Character Discussion Shiryu the Janitors Portrayal

#64
What would you want from Shiryu to classify him as a top tier or give him same recognition as given to BB.
Do something else other than do damage to a top tier via sneak, and proceed to get immediately slammed and do nothing for the rest of the fight.
Honestly dogshit showing, inexcusable.

Only somewhat salvaging aspect was that he pierced through Garp even though he foresaw the attack and was somewhat prepared. It means Shiryuu has good armament haki
 
#65
Shiryu who is supposed to be a high tier has the worst portrayal a character can have.

  • Failed to KO an off-guard Moria.
  • Got folded by Magellan so bad that he didn't want to face him again.
  • Got KOed by a hakiless slam from Garp.
  • Got frozen by Amputee Kuzan.
  • Was called scrub by Kuzan and Garp
  • Damaged by Sengoku's attack, something even Van Auger and Lafitte tanked
This dude has worse portrayal than fucking scabbards. Atleast Kaido called them decent, this dude hasn't received recognition from any top tier. The 3 top tiers he has come across all basically called him a scrub.

He is basically just Absalom with a sword. A fodder to be precise. I always say this, if Zoro genuinely struggles against him then Zoro is below even Absalom
 
#67
Imagine what would have happened if Akainu had hit Shiryu instead of Garp. Comparing this guy to Akainu and Aokiji without any feats is stupid. I have no faith in Shiryu and Lafite and they are unlikely to be what the fans think they are.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#68
Imagine what would have happened if Akainu had hit Shiryu instead of Garp. Comparing this guy to Akainu and Aokiji without any feats is stupid. I have no faith in Shiryu and Lafite and they are unlikely to be what the fans think they are.
Imagine Zoro's opponent being better at the thing Kaido was supposedly the best at -- toughness...
Now, imagine Shiryu being better at the thing Blackbeard is supposedly the best at...
If Shiryu is half of what I imagine he will be, it will be hilarious.
 
#69
Imagine Zoro's opponent being better at the thing Kaido was supposedly the best at -- toughness...
Now, imagine Shiryu being better at the thing Blackbeard is supposedly the best at...
If Shiryu is half of what I imagine he will be, it will be hilarious.
Perceptions of personality should not be an illusion
In addition to his durability, Kaido had an ability called advcoc, which if he used it, you couldn't break his weapon and reach his body at the same time
Now, I didn't take into account that with fire he could affect his surroundings in a large radius
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#70
Perceptions of personality should not be an illusion
In addition to his durability, Kaido had an ability called advcoc, which if he used it, you couldn't break his weapon and reach his body at the same time
Now, I didn't take into account that with fire he could affect his surroundings in a large radius
Kaido is not famous for his aCoC.
He is famous for his durability.
King beat him at durability.
Now, whatever is Blackbeard famous for, imagine if Shiryu beats him at it...
 
#71
Kaido is not famous for his aCoC.
He is famous for his durability.
King beat him at durability.
Now, whatever is Blackbeard famous for, imagine if Shiryu beats him at it...
Yes, advcoc is not one of Kaido's abilities when defending his body against Luffy's punch and splitting the sky
Even if we assume what you say is true and that at best he is a more cunning character than Teach
And that doesn't change anything, Akainu has a 99% chance of one-shotting him
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#72
Yes, advcoc is not one of Kaido's abilities when defending his body against Luffy's punch and splitting the sky
Even if we assume what you say is true and that at best he is a more cunning character than Teach
And that doesn't change anything, Akainu has a 99% chance of one-shotting him
Blackbeard is famous for being ultimate DF merchant due to ability of eating multiple DFs.
What if Shiryu beats him at exactly that thing?
 
#73
Vet-level Zoro incoming because he is going to struggle with Shiryu more than he struggled against 2 Emperors. :crazwhat:
Absalom isn't vet level. He's below that. Zoro would come in that same category if he struggles against Janitor

And also we can make a case for Zoro getting weaker ever since Wano due to the Grim Reaper fiasco. The reaper sapped away most of his strength which is why Zoro's now so much weaker
 
#74
Blackbeard is famous for being ultimate DF merchant due to ability of eating multiple DFs.
What if Shiryu beats him at exactly that thing?
So what would be the effect if Shiryu ate 20 more fruits?
Teach could literally take away all of Shiryu's abilities with the Dark Fruit
And the Earthquake Fruit could destroy the world
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#78
So what would be the effect if Shiryu ate 20 more fruits?
Teach could literally take away all of Shiryu's abilities with the Dark Fruit
And the Earthquake Fruit could destroy the world
He cannot eat 20 fruits, nobody can.
However, he could potentially obtain 3, as much as Blackbeard.
Since Blackbeard is supposed to be the ultimate DF merchant, Shiryu stealing that title would be quite a surprise.

You have to touch the DF user in order to take away his abilities with Dark Fruit.
If Shiryu's Awakening of Suke no Mi is Nothingness, you cannot touch him. See the issue?
Earthquake can destroy the world, yes but it cannot destroy a human of 2-3 meters in size right in front of Blackbeard...
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Absalom isn't vet level. He's below that. Zoro would come in that same category if he struggles against Janitor

And also we can make a case for Zoro getting weaker ever since Wano due to the Grim Reaper fiasco. The reaper sapped away most of his strength which is why Zoro's now so much weaker
I am fine with below-vet-level Zoro as long as he is the strongest in the world and beats everyone in 1vs1.
We can call him even super-fodder level for all I care. Factually, Zoro is stronger than ever, the handful of strongest.
While some people downplay Zoro due to encounter with Lucci, it is actually Zoro's biggest flex in the show.

Not blocking the unblockable combo of 2 Emperors, not leaving a scar on Kaido with COA alone nor the absolute damage against Lunarian. Disrespecting Lucci and one-shotting him with a mediocre Santoryu move is the best feat in the verse.
The Reaper just reserves a fight against the strongest since no other can kill his boredom.
 
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