Character Discussion Kizaru Vs Aokiji, Which Character Is Better Written?
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I agree It's a possibility, we saw them together in 1116, even though It's not stated what they are doing.
To be honest, I agree with you: It should be absolutely logical for them to try to save Garp. However, plot-wise, what that could bring?
- BB cannot lose Garp without getting anything from him and after having just lost Koby precisely thanks to a rescue mission;
- what BBP are going to do then, beat Sengoku e Tsuru too? But they already had Garp, would be more of the same;
- or even worse, Oda Is going to make them a joke even more? Is he having Sengoku and Tsuru succeed, maybe because Kuzan and Teach are not there for reasons?
I don't see any positive output from this.
To be honest, I agree with you: It should be absolutely logical for them to try to save Garp. However, plot-wise, what that could bring?
- BB cannot lose Garp without getting anything from him and after having just lost Koby precisely thanks to a rescue mission;
- what BBP are going to do then, beat Sengoku e Tsuru too? But they already had Garp, would be more of the same;
- or even worse, Oda Is going to make them a joke even more? Is he having Sengoku and Tsuru succeed, maybe because Kuzan and Teach are not there for reasons?
I don't see any positive output from this.
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If Sengoku and Tsuru are doing anything relevant it’s most likely to be with Cross Guild. They were talking about how they are a massive threat to the Marines that need to be dealt with quickly.
It makes very little sense for them to go to Garp, where as you’ve pointed out, plot-wise brings nothing.
Sengoku and Tsuru are also meant to be the strait-laced, by-the-book Marines compared to Garp being the maverick. Garp went on an unauthorised rescue mission because that’s his character. Sengoku and Tsuru are not going to do anything so rash and unauthorised, and I’m not convinced that Akainu will give permission to rescue Garp. He might, on the other hand, give permission to go after Cross Guild since they are explicitly targeting Marines in a way no other Yonko ever has.
It makes very little sense for them to go to Garp, where as you’ve pointed out, plot-wise brings nothing.
Sengoku and Tsuru are also meant to be the strait-laced, by-the-book Marines compared to Garp being the maverick. Garp went on an unauthorised rescue mission because that’s his character. Sengoku and Tsuru are not going to do anything so rash and unauthorised, and I’m not convinced that Akainu will give permission to rescue Garp. He might, on the other hand, give permission to go after Cross Guild since they are explicitly targeting Marines in a way no other Yonko ever has.
I undestand, but there would have been far less convoluted methods to have BB killing Sengoku.
Not having him kidnap Koby, just to have Garp rescue him, just to have Garp defeated there, just to have Sengoku and Tsuru going there, just to have the second rescue attempt at the same Island in the span of 100 (?) chapters fail (again, somehow) with another legendary marine falling at Beehive.
Sure, It would make logical sense for Sengoku and Tsuru to go and save Garp, but at this point It wouldn't make narrative sense.
It would be either a more of the same or Oda basically destorying the build up he created with Garp's defeat (if the manage to free him)
I can see Sengoku against CG much more.
I agree.
Sengoku was somehow connected to the CG plot and that Is the direction I would be pointing at.
I undestand It would make logical sense for them to go and try to save Garp (even thought they don't know if he Is alive), but It wouldn't have any narrative sense now.
Not having him kidnap Koby, just to have Garp rescue him, just to have Garp defeated there, just to have Sengoku and Tsuru going there, just to have the second rescue attempt at the same Island in the span of 100 (?) chapters fail (again, somehow) with another legendary marine falling at Beehive.
Sure, It would make logical sense for Sengoku and Tsuru to go and save Garp, but at this point It wouldn't make narrative sense.
It would be either a more of the same or Oda basically destorying the build up he created with Garp's defeat (if the manage to free him)
I can see Sengoku against CG much more.
I agree.
Sengoku was somehow connected to the CG plot and that Is the direction I would be pointing at.
I undestand It would make logical sense for them to go and try to save Garp (even thought they don't know if he Is alive), but It wouldn't have any narrative sense now.
The issue with him going for CG is it doesn’t make sense to go now. Like CGs been making moves against the marines for weeks and suddenly after hearing his best friends been captured he leaves to handle CG? Doesn’t really make any narrative sense.
This is really just pre timeskip Blackbeard doing the same thing in the new world:
1. Plans to use Coby to have the WG make him a recognized king ~ Plans to use Luffy to have the WG make him a warlord
2. Garp interferes with this plan and instead of having a captured Coby, he captures Garp ~ Ace interferes with this plan and instead of defeating Luffy, he defeats Ace
3. Whitebeard comes to save his crew mate and Blackbeard steals his fruit ~ Sengoku comes to save his best friend and Blackbeard steals his fruit
It’s the same narrative.
This is really just pre timeskip Blackbeard doing the same thing in the new world:
1. Plans to use Coby to have the WG make him a recognized king ~ Plans to use Luffy to have the WG make him a warlord
2. Garp interferes with this plan and instead of having a captured Coby, he captures Garp ~ Ace interferes with this plan and instead of defeating Luffy, he defeats Ace
3. Whitebeard comes to save his crew mate and Blackbeard steals his fruit ~ Sengoku comes to save his best friend and Blackbeard steals his fruit
It’s the same narrative.
It's not necessary that Sengoku and Tsuru are explicitly going against the CG now. They could have been going to Beehive and then the CG does someting and they are forced to go there, etc.
Some plot reason.
The difference with that was:
A) that was BB's grand Plan;
B) the characters involved were all very different and the situations and locations were all very different: here we would have 2 rescue missions, same Island, same outcome (kind of);
C) there was a lot of time to "dilute" the events. Here, there Is basically any.
A second rescue mission at the same Island, by the "same" organizations (marine vs BBP), with the same outcome and with Sengoku instead of Garp (so, another old legendary Marine having his last standing), would be really some heavy more of the same now.
Some plot reason.
The difference with that was:
A) that was BB's grand Plan;
B) the characters involved were all very different and the situations and locations were all very different: here we would have 2 rescue missions, same Island, same outcome (kind of);
C) there was a lot of time to "dilute" the events. Here, there Is basically any.
A second rescue mission at the same Island, by the "same" organizations (marine vs BBP), with the same outcome and with Sengoku instead of Garp (so, another old legendary Marine having his last standing), would be really some heavy more of the same now.
Cross Guild has still yet to make any real moves it seems, theyre still lying in wait.
I doubt they’re going to beehive now, rather, I feel they’re coming to cash in a favor. 2 years ago, Sengoku allowed Shanks to take Whitebeard and Aces bodies from Marineford, Sengokus not dumb enough to think he and Tsuru alone with a small ship of marines can handle a Yonko crew (CG or BBP) nah, Sengoku is probably meeting up with Shanks so that the two of them together can take down the BBP in a fight that’ll take place on New Marineford.
But imo it’s clear that Sengokus role right now is related to Garp and the BBP not CG.
I doubt they’re going to beehive now, rather, I feel they’re coming to cash in a favor. 2 years ago, Sengoku allowed Shanks to take Whitebeard and Aces bodies from Marineford, Sengokus not dumb enough to think he and Tsuru alone with a small ship of marines can handle a Yonko crew (CG or BBP) nah, Sengoku is probably meeting up with Shanks so that the two of them together can take down the BBP in a fight that’ll take place on New Marineford.
But imo it’s clear that Sengokus role right now is related to Garp and the BBP not CG.
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Kizaru's character is better
I find Kuzan's character to be the more childish of the two. His reasons for doing what he does are not compelling and difficult to relate to, it really feels like he's just rebelling because he lost
Kizaru's character is better
I find Kuzan's character to be the more childish of the two. His reasons for doing what he does are not compelling and difficult to relate to, it really feels like he's just rebelling because he lost
Having less interactions doesn’t mean shit ,
It depends on how impactful the relationship is , Garp and Kuzan’s is way better than whatever bs vegapunk and kizaru had
U genuinely had no emotion towards those small flashbacks oda was trying to push in the manga
There was simply no setup 🤷♂️
In the end we got a simple outburst of emotions and people ate that up cause kizaru had a moment of vulnerability / iconic crying panel which automatically makes someone a toptier character in this fandom XD
It depends on how impactful the relationship is , Garp and Kuzan’s is way better than whatever bs vegapunk and kizaru had
U genuinely had no emotion towards those small flashbacks oda was trying to push in the manga
There was simply no setup 🤷♂️
In the end we got a simple outburst of emotions and people ate that up cause kizaru had a moment of vulnerability / iconic crying panel which automatically makes someone a toptier character in this fandom XD
