Versus Battle Start of DBZ Piccolo vs the OP verse

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#21
Different energies used in vastly different ways.

Piccolo can't do a single thing to logias, he has power but that's all Dragon Ball has, no hax or unique abilities really, up to Super at least anyway.
the entire vers is hax wtf are you on about lmfao

Majority of the base characters are planet busters and this is even from pre namek time. Master Roshi destroyed the moon in dragon ball alone...

once again dbz power is on a whole other level than one piece that intangibility is inconsequential and easily bypassed by sheer force.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#22
This has been clearly showcased and outline on MF when 1hp Sickbeard bypassed both Akainu and Aokiji intangibilty.... even when aokiji was using logia abiliites and was stabbed with the bis3nto dude was bleeding and even came out of his mouth.
 
#24
the entire vers is hax wtf are you on about lmfao

Majority of the base characters are planet busters and this is even from pre namek time. Master Roshi destroyed the moon in dragon ball alone...

once again dbz power is on a whole other level than one piece that intangibility is inconsequential and easily bypassed by sheer force.
No it isn't lmfao

Cool, being a planet, star or galaxy buster doesn't give them the ability to defeat logias, Piccolo can destroy the planet if he wants, though that'd only kill him and not the logia since they can breathe in space, proven by Enel.

Hitting harder doesn't give Piccolo the power to defeat logia, sorry.
 
#25
All the One Piece characters are dying. Piccolo can just flat out disintegrate them all.

Island feats are currently peak One Piece feats. Meanwhile we had Master Roshi blowing up the moon back in regular Dragon Ball.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#26
No it isn't lmfao

Cool, being a planet, star or galaxy buster doesn't give them the ability to defeat logias, Piccolo can destroy the planet if he wants, though that'd only kill him and not the logia since they can breathe in space, proven by Enel.

Hitting harder doesn't give Piccolo the power to defeat logia, sorry.
how are planet busters not hax especially compared to one piece standard of max fest being island level..... current op arc is dragon ball level, kid Gohan already scales there... you really don't understand powerlevels haki isn't God tier it's just op tier which is one of the weakest verses in all of Shonen. Like in said physically dbz even Pre-Namek they scale much higher than current haxed characters from OP and the logia users would be overwhelmed by sheer force where intangibilty is bypassed without haki.. you genuinely don't understand the basics of logia users.

WE SAW THIS WITH WB VS ADMIRALS.
Here I'll go go chatgpt:

Can pre namek dragon ball z characters bypass haki
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Pre-Namek Dragon Ball Z characters, like Goku, Piccolo, and others, wouldn't be able to bypass Haki directly, as Haki operates in a different manner than the energy-based powers seen in Dragon Ball Z.

Here's a breakdown of how Dragon Ball Z characters might interact with the different types of Haki:

Observation Haki:

In the Dragon Ball Z universe, characters like Goku can sense energy (Ki), and this ability could be similar to Observation Haki. However, Dragon Ball Z characters are used to sensing energy signatures from others, so it's possible they would be able to detect individuals with strong Haki, especially in the case of powerful users like Conqueror’s Haki.
However, advanced Observation Haki could allow a One Piece character to foresee attacks, which might give them an edge against a Dragon Ball Z fighter, depending on the speed and reaction times involved.
Armament Haki:

This is a bit more complex. Armament Haki grants the ability to create an invisible armor around the user, which can defend against physical and energy-based attacks, and can also bypass certain Devil Fruit powers. Pre-Namek Dragon Ball Z characters, with their energy-based attacks, might have trouble bypassing Armament Haki unless they have enough raw power to overpower the defense.
However, characters like Goku and Piccolo, especially when utilizing powerful energy blasts (like the Kamehameha or Special Beam Cannon), might still be able to do damage, but they might not be able to bypass Haki directly in terms of defense or immunity.
Conqueror's Haki:

Conqueror's Haki works by exerting one’s will over others, typically causing weaker-willed individuals to lose consciousness. Pre-Namek characters like Goku and Piccolo, while physically strong and determined, might still be susceptible to Conqueror’s Haki if they haven't developed an immense willpower or resistance to it. That said, if they can match the power and will of the user, they might be able to resist or even overcome it.
In short, Pre-Namek Dragon Ball Z characters wouldn't be able to bypass Haki entirely because it operates on a different set of principles. However, their raw power and energy manipulation might give them an advantage against certain aspects of Haki, especially if the user is physically weaker or less experienced.

How did Whitebeard bypass aokijis intangibilty given he had little to no haki

ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Whitebeard's ability to bypass Aokiji's intangibility, despite having little to no apparent Haki use, can be explained through a few factors:

1. Tremendous Power and Destructive Ability
Whitebeard, as one of the most powerful pirates in One Piece, had an overwhelming physical presence and power. His Devil Fruit ability, the Gura Gura no Mi (Tremor-Tremor Fruit), allowed him to create massive shockwaves that could easily devastate his surroundings. The sheer destructive power of his attacks could bypass Aokiji's intangibility.

Even though Aokiji could turn into ice, Whitebeard's powerful tremors could potentially disrupt his ability to maintain the ice form or affect the area he controls. The force of the tremors might be enough to affect the environment and the Logia user directly, making it difficult for Aokiji to remain intangible or avoid the attacks.
2. Haki (Implicit or Dormant Use)
While it’s true that Whitebeard is never explicitly shown using Haki, One Piece has left some room for speculation regarding the use of Haki by older or experienced characters. Given his immense strength, it’s possible that Whitebeard had developed a form of Armament Haki that was subtle or less visible in his attacks. It’s been hinted in the series that some powerful characters, especially those of Whitebeard’s caliber, might have a level of Haki that is not overtly shown, yet still effective.

This would allow Whitebeard to land direct hits on Aokiji even when he transformed into ice, especially if he was using an advanced or latent form of Haki to bypass Aokiji’s Logia intangibility. However, since Haki use was not a central focus for Whitebeard in his fights, it was likely overshadowed by his raw power and destructive abilities.
3. Overwhelming Will and Experience
Whitebeard was a seasoned and highly skilled fighter, with years of battle experience. His sheer willpower and battlefield prowess might have been enough to allow him to break through certain defenses, including Aokiji's ice-based intangibility. Powerful characters in One Piece often show a level of willpower or mental focus that allows them to resist certain techniques or defenses, even without overt reliance on Haki.

4. The Nature of Aokiji’s Ice Powers
Aokiji’s ice is a solid form of matter, meaning that while he can turn into ice to avoid attacks, his ice form is still subject to physical forces. Whitebeard’s Gura Gura no Mi creates shockwaves with massive impact, capable of shaking the environment and potentially causing structural or physical damage. The immense pressure from Whitebeard’s attacks could disrupt Aokiji’s ice form, making it harder for him to maintain his intangibility.

Conclusion:
Whitebeard likely didn’t need Haki to bypass Aokiji’s intangibility. His extreme power, destructive Devil Fruit ability, and vast combat experience allowed him to hit Aokiji even when he was in his ice form. Though it’s possible Whitebeard had some latent form of Haki, his ability to land blows on Aokiji was primarily due to his overwhelming physical might and the nature of his attacks
 
#27
how are planet busters not hax especially compared to one piece standard of max fest being island level..... current op arc is dragon ball level, kid Gohan already scales there... you really don't understand powerlevels haki isn't God tier it's just op tier which is one of the weakest verses in all of Shonen. Like in said physically dbz even Pre-Namek they scale much higher than current haxed characters from OP and the logia users would be overwhelmed by sheer force where intangibilty is bypassed without haki.. you genuinely don't understand the basics of logia users.
What does planet busting have to do with hax? Do you not know what hax is?

Buddy it doesn't matter how much stronger Dragon Ball characters are, they simply don't have the necessary ability to kill logia users, hitting harder doesn't magically make that happen.

Piccolo cannot defeat logia.
 
#28
Buu and Cell were effectively the Dragon Ball equivalent of logias. Both at their peak power could regenerate their entire bodies from nearly nothing.

Both got defeated by using a large enough ki attack to disintegrate the entirety of their bodies at once into absolutely nothing.

They could recover from nearly nothing, they couldn't recover from nothing at all.

Logias get disintegrated.
 
#29
Buu and Cell were effectively the Dragon Ball equivalent of logias. Both at their peak power could regenerate their entire bodies from nearly nothing.

Both got defeated by using a large enough ki attack to disintegrate the entirety of their bodies at once into absolutely nothing.

They could recover from nearly nothing, they couldn't recover from nothing at all.

Logias get disintegrated.
That's what is called a false equivalence, neither Buu nor Cells' real bodies are intangible.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#32
What does planet busting have to do with hax? Do you not know what hax is?

Buddy it doesn't matter how much stronger Dragon Ball characters are, they simply don't have the necessary ability to kill logia users, hitting harder doesn't magically make that happen.

Piccolo cannot defeat logia.
you really don't understate the term "hax" the reason why you don't consider the vers hax is cause it's a common theme for majority of the character base the simple fact that they are all relatively planet busters is the simplest of terms of HAX they fucking destroy planets with ease what isn't more hax than that, you consider law hax simply cause his abilities carry him in battle. Yes HAX is just abilities that seem unnatural to the verse, In the simplest of terms for powerscaling hax is just not normal abilities to the world, dbz compared to onepiece is literally all hax, their mere strength is has compared to one piece standards, kaioken or even SS at the time would be considered hax simply because the were unnatural a hax is any ability that “breaks the rules of the series” or lets someone fight far above their weight class. For example, Light from Death Note is a standard human, but the Death Note lets him kill anyone he wants. Therefore it’s a hax ability. It's also just a fancy made up term made by powerscaling fanboys taken from video game terms for cheaters/hackers.

You really don't understand the series you wank.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#33
Buu and Cell were effectively the Dragon Ball equivalent of logias. Both at their peak power could regenerate their entire bodies from nearly nothing.

Both got defeated by using a large enough ki attack to disintegrate the entirety of their bodies at once into absolutely nothing.

They could recover from nearly nothing, they couldn't recover from nothing at all.

Logias get disintegrated.
Sky sanji thinks that if they are obliterated they can still magically regenerate out of thin air.
 
#34
That's what is called a false equivalence, neither Buu nor Cells' real bodies are intangible.
The logias that are made out of physical matter like Crocodile, Caribou and Akainu aren't intangible either. They are made out of physical matter. A physical matter that can be disintegrated.

The logias that arguably wouldn't come under that are logias made out of energy like Kizaru and Enel.

Ki attacks are made out of pure energy and they interact, overwhelm and destroy each other all the time in Dragon Ball so the energy logias can be destroyed too.

Besides, haki and ki are basically their respective universe's version of each other.
 
#36
That's what is called a false equivalence, neither Buu nor Cells' real bodies are intangible.
The point still stands though.
Logia don't get damaged by physical attacks like Cell/Buu do. But that's because the element and their body becomes one for logia (bypassed only by haki). While Cell/Buu have normal bodies that just regenerate (moreso comparable to Marco here)

If everything just gets disintegrated, where do they regenerate from? Ice, magma, wood, sand - all gets completely vap'd

Only maybe Kizaru and Enel survives this, cause their element also has no form - they are just straight up "energy"
 
#38
The point still stands though.
Logia don't get damaged by physical attacks like Cell/Buu do. But that's because the element and their body becomes one for logia (bypassed only by haki). While Cell/Buu have normal bodies that just regenerate (moreso comparable to Marco here)

If everything just gets disintegrated, where do they regenerate from? Ice, magma, wood, sand - all gets completely vap'd

Only maybe Kizaru and Enel survives this, cause their element also has no form - they are just straight up "energy"
No it doesn't.

Right so the two are entirely different, and comparing them makes no sense.

Where in One Piece has it ever been even implied let alone stated that a logia can be defeated by destroying their whole body? Nowhere, you're just making that up, as far as we know, if you A. don't have means of attacking their real body or B. have a very specific counter to them like rubber and lightning, they're invincible.

Regardless, even if you want to limit it to Kizaru, Enel and Ace, Piccolo still cannot win.
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The logias that are made out of physical matter like Crocodile, Caribou and Akainu aren't intangible either. They are made out of physical matter. A physical matter that can be disintegrated.

The logias that arguably wouldn't come under that are logias made out of energy like Kizaru and Enel.

Ki attacks are made out of pure energy and they interact, overwhelm and destroy each other all the time in Dragon Ball so the energy logias can be destroyed too.

Besides, haki and ki are basically their respective universe's version of each other.
Their real bodies are still intangible, nobody cares about their logia form because damaging that does nothing.

Ki and haki are nothing alike, the fact that you all keep trying to give one the abilities of the other shows how desperate you are and aware of the fact that Piccolo simply can't do shit.
 
#39
Their real bodies are still intangible, nobody cares about their logia form because damaging that does nothing.
Except it does do something otherwise Luffy could never have hurt, let alone defeat, Crocodile or Enel. Luffy wasn't hitting the intangible body of either of those two, he was hitting them with an elemental weakness that affected each of their Logia forms directly (moisture for Crocodile and rubber for Enel).

He was still hitting and damaging their Logia forms.

In the case of Ace, Akainu bragged about how his magma was burning Ace's fire. That was an element overpowering another element.
So yes, Logia forms can be interacted with and directly hurt.

You know what can do that?

The pure disintegrating energy of ki from Dragon Ball. Lol.
Ki and haki are nothing alike, the fact that you all keep trying to give one the abilities of the other shows how desperate you are and aware of the fact that Piccolo simply can't do shit.
Both are fundamental aspects of their respective universe's advanced martial arts that involve projecting the internal energy of the wielder outwards into attacks that hurt opponents.

They're the feckin same.
 
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#40
Except it does do something otherwise Luffy could never have hurt, let alone defeat, Crocodile or Enel. Luffy wasn't hitting the intangible body of either of those two, he was hitting them with an elemental weakness that affected each of their Logia forms directly (moisture for Crocodile and rubber for Enel).

He was still hitting and damaging their Logia forms.

In the case of Ace, Akainu bragged about how his magma was burning Ace's fire. That was an element overpowering another element.
So yes, Logia forms can be interacted with and directly hurt.

You know what can do that?

The pure disintegrating energy of ki from Dragon Ball. Lol.
A ki blast isn't rubber nor water, and that only applies to Enel and Crocodile respectively, what does water or rubber do to light? Nothing.

Again, what does a ki blast have to do with the relationship and superiority between devil fruits? Literally nothing, like even remotely, you're just shitting out false equivalences by the dozen and trying to give ki blasts abilities they don't have.
You know what can do that?

The pure disintegrating energy of ki from Dragon Ball. Lol.
I'm not understanding your rationale here, you're saying ki blasts can do it simply because you say they can, you have no proof whatsoever, all you've done is try to make them equal to entirely different things lmao.
Both are fundamental aspects of their respective universe's advanced martial arts that involve projecting the internal energy of the wielder outwards into attacks that hurt opponents.

They're the feckin same.
They're different energies that behave in vastly different ways.

Can One Piece characters use their haki to fly?

Can they shoot ki blasts out of their ass?

Can they do the Shadow Clone Jutsu?

Can Goku see the future with his observation haki?

Can he dominate the wills of others with his own and knock them out with his conquerors haki?

No to all of these? So why the fuck would ki have the ability to affect logia users like haki can? Because you say it can and that's it?
 
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