Character Discussion Kizaru Vs Aokiji, Which Character Is Better Written?
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I disagree.
With Kizaru’s it’s just that he hadn’t fully conceptualized the character back then. There’s nothing wrong with that, that’s basically standard writing and not even a retcon (an example of a true retcon would be actively making something canon non-canon).
People hold Oda to a standard that’s ridiculous, OP is a battle Shonen like any other not some high tier literary masterpiece.
When I say Kuzan or Borsalino is a good character I shouldn’t have to explain that’s w/ respect to OP. Like obviously lmao
With Kizaru’s it’s just that he hadn’t fully conceptualized the character back then. There’s nothing wrong with that, that’s basically standard writing and not even a retcon (an example of a true retcon would be actively making something canon non-canon).
People hold Oda to a standard that’s ridiculous, OP is a battle Shonen like any other not some high tier literary masterpiece.
When I say Kuzan or Borsalino is a good character I shouldn’t have to explain that’s w/ respect to OP. Like obviously lmao
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I never said it was a full blown retcon , oda changed the relationship of these characters which felt very forced ,
There weren’t many interactions in sabaody for me to call it a retcon but u can see the coldness in kizaru’s dialogue towards kuma , u don’t say something like that to someone who is supposed to be a close friend.
No one said it has to be a high tier literary masterpiece lol ,
Being a shounen is an excuse ,
hxh and naruto fucks onepiece in the ass here .
I never compared them with characters outside of onepiece , if I do that then op characters belong in shit tier bottom category .
kuzan simply obliterates kizaru in terms of character writing , kizaru is just a messed up character who looks good cause he had an emotional moment in the end .
There weren’t many interactions in sabaody for me to call it a retcon but u can see the coldness in kizaru’s dialogue towards kuma , u don’t say something like that to someone who is supposed to be a close friend.
No one said it has to be a high tier literary masterpiece lol ,
Being a shounen is an excuse ,
hxh and naruto fucks onepiece in the ass here .
I never compared them with characters outside of onepiece , if I do that then op characters belong in shit tier bottom category .
kuzan simply obliterates kizaru in terms of character writing , kizaru is just a messed up character who looks good cause he had an emotional moment in the end .
I also want to add that Kizaru does not feel like a leader and an independent person in the context of his power. Man is 58 old, has the status of an admiral; but at the same time his actions/authority feels like the level of an average military officer. It doesn't feel like this character has any impact in the world of One Piece other than intimidating bums (in terms of authority and power, *not in powerscaling term*).
In the recent arc he went to Egghead with that incompetent Gorosei (i forgot name of that bum lol), than he took somewhat important role in Vegapunk plot; but the subsequent plot developments immediately devalued this or did not develop it at all
Now compare that with Akainu of Aokiji (or even Fujitora).
In the recent arc he went to Egghead with that incompetent Gorosei (i forgot name of that bum lol), than he took somewhat important role in Vegapunk plot; but the subsequent plot developments immediately devalued this or did not develop it at all
Now compare that with Akainu of Aokiji (or even Fujitora).
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To be honest Aokiji didn't really feel like he deserved to be an admiral or position of great leadership for the Marines given how lazy and unambitious he is most of the time, how he let several criminals slip through his fingers, how he trusted Spandam enough to give him a golden snailphone with the disastrous conquences we know, and how we don't actually see him making any show of authority, big decision or plan benefitting the marines or making him look like a true leader.
Yep, but Aokiji is very charming as person (heart of gold). Plus, despite his ice man and laziness gimmick — his heart is very warm and decisive unlike Akainu who is still under Celestial Dragons; for his ambition to do something good as a person, he even joined Blackbeard's crew (which contained total evil scums). Remember what he said to Smoker — "I am still me". About Spandam and Strawhats — i think he was burned out after Ohara Incident; his faith in justice collapsed (as we see in flashbacks). After Marineford War, seems like his inner feelings opened (why then did he need to fight with Akainu for fleet admiral if not for "fixing the broken" aka justice?)
Akainu is also very strong-willed as a person, insane willpower during Marineford. Kizaru doesn't feel as important and strong-willed as those two; we saw this in recent arc.
Akainu is also very strong-willed as a person, insane willpower during Marineford. Kizaru doesn't feel as important and strong-willed as those two; we saw this in recent arc.
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The marines are supposed to be individuals choosing between the lesser of two evils. A lawful evil which the people live under a tyrants thumb or a chaotic one where the people live every day in fear of pirates and invaders.
The issue is where Oda tries to make morally good marines who spout nonsense about human lives. It makes them look hypocritical like Garp and Fujitora.
The issue is where Oda tries to make morally good marines who spout nonsense about human lives. It makes them look hypocritical like Garp and Fujitora.