Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1136 Spoilers Discussion

[Blax Blah]

It is a bit of a mess, which further contributes to Wano's abysmal writing quality.

I think Oda wanted to deliver a message via only oneliners, but it didn't land. Not just in translation, since many Japanese readers were also weirded out by Hiyori's speech.

Ideally, it was supposed to go like this:

1. Orochi makes villain remark that "Oden was burn to boil" based on Oden's food name. This just as Oden heroically sacrifices himself for the country, thus staining the moment.
2. As soon as Yamato starts calling herself Oden, Kaido, who is shown to be a fatalist, thinks that her fate is sealed and that she too will have a gruesome death, so he locks her up. This further solidifies the theme.
3. Hiyori defeats Orochi with his own line, in what's supposed to be a catharsis for us readers. Oden may have been destined to sacrifice himself, but Orochi too was doomed from the start.
4. The teacher reiterates Hiyori's line, reassuring the Wano population that "Kozumi (coal) was born to die", as in, the bad guy was meant to be defeated from the beginning, so even in future tyrannical situations, the people should have faith that justice will be done.

Kaido's obsession with Oden is baked into what Oda's trying to convey with nomenclature alone. Maybe he should have spent a couple more dialog lines to make everything more seamless.

Wamato

 

[Sir Yasheen]

If the HK are from a celestial dragon family, where else would they live? Unless there's some secret HK island, it doesn't make sense. Their main job is dealing with issues with celestial dragons anyway, so there's no reason it would be weird to see a HK in Mariejoa

There’s rarely issues between CD families, and as we saw the HKs weren’t in Mariejoa during the reverie otherwise they’d have actually fought Sabo and them. They probably have their own barracks away from Mariejoa because do you think the world would just accept a giant living on Mariejoa?

 

[soupongo]

There’s rarely issues between CD families, and as we saw the HKs weren’t in Mariejoa during the reverie otherwise they’d have actually fought Sabo and them. They probably have their own barracks away from Mariejoa because do you think the world would just accept a giant living on Mariejoa?

I mean, isn't York a celestial dragon now? I believe it could be granted

 

[Saint Wentorno]

Would explain the hell about why the Gorosei said it’s weird to see Pranks

Saint Figarland Spanks is a CD.
The Elders just said that because the Holy Knights are npt supposed to be embroiled in politics, just like military in the real world are not allowed to take part in politics and only obey orders (except in military regimes and juntas in some countries out there)

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I mean, isn't York a celestial dragon now? I believe it could be granted

That ain’t the same because York is still a human as far as the world’s concerned. But Loki? He’s very clearly not a human. He’s a giant, and the other CDs would try to enslave him if he lived up there

 

[soupongo]

It is a bit of a mess, which further contributes to Wano's abysmal writing quality.

I think Oda wanted to deliver a message via only oneliners, but it didn't land. Not just in translation, since many Japanese readers were also weirded out by Hiyori's speech.

Ideally, it was supposed to go like this:

1. Orochi makes villain remark that "Oden was burn to boil" based on Oden's food name. This just as Oden heroically sacrifices himself for the country, thus staining the moment.
2. As soon as Yamato starts calling herself Oden, Kaido, who is shown to be a fatalist, thinks that her fate is sealed and that she too will have a gruesome death, so he locks her up. This further solidifies the theme.
3. Hiyori defeats Orochi with his own line, in what's supposed to be a catharsis for us readers. Oden may have been destined to sacrifice himself, but Orochi too was doomed from the start.
4. The teacher reiterates Hiyori's line, reassuring the Wano population that "Kozumi (coal) was born to die", as in, the bad guy was meant to be defeated from the beginning, so even in future tyrannical situations, the people should have faith that justice will be done.

Kaido's obsession with Oden is baked into what Oda's trying to convey with nomenclature alone. Maybe he should have spent a couple more dialog lines to make everything more seamless.

I see your point... but the kaido part just feels like a reach. Also,he shouldn't even have a problem with yamato dying a gruesome death like Oden because he glorified warrior deaths....

 

[moreha9685]

I see your point... but the kaido part just feels like a reach. Also,he shouldn't even have a problem with yamato dying a gruesome death like Oden because he glorified warrior deaths....

He wants a glorious death for himself in a world-reshaping war, because he thinks he is JoyBoy.

 

[Saint Wentorno]

I mean, isn't York a celestial dragon now? I believe it could be granted

Even if they make her an honorary CD, the CDs wont accept her as one of them, and the Elders will turn a blind eye as long as she remains useful.
The day she stops being useful, she is finished.

 

[moreha9685]

Even if they make her an honorary CD, the CDs wont accept her as one of them, and the Elders will turn a blind eye as long as she remains useful.
The day she stops being useful, she is finished.

Giant, clone, lazy, and a woman.
The discrimination against her in Mariejois is going to reach new preaks.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Well if they make exceptions for strong people then that means they have at least one other very strong person besides Pranks right?

Strong, maybe.

But i doubt any HK is close to Pranks. He's a special little guy.

His Dad is a recently promoted Gorosei that seemingly has authority over the other gorosei. His brother is the one and only Oda's fav. And he was front and center in the HK silhouette panel. And he has a silhouette in the top 12 important players left page as well.

All this indicates Pranks being the leader and strongest HK.

Maybe Loki could be stronger than him or as strong as him. We'll see.

I'm sticking with Loki being a special case because of his connection to shanks, his special df, and him being the son of the former king. So wg is not offering HK positions for random strong people.

 

[CbShadow]

mohawk literally said "my blade knows no restraint"

I know it's hard for you people to understand because of their reading comprehension skills or lack thereof. But that means by mohawk's own words, he was trying hard enough to beat condom, and failed.

pre skip condom>mohawk

As I said, reading comprehension skills or lack thereof.

His blade knows no restraint, not his power.
Strong swordsman bends their sword to their will. Mihawk was always in control and holding back. He was testing Luffy's fate and wanted to see if he could survive.

Why was he even playing around though? Hancock openly helped luffy and kept her position

To test Luffy's fate and power. Mihawk didn't care about the Marines, WB pirates or the outcome of the war. He wasn't concerned about the consequences of his actions. Marines can't do anything to him.

Back when he was in Marine Hunter he went against the marines and they couldn't stop him.

 

[comrade]

What’s funny is that Primebeard and Saint Shanks stayed away from Wano as well, Whitebeard specifically shat his pants at the idea of Ace picking a fight with Kaido.



But you never see apes online arguing that Kaido was above Primebeard and Saint Shanks > Kaido is a pretty common take.



It is only Ryokugyu who gets the fact that he stayed away from Wano used to push Kaido > Admirals. Weird right? It’s almost as if the prime apes who make this argument don’t have any consistent logic and are reading the scene with an agenda to force an incorrect point. Lol



And these same people will make every excuse in the book for Kizaru ready to face Kaido and Big Mom alone, and Sakazuki having zero objections to that idea. LOL

The difference: neither Shanks nor Whitebeard wanted to conquer Wano. Marco pointed out how their concern with facing Kaido lied in the causalities a war would cause, while Shanks had no business in Wano at all.

Meanwhile, the WG wanted to conquer Wano and don't give a shit about causalities. They feared Kaido alone.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Giant, clone, lazy, and a woman.
The discrimination against her in Mariejois is going to reach new preaks.

In all fairness, she’s probably the same size as Mars

 

[Buusatan94]

I just don't think his obsession with Oden makes sense,especially not him deciding to starve Yamato to death because of it

Oden is one hell of a creator's pet, the dude loved him and overwanked him and thrown him down our throats, having him been worshipped by the Scabbards and Yamato, and respected so much by Kaido even though he didn't deserve it at all with his irresponsability and stupidity

 

[SakazOuki]

“Franky, go handle Big Mom”

 

[Saint Wentorno]

Giant, clone, lazy, and a woman.
The discrimination against her in Mariejois is going to reach new preaks.

They will most likely leave her in Egghead and rebuild whatever she needs, it is why the Elders tried their hardest to leave the lab intact.
Charloss and his similar buddies won't let her rest if she comes to Marie Geoise during her vacation, and she cannot do anything to him and vice versa so the Holy Knights will just break them up every time.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

His blade knows no restraint, not his power.

semantics

his blade is part of his power you dumbass

Strong swordsman bends their sword to their will. Mihawk was always in control and holding back. He was testing Luffy's fate and wanted to see if he could survive.

then why he cut the iceberg even tho it was meant for pre skip condom who was weak as fuck?

did mohawk need to use that much power to barely harm goofy?

Pathetic showing

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Back to meming on the CDs, Loki being a possible HK reopens the possibility that the five Gorosei, the only semi competency the CDs had, aren’t even parts of the Celestial Dragons families that live on Mariejoa

 

[Warine]

Back to meming on the CDs, Loki being a possible HK reopens the possibility that the five Gorosei, the only semi competency the CDs had, aren’t even parts of the Celestial Dragons families that live on Mariejoa

Ethan isn't, the rest are cds

 

[Saint Wentorno]

Back to meming on the CDs, Loki being a possible HK reopens the possibility that the five Gorosei, the only semi competency the CDs had, aren’t even parts of the Celestial Dragons families that live on Mariejoa

That is too much of a stretch. It is impossible.
Imu would not even look at them.
The CDs would not respect them or obey them.
I think the Elders have to be CDs from the 19 families.