Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

They are both murderous industries. Lung cancer, bro.

Ok? Smoking is additive, but people choose it smoke. Health Insurance companies deny those who seek help because it's unprofitable. Tobacco companies are the same level as every other scummy company like alcohol, fast food etc.. Health insurance is a special kind of scummy.

 

[NAMELESS]

I will say anyone who thinks that dude is a hero or someone to be looked up who shot that many really need some reflection.

I don't know the man who died, just like you don't know the man. So him being good or bad neither of us know. I just know he didn't deserve to be executed by a coward.

Also, that guy was just an employee. If that company did something immoral, the owners and investors are to blame.

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Ok? Smoking is additive, but people choose it smoke. Health Insurance companies deny those who seek help because it's unprofitable. Tobacco companies are the same level as every other scummy company like alcohol, fast food etc.. Health insurance is a special kind of scummy.

"My industry is less scummy"
I agree that big pharma and healthcare in general are more fucked up, but that doesn't make tobacco, alcohol, other drugs or fast food less fucked up. Some people are destined to get addicted to those and die due to neurological, genetical and psychological reasons. Financing anything that can take away people's freedom of choice, and harm their health in the process, is messed up imo.

 

[Zemmi]

Also, that guy was just an employee. If that company did something immoral. the owners and investors are to blame.

He was just a tiny part of a super large cog.

The problem is much bigger. A good example, my grandfather (lawyer/judge) campaigned against allowing lawyers to do billboard advertising a very long time ago, and he told everyone once it passed insurance would become unaffordable. It passed and now Louisiana has one of the largest cost of insurance and some of the worst coverage terms.

Yeah the lawyers are scummy who take advantage, which is why I recommend everyone to have cams on their vehicles, but it's the laws that enabled them.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Don't really see the correlation here. Any similarities to denying health claims in the name of profit?

Somehow you buying stock makes you the same as a murderous CEO who profited off the death of his clients.

 

[NAMELESS]

He was just a tiny part of a super large cog.

The problem is much bigger. A good example, my grandfather (lawyer/judge) campaigned against allowing lawyers to do billboard advertising a very long time ago, and he told everyone once it passed insurance would become unaffordable. It passed and now Louisiana has one of the largest cost of insurance and some of the worst coverage terms.

Yeah the lawyers are scummy who take advantage, which is why I recommend everyone to have cams on their vehicles, but it's the laws that enabled them.

At this point everyone should have a camera on them when outside. Lawyers aren't inherently evil, but some of these guys are boderline criminal. Same for judges and so on.

 

[Uncle Van]

He was just a tiny part of a super large cog.

The problem is much bigger. A good example, my grandfather (lawyer/judge) campaigned against allowing lawyers to do billboard advertising a very long time ago, and he told everyone once it passed insurance would become unaffordable. It passed and now Louisiana has one of the largest cost of insurance and some of the worst coverage terms.

Yeah the lawyers are scummy who take advantage, which is why I recommend everyone to have cams on their vehicles, but it's the laws that enabled them.

Dont view as hero and the CEO being a parent is completely irrelevant. Even dictators and serial killers have kids. Certain people you just don't feel bad for.

"My industry is less scummy"
I agree that big pharma and healthcare in general are more fucked up, but that doesn't make tobacco, alcohol, other drugs or fast food less fucked up. Some people are destined to get addicted to those and die due to neurological,genetical and psychological reasons. Financing anything that can take away people's freedom of choice,and harm their health in the process, is messed up imo.

Ok? Still don't see the correlation between me owing a tobacco stock to a CEO directly causing the deaths of thousands.

 

[Zemmi]

Dont view as hero and the CEO being a parent is completely irrelevant. Even dictators and serial killers have kids. Certain people you just don't feel bad for.



Ok? Still don't see the correlation between me owing a tobacco stock to a CEO directly causing the deaths of thousands.

I do feel bad for him and his family. And his killer will hopefully get what he deserves.

 

[NAMELESS]

Dont view as hero and the CEO being a parent is completely irrelevant. Even dictators and serial killers have kids. Certain people you just don't feel bad for.



Ok? Still don't see the correlation between me owing a tobacco stock to a CEO directly causing the deaths of thousands.

How about not accusing people? "Deaths of thousands" lmfao How can you claim that? Also, lots of people go to jail and death row unjustly. Are you, a cop, to blame for the judges bad orders/decisions? It's the same for this guy. He was just an yes man.

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I do feel bad for him and his family. And his killer will hopefully get what he deserves.

It's is fucked up. The saddest thing is how some people are cheering for this Luigi thug.

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Somehow you buying stock makes you the same as a murderous CEO who profited off the death of his clients.

Not the same, but still immoral. It's just like buying illegal drugs. If you finance organized crime, you are part of the problem. Let's not pretend Tobacco is harmless. As i said, they are all murderous industries. They just go about it in different ways. Profiting from something that harms people health and turns them into addicts is immoral too. People here are talking as if they have the moral high ground, when they don't. It's hypocrisy.

 

[Afroking]

All kind insurance companies deserve it because they try to find loopholes to make bigger and bigger profits.. The health ones tho in US are the real scums. Add mega pharmacorps that have pushed and pushed the costs to new records every year.


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The German Home office(ministry of internal affairs or however it called) are completely sellouts.

Yes the arab guy hitting the Christmas market sure is Anti-islamist ..

Bunch of clowns...

 

[NAMELESS]

All kind insurance companies deserve it because they try to find loopholes to make bigger and bigger profits.. The health ones tho in US are the real scums. Add mega pharmacorps that have pushed and pushed the costs to new records every year.


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The German Home office(ministry of internal affairs or however it called) are completely sellouts.

Yes the arab guy hitting the Christmas market sure is Anti-islamist ..

Bunch of clowns...

Deserve what? Have their employees murdered? Wtf are you on about?

 

[Blax Blah]

With owning stock I think it depends if you are funding them like a major investor or if you need that money to live,

 

[Logiko]

I can basically sum up all your many words with "the ends justify the means", a sentence known for its deep ethics all over the world.

That's not what I say no.

I think the issue is that socialism without being prefigured is just an idea,

Edit: For example an anarchist critique of marxists who wanted to use the state to try to get communism, and of leninists who did do that, is that the state is inherently capitalist and reproduces capitalist social relations, and you can not get to communism by reproducing capitalism, capitalism appeared because capitalist social relations were prefigured until they overtook feudalism, not by reproducing feudal social relations,

Here is a writing about it named the state is counter revolutionary:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anark-the-state-is-counter-revolutionary.pdf

It talks about what the state is, the USSR, China, and left-wing authoritarianism,

And the reason the chapter about left-wing authoritarianism is called left-wing authoritarianism: an infantile disorder, is because Lenin wrote a book about the marxists who thought he was authoritarian and the anarchists who were anti-authority, called "left-wing communism: an infantile disorder",

I don't have a definitive opinion on the subject, but I can see your point.

https://apnews.com/article/amazon-workers-strike-teamsters-packages-39b86c286d67219e42309566f3975cba

December 21, 2024

"Amazon workers are striking at multiple facilities. Here’s what you should know"

"Amazon workers affiliated with the Teamsters union continued a strike Friday at seven of the company’s delivery hubs just days before Christmas.

At midnight on Saturday, workers at a prominent unionized warehouse in New York will also join, the Teamsters said. However, the union has not indicated how many employees were participating in any of the walkouts or when it will end.

The workers, who voted to authorize strikes in recent days, first joined picket lines on Thursday after Amazon ignored a Sunday deadline the union had set for contract negotiations. Meanwhile, workers at Starbucks stores said they were going on a five-day strike starting Friday to protest lack of progress in contract negotiations with the coffee company.

The e-commerce giant has a couple hundred employees at each delivery station and thousands at the New York City warehouse, which is known as JFK8 and located in the borough of Staten Island. A spokesperson for the company said Amazon did not expect the strike to impact holiday shipments.

The Teamsters mainly have focused on organizing delivery drivers, who work for contractors that handle package deliveries for the company. But Amazon has rebuffed demands to come to the negotiating table since it doesn’t consider the drivers to be its employees. "

This is the type of news I like to hear.

He was a someone's father. His kids will be celebrating Christmas without him this year. It's disgusting. That dude was a coward who shot a man from behind.

I see, interesting...

What do you think about the health care system in the US ?

 

[Blax Blah]

I can basically sum up all your many words with "the ends justify the means", a sentence known for its deep ethics all over the world.

Something pretty cool about the ends justify the means quote is that in truth to reach an end your means and ends must be in unity, you can not move your body one meter to the left by the means of moving it one meter to the right,

 

[Logiko]

This arc is about to get so interesting. I can't wait

 

[Uncle Van]

I do feel bad for him and his family. And his killer will hopefully get what he deserves.

Well I don't. The same vein as not caring when rapist or pedos get beaten to death in prison whether they have families or not. Naturally a murderer will get convicted for life at least.

How about not accusing people? "Deaths of thousands" lmfao How can you claim that? Also, lots of people go to jail and death row unjustly. Are you, a cop, to blame for the judges bad orders/decisions? It's the same for this guy. He was just an yes man.

Really using my occupation for a false equivalence? The purpose of a CEO is to generate profits to shareholders. You don't become or stay a CEO by being ethical. For insurance companies, most of their income comes from premiums, while most of their expenses comes from the actual coverage. Did you know that their coverage is labeled as a liability? An expense that has to be reduced to be more profitable? United Healthcare does what all does, which is generate profit by increasing premiums and reducing their coverage. United Healthcare has a 32% denial rate, and is already proven that thousands have died due to denied coverage. Many more don't have the treatment for their conditions, and the CEO did nothing but make it harder during his short run.

As a yes man, he does everything I said above.

Not the same, but still immoral. It's just like buying illegal drugs. If you finance organized crime, you are part of the problem. Let's not pretend Tobacco is harmless. As i said, they are all murderous industries. They just go about it in different ways. Profiting from something that harms people health and turns them into addicts is immoral too. People here are talking as if they have the moral high ground, when they don't. It's hypocrisy.

Never said nor implied tobacco is harmless. Still not explaining how investing in a stock is the same as causing the deaths of thousands of people by denying them treatment.

 

[Zenos7]

They are both murderous industries. Lung cancer, bro.

If you smoke thats your choice though?

 

[Reborn]

You gotta be really sick in the head to drive car carrying explosives (which luckily didn't go off) in a Christmas market injuring 200 people

 

[Kami Burn]

Yes the arab guy hitting the Christmas market sure is Anti-islamist ..

Bunch of clowns...

Media like Spiegel already talking about a Musk and AfD fan.

 

[Uncle Van]

Not the same, but still immoral. It's just like buying illegal drugs. If you finance organized crime, you are part of the problem. Let's not pretend Tobacco is harmless. As i said, they are all murderous industries. They just go about it in different ways. Profiting from something that harms people health and turns them into addicts is immoral too. People here are talking as if they have the moral high ground, when they don't. It's hypocrisy.

There is no moral high ground. It's just you here using logic that suggests punching someone in high school is the same as being a mass shooter, as both inflicts harm on someone.

No different than saying if you work and get paid, you are contributing to all deaths under capitalism and is part of the problem.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I will say anyone who thinks that dude is a hero or someone to be looked up who shot that many really need some reflection.

I don't know the man who died, just like you don't know the man. So him being good or bad neither of us know. I just know he didn't deserve to be executed by a coward.

Cope, he was basically a cutthroat. The American healthcare system is criminal.