Character Discussion Kizaru Vs Aokiji, Which Character Is Better Written?

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Vasco and Devon aren't even close to the CDs in atrocities and Garp still protects their regime even if he copes by not taking direct orders.

There's also clearly some beneficial goal at the end of Kuzan's plot.

They definitely are close to the CDs lol. They kill a lot, rape a lot, pillage a lot, enslave a lot.
They're true pirates. And they're evil as fuck due to that.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

They definitely are close to the CDs lol. They kill a lot, rape a lot, pillage a lot, enslave a lot.
They're true pirates. And they're evil as fuck due to that.

Really? Devon and Vasco do annual genocide games?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I will say one of my favorite things about the Marineford Admirals is that their justice is just a natural evolution of the golden trio based on who seemed to have trained them:

1. Garp and Kuzan:
Kuzans abandonment of the marines is how someone who truly follows “My Justice” would do as I mentioned earlier. Kuzan refused to limit his own sense of justice to work for an organization he could no longer find a way to agree with.

2. Tsuru and Sakazuki
Sakazukis absolute justice is just an extreme version of Tsurus cleansing justice whereas Tsuru believes that evil can be cleansed from individuals and rehabilitated, Sakazukis absolute justice believes in the cleansing of evil by completely eliminating anyone he sees as evil.

3. Kizaru and Sengoku
Kizarus unclear justice and “cog in a machine” ideology is clearly an extreme version of Sengokus reigning justice. Where Sengokus justice relies on maintaining the status quo where the world government reigns as justice despite his personal opinions, Kizarus unclear justice completely eliminates his personal opinions where he doesn’t even know what is justice anymore and just follows orders.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I will say one of my favorite things about the Marineford Admirals is that their justice is just a natural evolution of the golden trio based on who seemed to have trained them:

1. Garp and Kuzan:
Kuzans abandonment of the marines is how someone who truly follows “My Justice” would do as I mentioned earlier. Kuzan refused to limit his own sense of justice to work for an organization he could no longer find a way to agree with.

2. Tsuru and Sakazuki
Sakazukis absolute justice is just an extreme version of Tsurus cleansing justice whereas Tsuru believes that evil can be cleansed from individuals and rehabilitated, Sakazukis absolute justice believes in the cleansing of evil by completely eliminating anyone he sees as evil.

3. Kizaru and Sengoku
Kizarus unclear justice and “cog in a machine” ideology is clearly an extreme version of Sengokus reigning justice. Where Sengokus justice relies on maintaining the status quo where the world government reigns as justice despite his personal opinions, Kizarus unclear justice completely eliminates his personal opinions where he doesn’t even know what is justice anymore and just follows orders.

Maybe a thread worthy observation.

"My justice" -> leaving the government

Cleansing Justice -> Thorough Justice

Reigning Justice -> Unclear Justice

Cinema

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Really? Devon and Vasco do annual genocide games?

No, but do you really think they're above such a thing, though?

 

[SakazOuki]

Garp enjoying his CD paid vacation time knowing his employers are hunting down an entire island’s population because it’s fun

”Wait a second Roger is there??”

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

No, but do you really think they're above such a thing, though?

No, but this is missing the point.

Garp is not a good guy but the story glorifies him, even when he's not even one of the more admirable marines (Fuji is above him in that regard and Kuzan is relative to him if not also above).

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Garp enjoying his CD money vacation time knowing his employers are hunting down an entire island’s population because it’s fun

”Wait a second Roger is there??”

Oda lowkey fucked up and made the CDs wayyy too comically evil.

Garp's character doesn't even make sense.

 

[SakazOuki]

“Why did my son become a revolutionary”

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

“Why did my son become a revolutionary”

"Why did my grandson become a pirate"

"Why did my other grandson become a pirate"

"Why did my student become a pirate"

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No, but this is missing the point.

Garp is not a good guy but the story glorifies him, even when he's not even one of the more admirable marines (Fuji is above him in that regard and Kuzan is relative to him if not also above).

He's not a good guy but he's also not a bootlicker.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

He's not a good guy but he's also not a bootlicker.

There is nothing admirable about not being a bootlicker if you’re already a piece of shit.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He's not a good guy but he's also not a bootlicker.

There’s honestly something worse about a sanctimonious bystander. At least we know the marines will get their comeuppance, but for Garp Oda tries to push that he was a good man when he really isn’t which makes it seem like he won’t ever get what’s coming to him.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

There’s honestly something worse about a sanctimonious bystander. At least we know the marines will get their comeuppance, but for Garp Oda tries to push that he was a good man when he really isn’t which makes it seem like he won’t ever get what’s coming to him.

 

[Dragountless]

I'm sorry, but Kizaru is just boring as a character. I liked his introduction on Sabaody - he felt very competent (unlike Kuzan who let strawhats leave), but he is also stubborn and kinda weird; overall = cool. But he just doesn't get any follow-through as a character. What does he want? Why did he join the Marines? His dream? Maybe he wants luxury life, thats why? Who knows.
The only clear thing about Kizaru that we 4sure know — "I'm just cog in machine". Really? Thats all???
But with the other Admirals, everything is quite clear and understandable (even with Greenbull, even tho it was very primitive)

His Egghead plotline with Vega and Kuma feels very forced and probably retconned btw.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

There’s honestly something worse about a sanctimonious bystander. At least we know the marines will get their comeuppance, but for Garp Oda tries to push that he was a good man when he really isn’t which makes it seem like he won’t ever get what’s coming to him.

hes literally going to get killed by pirates after being abandoned by the government lol

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

hes literally going to get killed by pirates after being abandoned by the government lol

You mean Garp will? Why do you think that?

 

[Juanpiz]

Well the Result is clear

 

[Sir Yasheen]

hes literally going to get killed by pirates after being abandoned by the government lol

We literally have Sengoku and Tsuru on their way to him now.

 

[Dragon777]

We literally have Sengoku and Tsuru on their way to him now.

We do?