No, everyone's. You thought to type "not mine" and then typed it, not the other way around
Nop. All the material conditions of my existence made me type that.

:goyea:

So again I'm going to ask you to demonstrate why the will needs an internal reason to choose option X over option Y

It's an assumption that it needs an internal reason
Because without causations, there is no consequences.
The signals are the consequences of the material conditions of our existence
The signal are also the causation for our choice.

The chain of causality goes like this:

Material conditions of existence in and out of our brain > Physical phenomenon that create signal inside our brain > Apparition of the path toward the action of choice through electrical signals > Apparition of the consciouness of this path > Creation of the illusion of choice being made > Action of the body in consequence of the electrical signals.
 
My worry is that Hindus are easy targets

That coupled with rising india hate creates the possibility for something very bad to happen
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Not in America
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Christianity is the most popular religion
It’s on online mostly . I think you should not worry too much .

However if you feel worried about your safety you should notify the police about rise of hate and ask community leaders if the increase in security is needed in an hour .
 
Nop. All the material conditions of my existence made me type that.
Because without causations, there is no consequences.
The signals are the consequences of the material conditions of our existence
The signal are also the causation for our choice.
That what must move the will is reason, is an assumption

Your argument is that a lack of an example = an impossibility

Or in this case, that we have not experienced a movement of our will not precipitated by a reason = our will MUST be moved by reason

Why is it impossible for our will to be moved without a reason? A lack of example of this occuring doesn't entail impossibility.

Example
Imagine if someone only came across swans that are 3ft tall

Just because we don't have an example of a swan over 3ft tall, does that mean it's impossible for there to be a swan over 3ft tall?

Same with free will. The burden of proof is on you to now prove it's impossible to make a choice without a reason, just because we haven't experienced one
 
It’s on online mostly . I think you should not worry too much .

However if you feel worried about your safety you should notify the police about rise of hate and ask community leaders if the increase in security is needed in an hour .
I don’t care too much about myself, as I said the Jewish events I go to do have decent security.

But I might let my uncle know about this stuff because I know he’s pretty active in his hindu community.
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it is mostly just online

Being openly racist irl just makes you look bad

but like I said it only takes one guy to act on it for people to die
 
Damn @Germinator got mental stamina/fortitude for days lol. Logiko usually tries to win debates by burning people out with long ass posts and poor logic. All we needed was a bigger psycho.

Doesn't sound good when you say it out loud though....
@Logiko will probably be unmatched again when people's vacation end and they go back to work.
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That what must move the will is reason, is an assumption

Your argument is that a lack of an example = an impossibility

Or in this case, that we have not experienced a movement of our will not precipitated by a reason = our will MUST be moved by reason

Why is it impossible for our will to be moved without a reason? A lack of example of this occuring doesn't entail impossibility.

Example
Imagine if someone only came across swans that are 3ft tall

Just because we don't have an example of a swan over 3ft tall, does that mean it's impossible for there to be a swan over 3ft tall?

Same with free will. The burden of proof is on you to now prove it's impossible to make a choice without a reason, just because we haven't experienced one
We are literally typing in here with no good reason at all:doffytroll:
 
Example
Imagine if someone only came across swans that are 3ft tall

Just because we don't have an example of a swan over 3ft tall, does that mean it's impossible for there to be a swan over 3ft tall?

Same with free will. The burden of proof is on you to now prove it's impossible to make a choice without a reason, just because we haven't experienced one
Why is it impossible for our will to be moved without a reason?
Because it is physically impossible.

(Since I will be sharing studies, this will be my last reply on the absence of free will, at least if there is no understanding)

In our scenario, you can't move toward the button unless the proper signals in your brain are created in order for you to move. This means that physical signals precedes movement.

BUT

We also know that those physical phenomenons preceed the consciousness of our choices and our experience of will:

> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3052770/ < This study suggest that "the experience of will emerges as the culmination of premotor activity (probably in combination with networks in parietal cortex) starting several hundreds of ms before awareness."

> https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.2112 < This study shows that "the outcome of a decision can be encoded in brain activity of prefrontal and parietal cortex up to 10 s before it enters awareness. "

SO

This means that physical phenomenon preceed the our consciousness and therefore what we think are our choices. Which means that your brain already created the conditions for you to move your finger a few hundreds of milliseconds or even a second before you even experiment the will to choose to push the button.

This was for the physical side of the process. I'm not a scientist, I can't tell you exactly what happens in term of biology or even if there is quantum mechanic involved.

But already we understand that our "will" is but an illusion, a projection of this process inside of our brain. We think we move out of will but our brain already made the deal long before we think we thought about it.

NOW

There is a second layer to that. And this is the nature of the pressure of the material condition of existence on said process. As we understand with those studies, this process is not dependant of your will as it is but an event in a chain of reaction and causality.

But when we look at the influence of the material condition of our existence, we can understand how those will play a role even before the creation of said process inside of our brain.

In our example, you will push the button because you are in love, this is a fundamental part of your material conditions of your existence. And this will be playing a major place in the creation of the process we have talked about before. Love will create the condition for you to move toward one movement : Pushing the button.

You think you have a choice because you will have the illusion of will projected by your brain activity and your consciousness. But this will only be an illusion. There is no choice, there is a pre-determined path created by the entire set of material condition of your existence. Inside your brain and outside of it.

This means that your movement of pushing the button could be predicted to happen exactly as predicted in around 99% of the tests (I'm taking into account the possibility of an event outside of the predicted scenario happening). Simply because in this experimentation, the material conditions of your existence will be somewhat under control and there is absolutely no way that you could let your loved one die without acting.

This shows that your experience of free will, of choice, will be an illusion. Just like it is an illusion for all of us. Even me typing what I'm typing here.

We are not gods who can somehow influence our material condition of existence out of pure will ex-nihilo. We are a part of a greatter system.


All we needed was a bigger psycho.
No. It's just the result of a long period of introspection and the inaction of this forum. So in a way, you could say that you participated in me giving up the discussions here.

:BigW:
 
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Because it is physically impossible.

(Since I will be sharing studies, this will be my last reply on the absence of free will, at least if there is no understanding)

In our scenario, you can't move toward the button unless the proper signals in your brain are created in order for you to move. This means that physical signals precedes movement.

BUT

We also know that those physical phenomenons preceed the consciousness of our choices and our experience of will:

> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3052770/ < This study suggest that "the experience of will emerges as the culmination of premotor activity (probably in combination with networks in parietal cortex) starting several hundreds of ms before awareness."

> https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.2112 < This study shows that "the outcome of a decision can be encoded in brain activity of prefrontal and parietal cortex up to 10 s before it enters awareness. "

SO

This means that physical phenomenon preceed the our consciousness and therefore what we think are our choices. Which means that your brain already created the conditions for you to move your finger a few hundreds of milliseconds or even a second before you even experiment the will to choose to push the button.

This was for the physical side of the process. I'm not a scientist, I can't tell you exactly what happens in term of biology or even if there is quantum mechanic involved.

But already we understand that our "will" is but an illusion, a projection of this process inside of our brain. We think we move out of will but our brain already made the deal long before we think we thought about it.

NOW

There is a second layer to that. And this is the nature of the pressure of the material condition of existence on said process. As we understand with those studies, this process is not dependant of your will as it is but an event in a chain of reaction and causality.

But when we look at the influence of the material condition of our existence, we can understand how those will play a role even before the creation of said process inside of our brain.

In our example, you will push the button because you are in love, this is a fundamental part of your material conditions of your existence. And this will be playing a major place in the creation of the process we have talked about before. Love will create the condition for you to move toward one movement : Pushing the button.

You think you have a choice because you will have the illusion of will projected by your brain activity and your consciousness. But this will only be an illusion. There is no choice, there is a pre-determined path created by the entire set of material condition of your existence. Inside your brain and outside of it.

This means that your movement of pushing the button could be predicted to happen exactly as predicted in around 99% of the tests (I'm taking into account the possibility of an event outside of the predicted scenario happening). Simply because in this experimentation, the material conditions of your existence will be somewhat under control and there is absolutely no way that you could let your loved one die without acting.

This shows that your experience of free will, of choice, will be an illusion. Just like it is an illusion for all of us. Even me typing what I'm typing here.

We are not gods who can somehow influence our material condition of existence out of pure will ex-nihilo. We are a part of a greatter system.



No. It's just the result of a long period of introspection and the inaction of this forum. So in a way, you could say that you participated in me giving up the discussions here.

:BigW:
Why is your carrot profile pic shattered like that?
 
value cockroach as similar in inherent value to humans. Nuance* - I choose to raise that value when you choose to diminish it.

Now, it doesn't mean that I will act the same way with a coackroach or with a human. As my education and my situation are preventing me from being really coherent with this belief. But inherently, I'm forced to aknowledge the fact that the superior inherent value we put on humans is a social construct.
Are you vegan?
 
He's just built different.
To be honest, this guy gave me the hope of being able to discuss with a reasonnable person here. But then.. I saw that he was not at all willing to rethink his vision or argumentation and started to be disrespectfull

A high point followed by a big dissapointement. this was the last straw.

I'm taking my spaceship out.

 
Yeah I know most of them won’t

but the fact that there are so many people who passionately hate Indians is concerning

because you only need one guy insane enough to act on it for many people to die
That goes for everything and for anyone, I don't see any particular amount of violence against them. It can also help not saying that you need to import a gorillion from another nation saying that the guys from the country that accepted you are too stupid to be hired, when in reality they just ask for more money (Elon).
yeah but just saying that isn’t a hate crime. Hate crimes are actual crimes committed against people deemed to be motivated by hate.
You never know the criteria they use to make their statistics, these data are often incredibly skewed, like for example I remember one time the survey for the data about violence against women had a very, very broad definition for it. It was basically a meme.
just because some people make bad faith antisemitism allegations doesn’t mean real antisemites don’t exist.

White supremacist terrorism is the most common form of terrorism in America and most of those people hate Jews.
I think something that can help against antisemitism is actively trying not to piss off everyone. Like for example not genociding other populations or trying to undermine other religions.
 
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