Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

What do you think about Nancy Parker from Altoona in Pennsylvania ?

@Logiko @NAMELESS @Uncle Van @AL sama @Blax Blah @Bisoromi Bear @Zenos7 @Monkey D Theories @Toby D. Dog @CoC: Color of Clowns @Brush D. Teeth @Rej

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-cul...luigi-mangione-reportedly-misses-reward-money
Parker may not be eligible to receive the incentive money that was previously offered for assistance in this case. The NYPD had pledged $10,000 for information that would lead to Mangione's arrest, while the FBI had announced a $50,000 reward. However, procedural problems make it unlikely that Nancy Parker will receive either of these sums.

Parker would have to be nominated by the relevant authorities to be eligible for the FBI's reward money, which hasn't happened yet. On the other hand, since only tips submitted through Crime Stoppers are eligible, she would have needed to get in touch with the tip line directly to claim the NYPD's reward. Therefore, she might not be eligible for either incentive, as she reportedly chose to call 911 instead.

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Under capitalism, we are all victims, only very few escape its horrors... And she is not one of them.

*deep psychological manipulation

 

[Logiko]

That doesn't mean that snitching was morally wrong.

It depends what moral you have. Moral is subjective.

The better question is, was snitching the guy ethical ? The question is... no.

Now, this doesn't mean that we must harrass this woman. She saw an opportunity to survive under capitalism, it was not ok, but this is something a LOT of people would do in the same situation. Because under capitalism, we don't always have the choice to make the best descision.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

It depends what moral you have. Moral is subjective.

The better question is, was snitching the guy ethical ? The question is... no.

Now, this doesn't mean that we must harrass this woman. She saw an opportunity to survive under capitalism, it was not ok, but this is something a LOT of people would do in the same situation. Because under capitalism, we don't always have the choice to make the best descision.

Yes it was ethical, taking responsibility for one's actions is ethical. The guy he killed was probably a horrible human being, but he is a murderer too.

 

[Logiko]

Yes it was ethical, taking responsibility for one's actions is ethical. The guy he killed was probably a horrible human being, but he is a murderer too.

Ethics takes context into account, it's what differenciate ethics from moral.

In this case, judging the snitching of this guy based on an equation of the action of this guys with the one of average murderers is not ethical. It's logical under the current laws, but not ethical.

Especially when you take into account the fact that this actions comes in the context of the undangering of millions of people and the death of thousands indirectely caused by assurances compagnies's CEO and other Billionnaire but overall, in the context of a worldwide and urgent struggle against capitalism.

Should we kill ? No.

Should we jail someone who is trying to fight back with the only way possible and send a political message ? No.

You need to understand that justice is not here to add on punishment and jail is not here to apply justice but to separate dangerous people from the other and - theoretically - gave them time to understand their actions.

This is not what happens in reality. People don't learn from jail and jail do not help in rehabilitation and it does not help justice either.

On top of that, locking this person will never help anyone beside people in power. No one will be safer because he is locked away.

So in this case, jail or the death sentence are not used to apply justice or ethic, but to threatens the population not to take direct actions like this guy did.

Now.. I'm not sure this will work.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Luigi is a murderer, the snitch did nothing wrong and imo ought to get some rewards due to the harassment she’ll likely get subjected to.

 

[NAMELESS]

The CEO of a health insurance company who is responsible for the deaths of thousands in the name of profit, was gunned down in the street. The incident caused other insurance companies like Blue Cross Blue Shiled to dial back on some of their predatory policies in fear of further retaliation.

I'd be a liar if I said I felt bad

You say that and yet you own tobacco stocks lmfao

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Ethics takes context into account, it's what differenciate ethics from moral.

In this case, judging the snitching of this guy based on an equation of the action of this guys with the one of average murderers is not ethical. It's logical under the current laws, but not ethical.

Especially when you take into account the fact that this actions comes in the context of the undangering of millions of people and the death of thousands indirectely caused by assurances compagnies's CEO and other Billionnaire but overall, in the context of a worldwide and urgent struggle against capitalism.

Should we kill ? No.

Should we jail someone who is trying to fight back with the only way possible and send a political message ? No.

You need to understand that justice is not here to add on punishment and jail is not here to apply justice but to separate dangerous people from the other and - theoretically - gave them time to understand their actions.

This is not what happens in reality. People don't learn from jail and jail do not help in rehabilitation and it does not help justice either.

On top of that, locking this person will never help anyone beside people in power. No one will be safer because he is locked away.

So in this case, jail or the death sentence are not used to apply justice or ethic, but to threatens the population not to take direct actions like this guy did.

Now.. I'm not sure this will work.

I can basically sum up all your many words with "the ends justify the means", a sentence known for its deep ethics all over the world.

 

[Blax Blah]

Indeed. But in this case, we do have one.

It's called socialism. Socialism that can take either the face of communism or anarchism, but we do have something to propose. Which is why the time to act, is now. Although when I say "act" I'm not saying revolution but a real massif street organization.



True

I think the issue is that socialism without being prefigured is just an idea,

Edit: For example an anarchist critique of marxists who wanted to use the state to try to get communism, and of leninists who did do that, is that the state is inherently capitalist and reproduces capitalist social relations, and you can not get to communism by reproducing capitalism, capitalism appeared because capitalist social relations were prefigured until they overtook feudalism, not by reproducing feudal social relations,

Here is a writing about it named the state is counter revolutionary:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anark-the-state-is-counter-revolutionary.pdf

It talks about what the state is, the USSR, China, and left-wing authoritarianism,

And the reason the chapter about left-wing authoritarianism is called left-wing authoritarianism: an infantile disorder, is because Lenin wrote a book about the marxists who thought he was authoritarian and the anarchists who were anti-authority, called "left-wing communism: an infantile disorder",

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Luigi is a murderer, the snitch did nothing wrong and imo ought to get some rewards due to the harassment she’ll likely get subjected to.

Didn't you read my article, she's not getting anything 😂😂

 

[Blax Blah]

https://apnews.com/article/amazon-workers-strike-teamsters-packages-39b86c286d67219e42309566f3975cba

December 21, 2024

"Amazon workers are striking at multiple facilities. Here’s what you should know"

"Amazon workers affiliated with the Teamsters union continued a strike Friday at seven of the company’s delivery hubs just days before Christmas.

At midnight on Saturday, workers at a prominent unionized warehouse in New York will also join, the Teamsters said. However, the union has not indicated how many employees were participating in any of the walkouts or when it will end.

The workers, who voted to authorize strikes in recent days, first joined picket lines on Thursday after Amazon ignored a Sunday deadline the union had set for contract negotiations. Meanwhile, workers at Starbucks stores said they were going on a five-day strike starting Friday to protest lack of progress in contract negotiations with the coffee company.

The e-commerce giant has a couple hundred employees at each delivery station and thousands at the New York City warehouse, which is known as JFK8 and located in the borough of Staten Island. A spokesperson for the company said Amazon did not expect the strike to impact holiday shipments.

The Teamsters mainly have focused on organizing delivery drivers, who work for contractors that handle package deliveries for the company. But Amazon has rebuffed demands to come to the negotiating table since it doesn’t consider the drivers to be its employees. "

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

https://apnews.com/article/amazon-workers-strike-teamsters-packages-39b86c286d67219e42309566f3975cba

December 21, 2024

"Amazon workers are striking at multiple facilities. Here’s what you should know"

"Amazon workers affiliated with the Teamsters union continued a strike Friday at seven of the company’s delivery hubs just days before Christmas.

At midnight on Saturday, workers at a prominent unionized warehouse in New York will also join, the Teamsters said. However, the union has not indicated how many employees were participating in any of the walkouts or when it will end.

The workers, who voted to authorize strikes in recent days, first joined picket lines on Thursday after Amazon ignored a Sunday deadline the union had set for contract negotiations. Meanwhile, workers at Starbucks stores said they were going on a five-day strike starting Friday to protest lack of progress in contract negotiations with the coffee company.

The e-commerce giant has a couple hundred employees at each delivery station and thousands at the New York City warehouse, which is known as JFK8 and located in the borough of Staten Island. A spokesperson for the company said Amazon did not expect the strike to impact holiday shipments.

The Teamsters mainly have focused on organizing delivery drivers, who work for contractors that handle package deliveries for the company. But Amazon has rebuffed demands to come to the negotiating table since it doesn’t consider the drivers to be its employees. "

 

[Zemmi]

Hep, @NAMELESS , @Ravagerblade , @Uncle Van , @Zemmi , @Zenos7 ,

What do you guyz think about the killing of CEO Brian Thompson by Luigi Mangione?

He was a someone's father. His kids will be celebrating Christmas without him this year. It's disgusting. That dude was a coward who shot a man from behind.

 

[AL sama]

What do you think about Nancy Parker from Altoona in Pennsylvania ?

@Logiko @NAMELESS @Uncle Van @AL sama @Blax Blah @Bisoromi Bear @Zenos7 @Monkey D Theories @Toby D. Dog @CoC: Color of Clowns @Brush D. Teeth @Rej

can't comment cause I didn't follow the news

 

[Ravagerblade]

He was a someone's father. His kids will be celebrating Christmas without him this year. It's disgusting. That dude was a coward who shot a man from behind.

I can relate.

 

[Uncle Van]

You say that and yet you own tobacco stock lmfao

Don't really see the correlation here. Any similarities to denying health claims in the name of profit?

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

He was a someone's father. His kids will be celebrating Christmas without him this year. It's disgusting. That dude was a coward who shot a man from behind.

Being a father doesn't make you a good person. Also same goes for him letting people die.

 

[NAMELESS]

Don't really see the correlation here. Any similarities to denying health claims in the name of profit?

They are both murderous industries. Lung cancer, bro.

 

[Zemmi]

Being a father doesn't make you a good person. Also same goes for him letting people die.

I will say anyone who thinks that dude is a hero or someone to be looked up who shot that many really need some reflection.

I don't know the man who died, just like you don't know the man. So him being good or bad neither of us know. I just know he didn't deserve to be executed by a coward.

 

[Uncle Van]

They are both murderous industries. Lung cancer, bro.

Ok? Smoking is additive, but people choose it smoke. Health Insurance companies deny those who seek help because it's unprofitable. Tobacco companies are the same level as every other scummy company like alcohol, fast food etc.. Health insurance is a special kind of scummy.

 

[NAMELESS]

I will say anyone who thinks that dude is a hero or someone to be looked up who shot that many really need some reflection.

I don't know the man who died, just like you don't know the man. So him being good or bad neither of us know. I just know he didn't deserve to be executed by a coward.

Also, that guy was just an employee. If that company did something immoral, the owners and investors are to blame.

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Ok? Smoking is additive, but people choose it smoke. Health Insurance companies deny those who seek help because it's unprofitable. Tobacco companies are the same level as every other scummy company like alcohol, fast food etc.. Health insurance is a special kind of scummy.

"My industry is less scummy"
I agree that big pharma and healthcare in general are more fucked up, but that doesn't make tobacco, alcohol, other drugs or fast food less fucked up. Some people are destined to get addicted to those and die due to neurological, genetical and psychological reasons. Financing anything that can take away people's freedom of choice, and harm their health in the process, is messed up imo.