Questions & Mysteries What/Who there is in the Heaven World?

ShinichiMugi

ShinichiMugi

‎
#1
#1
So far we saw the two "worlds" in the kingdom of Elbaph,the Underworld,and the Sunworld.

-The Underworld seems to be mostly a wild land,altough it should be present also a bar where Korn,the kid,met Shanks (or maybe that was in the Sunworld)

-The Sunworld is where Dory,Brogy and others live. There are schools,and there is also the castle where the king lived,before his death

-So,the question now becomes: what there is in the Heavenworld? If the king of Elbaph lived in the Sunworld,what could possibly host the Heavenworld? Will there be some gods? Will there be another race,like Lunarians? Or even..aliens? What do you think there is in the Heavenworld?
 
O

OykotsTreasure

‎
#4
#4
It's possible that the Heaven World is less about WHO'S there, and more about WHAT'S there.

We've already seen a few different wild animals that seem to have Devil Fruit powers on Elbaph. The Lion-Cat and the Book-Owl. These animals must have found their Devil Fruits somewhere on the island.

Is it possible that the upper layer of the World Tree is where Devil Fruits grow? Maybe they only grow on the topmost branches, where they're the closest to the sun?

Some people are speculating that the top of the tree could be a connection to the afterlife, due to the parallels with the World Tree, with a bunch of ghosts hovering around the top of the tree. This is due to people speculating that it's connected to Helheim, the realm of the Dead from Norse mythology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_(location)

But, given that the "Under World" layer of the Tree is icy cold, it's possible that the top of the Tree is actually blazing hot due to being close to the sun. Making it more of a parallel to Muspelheim, the fiery realm of the demons and Surtur. The "world destroyers" in other words, which is relevant due to Loki's goals. And...well, "fire demons" COULD describe the Lunarians, or a offshoot of the Lunarians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muspelheim

So...maybe the "heaven layer" is home to "fire demons" manipulating something like Mother Flame in order to grow Devil Fruits?



Or maybe there's just a old abandoned Nika Temple up there. And we'll go up there to find a few mysterious murals that hint at the true origins of Nika?

Maybe, in order to "destroy the world", Loki has to race to this temple in order to activate some sort of ancient machine? Norse mythology does have several different "magic wells" that gives you access to different magic powers. Maybe Loki either needs to get to, or destroy, one of these "wells" at the top of the Tree? That could be what the finale of Elbaph is all about. Either helping or stopping Loki from making his way to the top of the Tree and finding one of these Wells, possibly protected by the Nika Temple.
https://bavipower.com/blogs/bavipower-viking-blog/the-three-wells-of-yggdrasil
https://viking.style/the-three-wells-of-yggdrasil-in-norse-mythology/

Whatever's up there, chances are it's somehow connected to the Sun. And probably Nika, by extension. In some way.
 
Last edited:
Salah WG

Salah WG

‎
#7
#7
It's probably Empty,
Underworld is about not being allowed Exit (Just like Impel Down)
Heaven should be about not being allowed Entry (Just like Upper Yard in Skypiea)

So i'm not saying there can't be People or Creatures there, but my current guess is that it's Empty & there is a Treasure there,
And Giants or anyone aren't allowed there, including their King,

When Hajrudin Defeated Machvice, He said "Fly to The Kingdom of The Gods".
Also when Dorry & Brogy were Fighting, They believed that Victor is decided by their Gods,

Maybe They believe it belongs to their Ancient Gods who will one day return,
And They will turn out to be Straw Hats,

Or it's just other Giants or Race or Animals,
 
Blax Blah

Blax Blah

‎
#9
#9
MonsterKaido said:
Big mom :myman:
Click to expand...
"Mugiwara we are waiting on the rooftop, bring Kid with you too, we can sense him"
Post automatically merged:

Salah WG said:
It's probably Empty,
Underworld is about not being allowed Exit (Just like Impel Down)
Heaven should be about not being allowed Entry (Just like Upper Yard in Skypiea)

So i'm not saying there can't be People or Creatures there, but my current guess is that it's Empty & there is a Treasure there,
And Giants or anyone aren't allowed there, including their King,

When Hajrudin Defeated Machvice, He said "Fly to The Kingdom of The Gods".
Also when Dorry & Brogy were Fighting, They believed that Victor is decided by their Gods,

Maybe They believe it belongs to their Ancient Gods who will one day return,
And They will turn out to be Straw Hats,

Or it's just other Giants or Race or Animals,
Click to expand...
I would really like to talk about this, who Nika is, who Joyboy is, Luffy was basically confirmed to not be Joyboy, but just resemble him, by Emeth right?

Zunesha thought Joyboy was there because of the drums of liberation also, not because she talked with Luffy and realised he was Joyboy, Luffy and Joyboy seem to be two different people,

I think, maybe Elbaf has a more flexible title based idea of gods, where a rabbit can be called the ear god, whereas Nika/Joyboy is the actual capital g God, a spirit, not a title you can earn

Maybe that's why Loki says he is the sun god, maybe he believes that, because he has lived in Elbaf, where a god is a title you earn, like a company position or a governement role, something rooted in the material world, not something spiritual
 
baltigo

baltigo

‎
#16
#16
By now, everyone knows about the theory that Gan Fall's mention of a 'summit of high west' would refer to the World Tree on Elbaf, that's pretty basic on its own, but that's only the half. I consider the trade aspect of this to be interesting considering that Harald's emphasis as king was to focus on trade specifically. Oda could have chose to portray him as a pacifist or a religious king who converted in faith, who tried to change his country due to those more straightforward reasons, but instead he went with making him focus on trade.

Now is it really a coincidence that Birka was the real life name of an important Viking trading post? Or that Enel's signature attack for ruling Skypiea as a God is named 'El Thor'?

Guarantee there's gonna be some connection the Sky Islands of the New World (like Ballon Terminal) and specifically the now-destroyed Birka through the heaven realm. Can't say if there's for sure a new Sky Island we have yet to see up there, or if its part of a larger society that once included Birka before Enel destroyed it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top