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And since you guyz @Toby D. Dog @NAMELESS @Bisoromi Bear seems so imprevious to my rethoric, maybe you will be able to understand the facts and studies behind this papers:
(Must see, there are big charts so it is easy to read - And there is a top ten myth about prisons)
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html
Also, Serial Killers form only a very SMALL fraction of the detainees. And by small, I mean very small. To give you a representation, there was 3613 serial killer registered...... Between 1900 and 2020 and there are currently 1.2 MILLION people incarcerated in the US.
Yes I would. Because I actually believe in the sh*t I'm trying to convince with. If you think building a better society prevents you from getting angry, you have a long way to go.
Anger is the motor, but if you want to build an Utopia, you will have to stick to your ideas, it's too easy to give up when it's convenient.
(Must see, there are big charts so it is easy to read - And there is a top ten myth about prisons)
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html
Also, Serial Killers form only a very SMALL fraction of the detainees. And by small, I mean very small. To give you a representation, there was 3613 serial killer registered...... Between 1900 and 2020 and there are currently 1.2 MILLION people incarcerated in the US.
Yes I would. Because I actually believe in the sh*t I'm trying to convince with. If you think building a better society prevents you from getting angry, you have a long way to go.
Anger is the motor, but if you want to build an Utopia, you will have to stick to your ideas, it's too easy to give up when it's convenient.
Before death penalities, first thing to do is get rid of private prisons. They are contracted to the U.S government to provide for them free labor, while the government keeps the prisons at a minimum 95% capacity or else they'll pay out of pocket. A month ago I learned that there are actually prisons stocks and they skyrocketed after Trump got elected, all in participation for his mass deportation.
Corruption gonna be very fun the next 4 years. @Blax Blah There's your reason(one of) why U.S. prison population is so high.
Corruption gonna be very fun the next 4 years. @Blax Blah There's your reason(one of) why U.S. prison population is so high.
Death penalty is definitely not a deterrent and it undermines the rehabilitative, reformative ustice. It undermines the criminal justice system.
Right to life with dignity is the ultimate right and death penalty takes away that right.
So, definitely handing out death penalties is not good.
However, in rarest of rare cases/heinous crimes with aggravating circumstances when life imprisonment is just not enough of a justice to describe the nature and cruelty of heinous crime committed, death penalty should be considered (obviously after ensuring that there is compelling evidence, nature of crime, testimonies)
In the case of that man setting woman on fire, fanning the fire - heinous crime. Imagine the pain she felt for minutes while he sat there watching her burn and even fanning her while all that time she was alive....
Yeah...in this case, death penalty should be considered
Right to life with dignity is the ultimate right and death penalty takes away that right.
So, definitely handing out death penalties is not good.
However, in rarest of rare cases/heinous crimes with aggravating circumstances when life imprisonment is just not enough of a justice to describe the nature and cruelty of heinous crime committed, death penalty should be considered (obviously after ensuring that there is compelling evidence, nature of crime, testimonies)
In the case of that man setting woman on fire, fanning the fire - heinous crime. Imagine the pain she felt for minutes while he sat there watching her burn and even fanning her while all that time she was alive....
Yeah...in this case, death penalty should be considered
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I said death penalty for extreme cases, not to every murderer. You have poor reading skills.
Criminals DO fear the application of harsh laws. Look up Saudi Arabia laws and their statistics on theft.
Or at least forfeit their freedom.
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Criminals DO fear the application of harsh laws. Look up Saudi Arabia laws and their statistics on theft.
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Or at least forfeit their freedom.
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You have to think about what justice is. Now, there are a few definitions of justice but I will tell you what it means for me:
For me, Justice is a system that is just. This means:
- A system that understands our place in the world
- A system that seek peace and not revenge.
- A system that does not kill
- A system that value life over death
- A system that does not fall for emotions
- A system that is not meant to harm, but to repare
- A system that is allowing people to change
- A system that understands the reasons behind the actions of an indivudual without legitimizing them
- A system that understands that crimes are in the past and that adding suffering on victims or on guilty parties will only make more suffering and not balance society toward more positivity
- A system that recognize that all human, even those who did the most horrible things, have potential for good.
In such system, A murderer is not seen as an horrible person, but as a human who did something horrible. Which means that we can work on it. The system will help the victims recover, but will prevent more people to seek violence.
In fact, under a good justice under a good system (call it socialism if you want), there should be very low reasons to do crimes:
- Crimes of passion ? Gone for the most part as we deconstructed patriarchy
- Drugs crimes ? Gone for the most part as we will have created a health care system that will take addiction into account.
- Robberies and thefts ? Gone. Why would you try to rob in a society where you are not lacking necessary needs ? Thanks anticapitalism
- Rape ? What did I tell you ? Without patriarchy, Rapes are mostly history Etc.
At the end, we will be left with the 0.1% of psychopath who can only find satisfaction in killing and I bet that EVEN FOR THOSE we can find peacefull and inclusive solutions.
You see guyz... I know what it means to feel confort in a bad environment. i've been doing that for years. So much that I'm literally scared to have a new and more peacefull environment.
This is conditionning.
Capitalism made you believe that you should be afraid of seeking a better future. It made you believe that it was impossible to do. But it's not. What I just told you here are simply the logical and mathematical result of the absence of 2 of the most oppressive systems on the planet.
And we KNOW how to get rid of those. This is what I've been trying to tell you for months and months.
The reason why we do not succeed in ending capitalism or patriarchy or ableism... is NOT because it's hard to do. It's very easy to do !
It's because people who refuse to seek a better future are constantly trying to stop us from doing it!
See.. you are one of the people who refuse to think of things differently.
You are literally stuck in a narrow and conservative vision of the world on this subject. I literally shared a document proving by A+B with a LOT of reasearches and studies that what you said is false.
Like I said, you and others here refuse to seek something better. You don't want it. You prefer the confort of the oppression.
It's something you know, so it's reassuring.
I said ALL CASES.
There is no valid excuses for death penalty in ALL CASES.
No. This was already proven. Death penalty is not a deterent. It's factual.
For me, Justice is a system that is just. This means:
- A system that understands our place in the world
- A system that seek peace and not revenge.
- A system that does not kill
- A system that value life over death
- A system that does not fall for emotions
- A system that is not meant to harm, but to repare
- A system that is allowing people to change
- A system that understands the reasons behind the actions of an indivudual without legitimizing them
- A system that understands that crimes are in the past and that adding suffering on victims or on guilty parties will only make more suffering and not balance society toward more positivity
- A system that recognize that all human, even those who did the most horrible things, have potential for good.
In such system, A murderer is not seen as an horrible person, but as a human who did something horrible. Which means that we can work on it. The system will help the victims recover, but will prevent more people to seek violence.
In fact, under a good justice under a good system (call it socialism if you want), there should be very low reasons to do crimes:
- Crimes of passion ? Gone for the most part as we deconstructed patriarchy
- Drugs crimes ? Gone for the most part as we will have created a health care system that will take addiction into account.
- Robberies and thefts ? Gone. Why would you try to rob in a society where you are not lacking necessary needs ? Thanks anticapitalism
- Rape ? What did I tell you ? Without patriarchy, Rapes are mostly history Etc.
At the end, we will be left with the 0.1% of psychopath who can only find satisfaction in killing and I bet that EVEN FOR THOSE we can find peacefull and inclusive solutions.
You see guyz... I know what it means to feel confort in a bad environment. i've been doing that for years. So much that I'm literally scared to have a new and more peacefull environment.
This is conditionning.
Capitalism made you believe that you should be afraid of seeking a better future. It made you believe that it was impossible to do. But it's not. What I just told you here are simply the logical and mathematical result of the absence of 2 of the most oppressive systems on the planet.
And we KNOW how to get rid of those. This is what I've been trying to tell you for months and months.
The reason why we do not succeed in ending capitalism or patriarchy or ableism... is NOT because it's hard to do. It's very easy to do !
It's because people who refuse to seek a better future are constantly trying to stop us from doing it!
See.. you are one of the people who refuse to think of things differently.
You are literally stuck in a narrow and conservative vision of the world on this subject. I literally shared a document proving by A+B with a LOT of reasearches and studies that what you said is false.
Like I said, you and others here refuse to seek something better. You don't want it. You prefer the confort of the oppression.
It's something you know, so it's reassuring.
I said ALL CASES.
There is no valid excuses for death penalty in ALL CASES.
No. This was already proven. Death penalty is not a deterent. It's factual.