Yeah, yeah, i already said this in previous post. Hamas is similar to Al Qaeda. Should the US tolerate Al Qaeda cause they were pals in the past? I think anyone agrees that is was justified to hunt them down. Same thing with Hamas.
Yeah because the US used Al Qaeda as a scape goat just like Israel does with Hamas.
Finance them and then say "look the bad guys are there so it's fine if we kill everyone for our own end"
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In the past? They literally just gave them Syria.
Yeah because remember the "spring" when ISIS were the good guys?
 
This is a stupid strawman. There's a wide range of opinions/emotions from support to hate. If you cannot engage honestly then don't waste other people's time.
Wrong. There was a shift in the public opinion. Until a year ago, the status of the wars was mostly discussed through small circles. Either antisemitic far right ones either leftists ones (and sometimes even in antisemitic leftist circles).

But the reaction of Israel created a split in the population, greater than ever before. There is no such things as "different range of emotion". There are those who condamn a genocide and the atrocities and those who refuses to do it. This split is the reason why the left in France was demonized by media. Meanwhile, the population appropriated the conflict. To a point where an entire population refuses to go to a paid match to protest. To a point where prostest are not only in big cities, but everywhere on the planets in big and small town and on every side of the internet.

This was something impossible in the last decade as the mere criticizing of sionism could be considered an act of antisemitism.

It will never be the same.


 
Yeah because the US used Al Qaeda as a scape goat just like Israel does with Hamas.
Finance them and then say "look the bad guys are there so it's fine if we kill everyone for our own end"
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Yeah because remember the "spring" when ISIS were the good guys?
You saying that 9/11 was a US doing? Drop the crack pipe, my man. You are going the Color of Clowns route with conspiracies.
Also, i see all of you pointing thing at the US, but none of you have adressed the problem of Russian influence in the region. De-stabilization is their bread and butter.
 
Do they support it now that it has become a terror group?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=In the 1980s, Yassin's network,Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).

You saying that 9/11 was a US doing? Drop the crack pipe, my man. You are going the Color of Clowns route with conspiracies.
Also, i see all of you pointing thing at the US, but none of you have adressed the problem of Russian influence in the region. De-stabilization is their bread and butter.
Lol keep putting words in my mouth, that's the only dishonest way you have to discuss, being stupid and ignorant.
Nameless, more like brainless.
 
You guys are literally suggesting that Israel created Hamas to justify further aggression and annexation of Gaza in the future. This is a bold statement, my man. Good luck trying to find concrete proof of this.
I only say that today Israel blames Hamas and used hamas as a casus belli to invade and commit genocide in Palestine. This is just a statement of fact.
They use the acts of an entity they helped prosper as a casus belli for invasion of Palestine.
This is not a claim, this is a fact.
 
The U.S funded the group that will eventually become part of Al-Qaeda…in order to fight the Soviets off Afghan lol

idk if I would even compare that Israel and Hamas
They both ended up biting the hand that fed them. They are similar in that regard, but you right that they are two distinct groups, in distinct environments and seeking goals that aren't the same.
 
I only came back for the poke tournament. I’ll probably be less active in the coming weeks unless chapters are good
See you in a few months then
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so if I m getting things correctly people think Palestine isn't getting oppressed by Israel??
No, it's just that they are bad guys and finally get what they deserve apparently. Ignoring that they have been getting it for 60 ywars
 
I only say that today Israel blames Hamas and used hamas as a casus belli to invade and commit genocide in Palestine. This is just a statement of fact.
They use the acts of an entity they helped prosper as a casus belli for invasion of Palestine.
This is not a claim, this is a fact.
In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."[20] At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benyamin Netanyahu said:[21][22]

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."​
Prime Minister Netanyahu responded to the accusations of funding and strengthening Hamas by calling them "ridiculous".[23]

On January 19, 2024, Reuters reported that Josep Borrell, the EU foreign policy chief, said while receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Valladolid that "Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations." and that "Borrell added the only peaceful solution included the creation of a Palestinian state. 'We only believe a two-state solution imposed from the outside would bring peace even though Israel insists on the negative,' he said." [24] [25] Borrell also described Israel as having "created Hamas", but immediately continued saying that "yes, Hamas was financed by Israel to weaken the Palestinian Authority". [26] [27] [28]

All of what you are saying is some conspiracy perpetrated by lefties(like always), who is this Josep Borrel guy?
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Don't fall for the divide and conquer, my guy.
 
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