Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"

Never claimed this to be case. I just said that there are people out there that agree with my point that selling poison is immoral. Employees and involuntary investors are not liable.You are putting words in my mouth again. Stop moving the goal posts. This entire exchange was based on your assumption that claimed i said:"Being a CEO of a health insurance company is as fucked up as buying tobacco stocks". Which is something i made very clear from the beginning wasn't the case. You keep projecting false equivalencies onto my posts. You either somehow devolved into c4n levels of logical reasoning or you are arguing in very bad faith. Neither make you look good. Stop embarrassing yourself further and drop this topic. I don't care what you do with your money. Do what you will.

that's the very definition of getting heated or triggered

More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.
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dude suddenly jumped the gun on Muslims lol

I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.

 

[AL sama]

More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.

no just triggered

I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.

funny cope but no need to be defensive

 

[Reborn]

Never claimed this to be case. I just said that there are people out there that agree with my point that selling poison is immoral. Employees and involuntary investors are not liable.You are putting words in my mouth again. Stop moving the goal posts. This entire exchange was based on your assumption that claimed i said:"Being a CEO of a health insurance company is as fucked up as buying tobacco stocks". Which is something i made very clear from the beginning wasn't the case. You keep projecting false equivalencies onto my posts. You either somehow devolved into c4n levels of logical reasoning or you are arguing in very bad faith. Neither make you look good. Stop embarrassing yourself further and drop this topic. I don't care what you do with your money. Do what you will.

More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.
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I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.

Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"

Why are you two even arguing?

Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective

Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.

Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.

 

[AL sama]

Why you two are even arguing?

Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective

Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.

Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.

making it look like van doesn't care about innocent people just cause he invested in tobacco is dumb tho hence the argument

 

[Uncle Van]

Why are you two even arguing?

Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective

Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.

Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.

Nameless was enforcing his values onto me, trying to make it seem like I'm complacent in killing people and defending drug/tobacco usage.

He made a direct comparison by saying I'm a hypocrite for calling out a CEO for abusing his power and denying people healthcare for profit. As if investing in a stock incites any comparison in the first place.

 

[Reborn]

making it look like van doesn't care about innocent people just cause he invested in tobacco is dumb tho hence the argument

Your favourite after getting clawed by BB went onto using political influence/power to stop MF war.


You should live upto your idolo to stop arguments

 

[NAMELESS]

making it look like van doesn't care about innocent people just cause he invested in tobacco is dumb tho hence the argument

Where did i claim that? Care to quote me? My entire argument was that people that invest into shady industries should not be condescending that CEO.
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Nameless was enforcing his values onto me, trying to make it seem like I'm complacent in killing people and defending drug/tobacco usage.

He made a direct comparison by saying I'm a hypocrite for calling out a CEO for abusing his power and denying people healthcare for profit. As if investing in a stock incites any comparison in the first place.

Not forcing shit into anybody. I just called you out and gave my two cents on tobacco stocks. I didn't say shit about you killing anyone.

 

[AL sama]

Your favourite after getting clawed by BB went onto using political influence/power to stop MF war.


You should live upto your idolo to stop arguments

 

[Uncle Van]

Where did i claim that? Care to quote me? My entire argument was that people that invest into shady industries should not be condescending that CEO.
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Not forcing shit into anybody. I just called you out and gave my two cents on tobacco stocks. I didn't say shit about you killing anyone.

Aka you can't talk down a guy killing people if you invest....

 

[NAMELESS]

Why are you two even arguing?

Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective

Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.

Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.

Problem is that Van is projecting false equivalencies into my posts. I never said either were equivalent. All i said that people that invest into shady shit should not be condescending that CEO, cause they ain't innocent either.
A health insurance company is not a charity organization. They are not entitled to give free expensive treatments to people that don't fit their criteria. Fraud and schemes to deny people their benefits is an entirely different matter. People are too fast to accuse the CEO dude of being a murderer. As far as we know, he wasn't condemned for no crimes. If just being a CEO of such company equals being a murderer, following the same logic, one could say investing into tobacco/alcohol/fast food/pharmaceuticals makes one complicity in that same crime. It's hypocrisy. All i'm seeing here is stupid people cheering for a senseless murder. Ironically, many of these are left wing oriented .Just goes to show the kind of people that adhere to left ideals. I'm taking a break cause i gotta party now. Bye.
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Aka you can't talk down a guy killing people if you invest....

Care to prove where did the CEO get condemned for such crime? As i said to Reborn, if being in such a position in that industry equals murder, investing in tobacco equals being complicity in destroying people's health. You are way to fast to judge the guy based on shady general shit that happens in that industry. Ironically, failing to see how your own logic applies to you too.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Y'all gotta take a break from here, idk where your from but atm the Christmas Season is just around the corner, go get off here relax etc...

Another Christmas, another terror attack 🤡

Its still not the tobacco industry that makes people buy and consume their product

Yes and "slavery is a choice"

 

[Uncle Van]

Problem is that Van is projecting false equivalencies into my posts. I never said either were equivalent. All i said that people that invest into shady shit should not be condescending that CEO, cause they ain't innocent either.
A health insurance company is not a charity organization. They are not entitled to give free expensive treatments to people that don't fit their criteria. Fraud and schemes to deny people their benefits is an entirely different matter. People are too fast to accuse the CEO dude of being a murderer. As far as we know, he wasn't condemned for no crimes. If just being a CEO of such company equals being a murderer, following the same logic, one could say investing into tobacco/alcohol/fast food/pharmaceuticals makes one complicity in that same crime. It's hypocrisy. All i'm seeing here is stupid people cheering for a senseless murder. Ironically, many of these are left wing oriented .Just goes to show the kind of people that adhere to left ideals. I'm taking a break cause i gotta party now. Bye.
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Care to prove where did the CEO get condemned for such crime? As i said to Reborn, if being in such a position in that industry equals murder, investing in tobacco equals being complicity in destroying people's health. You are way to fast to judge the guy based on shady general shit that happens in that industry. Ironically, failing to see how your own logic applies to you too.

And as I explained to you earlier, that means anyone who works in the tobacco and health industries, even if it's just a receptionist, is equally complicit in destroying lives. And it puts them in a postion where they can't call out someone in power, who is directly making decisions to kill people by denying them healthcare. It is indeed, a huge false equivalence.

 

[AL sama]

And as I explained to you earlier, that means anyone who works in the tobacco and health industries, even if it's just a receptionist, is equally complicit in destroying lives. And it puts them in a postion where they can't call out someone in power, who is directly making decisions to kill people by denying them healthcare. It is indeed, a huge false equivalence.

I doubt he is understanding your words

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Another Christmas, another terror attack 🤡

How high is the chance those guys allowed it to happen to fuel the division in the country and boost afd?

 

[Uncle Van]

I doubt he is understanding your words

Honestly looks like he's using his personal hatred of the stuff as a substitute for objectivity. His logic says someone who invests in an energy stock for the dividend payout for example, is as equally responsible as politicians waging war in the middle east for their resources. Invest in a military stock, you are as equally complicit as Vladimir Putin for destroying lives in Ukraine.

 

[AL sama]

Honestly looks like he's using his personal hatred of the stuff as a substitute for objectivity. His logic says someone who invests in an energy stock for the dividend payout for example, is as equally responsible as politicians waging war in the middle east for their resources. Invest in a military stock, you are as equally complicit as Vladimir Putin for destroying lives in Ukraine.

could be a bit of both

 

[Ravagerblade]

It's always the Usual Suspects.
Stereotypes are there for a reason. but they just can't help themselves.

 

[Blax Blah]

Al sama with a W, Wal Sama, sounds like Uncle Wan and Walli Sama,

 

[AL sama]

Al sama with a W, Wal Sama, sounds like Uncle Wan and Walli Sama,

lol just AL is fine

 

[Zenos7]

Yes and "slavery is a choice"

Yeah no