demonstrate this.

You are one of the few here who actually think Greenbull is actually damn strong, and would be a swordsman main.

VAST MAJORITY who push this want Greenbull to have a black blade because:
- then forging a black blade wouldn't be impressive anymore
- black blade being created as a side job would be the biggest devalue of the feat
- they can push forging not requiring insane haki
- they can push Admirals > Yonko
- they can hate on Zoro/Mihawk
- they can push Zoro ~ Sanji, etc. (I'm referring to the types that push Sanji vs Greenbull here where Sanji breaks his black blade)
Etc

For me GB having a BB means he would be FA material easily. Jinbe said this was the strongest Marine, so nothing surprising.

BB + Logia (at that point mostly for "support") means that to me, there is not much to think about. If he has one, probably Zoro will have to fight him before the end too.

This is indeed funny, IF it turns out to be actual black blade.
The problem is that it will very likely not end up one.
Despite being a black and a blade.
As I said, Scabbardless sword is too much of an obvious bait.

We'll see, but Aramaki being named and inspired after a great swordsman seals the deal for me.

Scrabbardless is just his personality; he is a unconventional samurai in the film too.

 

[MonsterKaido]

"Akainu can't have 5 bil bounty because muh yonko only have 4bil!"

"Kuzan can't be as strong as Prime Garp physically because he has muh DF!"

"Fujitora can't have supreme meito because muh strongest only have it!"

"Kizaru can't be stronger than Gorosei because he works for them!"

"Aramaki can't have black blade because muh Zoro is only good at 1 thing!"

Nice arguments, bozos.

--WB a fellow yonko has higher bounty with much smaller crew and manpower. Beast pirates are hilariously out matched by all marines and still Kaido's bounty is close to Akainu's.

--Old garp was dominating Kuzan who was using DF also

--Kizaru is above Saturn yes. Other gorosei can't say for now.

--50/50 with aramaki having BB.

 

[Wizak08]

Making a Black blade isn’t Zoros dream?

Is it part of his dream, for Zoro to be the WSS and his name to reach heaven, he'll need to forge a black blade. The idea that Zoro as young or even pre skip not knowing BB doesn't hold much, as soon as he heard forged during Wano, he was interested.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Is it part of his dream, for Zoro to be the WSS and his name to reach heaven, he'll need to forge a black blade. The idea that Zoro as young or even pre skip not knowing BB doesn't hold much, as soon as he heard forged during Wano, he was interested.

I’m not saying it’s not important, but it’s not his dream.

 

[Wizak08]

I’m not saying it’s not important, but it’s not his dream.

It doesn't have to be the main thing, but it's a main part of achieving his dream. Zoro never gonna be WSS without achieving atleast one.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Black blade is treated as the benchmark of the world's strongest swordsman. It is the pinnacle of swordsmanshipin the verse.
This is what sets Mihawk apart from the rest of the swordsmen.

Only two black blades have ever been confirmed to have been forged.
It is this that makes the feat, and by extension Zoro's benchmark special. It's rarer than top tier Conqueror's haki, DF awakenings etc.
The haters are desperate to devalue this feat, given its implication. Because if it turns out that insane Conqueror's haki is required, it threatens even Roger, let alone Shanks. Hence pushing it as something that Greenbull accomplished as a side job, the ultimate disrespect.

Being strong as PK Roger isn't same as achieving the PK title though. Because the requirements involve a lot more than individual strength.
While Black blade is pinnacle of swordsmanship.
This isn't a 1:1 comparison

Making a BB is PART of becoming WSS (or so everyone assumes) but it's not the main condition.
As the title suggests, one has to be the STRONGEST in order to be the WSS.