Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

If you think that the carceral system is fucked up I might be inclined to agree. But to think we don't need prisons is beyond retarded. There are genuine threats to society that can't be reformed.

Exile to the Mars colony

 

[Logiko]

If you think that the carceral system is fucked up I might be inclined to agree. But to think we don't need prisons is beyond retarded. There are genuine threats to society that can't be reformed.

I'm sorry, but you are underestimating the potential of society to be good

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Through death penalty we only seek blood. It's not justice, it's murder. Those who really seek justice also understand that while rapist and active pedophiles did horrible things, they are also influenced by systems that uncompass the entire population.

In other word, killing those guy is just a way not to look at ourselves and pounder the question "What if I could be influenced to do those type of things to". Because spoiler, you are, WE ALL are as men. That's the point of patriarchy.

What would you do if a child from your family that you are close with gets caught by a pedo and then killed? Would you give the same grand speeches?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I don’t have much sympathy for pedos and rapists.

Those people don’t get the death penalty regardless

 

[Logiko]

And since you guyz @Toby D. Dog @NAMELESS @Bisoromi Bear seems so imprevious to my rethoric, maybe you will be able to understand the facts and studies behind this papers:
(Must see, there are big charts so it is easy to read - And there is a top ten myth about prisons)

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html

Also, Serial Killers form only a very SMALL fraction of the detainees. And by small, I mean very small. To give you a representation, there was 3613 serial killer registered...... Between 1900 and 2020 and there are currently 1.2 MILLION people incarcerated in the US.

What would you do if a child from your family that you are close with gets caught by a pedo and then killed? Would you give the same grand speeches?

Yes I would. Because I actually believe in the sh*t I'm trying to convince with. If you think building a better society prevents you from getting angry, you have a long way to go.

Anger is the motor, but if you want to build an Utopia, you will have to stick to your ideas, it's too easy to give up when it's convenient.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No, in the west pedos and rapists get 2 years probation 🤡

depends what they’ve actually done

But in most of America if you can be diagnosed with pedophilic disorder or some other mental illness, and you have committed a violent sex crime, then even if you complete your sentence you can be involuntarily confined and sent to a mental institution for life.

 

[Blax Blah]

And since you guyz @Toby D. Dog @NAMELESS @Bisoromi Bear seems so imprevious to my rethoric, maybe you will be able to understand the facts and studies behind this papers:
(Must see, there are big charts so it is easy to read - And there is a top ten myth about prisons)

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html

Also, Serial Killers form only a very SMALL fraction of the detainees. And by small, I mean very small. To give you a representation, there was 3613 serial killer registered...... Between 1900 and 2020 and there are currently 1.2 MILLION people incarcerated in the US.


Yes I would. Because I actually believe in the sh*t I'm trying to convince with. If you think building a better society prevents you from getting angry, you have a long way to go.

Anger is the motor, but if you want to build an Utopia, you will have to stick to your ideas, it's too easy to give up when it's convenient.

1,2 million people is crazy

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Yes I would. Because I actually believe in the sh*t I'm trying to convince with. If you think building a better society prevents you from getting angry, you have a long way to go.

Anger is the motor, but if you want to build an Utopia, you will have to stick to your ideas, it's too easy to give up when it's convenient.

If someone commits capital murder, they should be executed

otherwise you are applying the death penalty selectively, which is inherently unjust

What bothers me is that often it seems applied arbitrarily with some people getting off and others getting executed with no real logic behind it

 

[Logiko]

If someone commits capital murder, they should be executed

No.

otherwise you are applying the death penalty selectively, which is inherently unjust

No. We should simply not apply death penalty, AT ALL. There are no valid excuses for death penalty when there are other choices.

 

[Mathias]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Crimes_and_Punishments

Not even worth it to apply death penalty.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Those people don’t get the death penalty regardless

That's what I meant too, this whole conversation makes 0 sense.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Those people don’t get the death penalty regardless

That's not the point of the conversation in the first place.

 

[Blax Blah]

If America has a population of 360 million people that is 1 out of 360 people being in jail, how is that that much?

Edit: And about those cases of crimes, I don't think the death penalty is good but measures must be taken against those things, it shouldn't be ignored when it happens

 

[Mathias]

If America has a population of 360 million people that is 1 out of 360 people being in jail, how is that that much?

Edit: And about those cases of crimes, I don't think the death penalty is good but measures must be taken against those things, it shouldn't be ignored when it happens

It is said that all Americans know someone who went to jail just like Italians know mafia members and Russians knew someone sent to Gulags

 

[RyoQ]

The death penalty is not justice.

You have to step out of the middle age.

Instead of saying it isn't justice, could you explain WHY it isn't justice?

It sure appears that someone, who violates another's right to life, has forfeited their own through an act of murder.

 

[Blax Blah]

It is said that all Americans know someone who went to jail just like Italians know mafia members and Russians knew someone sent to Gulags

Well what do 1,2 million people go to jail for?

Like there are not 1,2 million murderers or big thiefs otherwise there would be huge economic damages

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The death penalty is not justice.

You have to step out of the middle age.

Profoundly violent and evil people can only be dealt with:

1. Life imprisonment
2. Execution

Personally, executing someone seems more humane than the alternative

 

[SakazOuki]

This whole thing with the lady being burnt alive is just unreal, these punks stood there filming screaming yooo?
What the actual fuck, move your ass call some help try to smother the fire or something
Are people that disconnected? Feels like a simulation

And yes the culprit should be executed 100%

 

[Uncle Van]

Before death penalities, first thing to do is get rid of private prisons. They are contracted to the U.S government to provide for them free labor, while the government keeps the prisons at a minimum 95% capacity or else they'll pay out of pocket. A month ago I learned that there are actually prisons stocks and they skyrocketed after Trump got elected, all in participation for his mass deportation.

Corruption gonna be very fun the next 4 years. @Blax Blah There's your reason(one of) why U.S. prison population is so high.

 

[Reborn]

Death penalty is definitely not a deterrent and it undermines the rehabilitative, reformative ustice. It undermines the criminal justice system.

Right to life with dignity is the ultimate right and death penalty takes away that right.

So, definitely handing out death penalties is not good.


However, in rarest of rare cases/heinous crimes with aggravating circumstances when life imprisonment is just not enough of a justice to describe the nature and cruelty of heinous crime committed, death penalty should be considered (obviously after ensuring that there is compelling evidence, nature of crime, testimonies)


In the case of that man setting woman on fire, fanning the fire - heinous crime. Imagine the pain she felt for minutes while he sat there watching her burn and even fanning her while all that time she was alive....

Yeah...in this case, death penalty should be considered