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Qassam Brigades begin executing traitors who worked with IOF and stole food aid. Hopefully Yasir Abu Shabab is next
https://x.com/AlAndalus074478/status/1882534679452287249
https://x.com/AlAndalus074478/status/1882534679452287249
Well a lot of folks posting in this thread are right leaning or billionaire apologists so I dunno when it’s not contrarian but just holding those in power (we are seriously talking political and top 1% wealthiest at once) accountable for legitimate bad policy.
It’s like none of that matters to some of you and their supporters. When actually a lot of those people who voted for Trump will get wrecked by these actions.
It seems like their brainwashing worked on a lot of people but they will complain later why their basic rights will be stripped away.
If you’re a person of color or a woman also, it’s beyond twisted.
It’s like none of that matters to some of you and their supporters. When actually a lot of those people who voted for Trump will get wrecked by these actions.
It seems like their brainwashing worked on a lot of people but they will complain later why their basic rights will be stripped away.
If you’re a person of color or a woman also, it’s beyond twisted.
Fascist 🤝 Fascist
I understand that. But if you were at my place, you would do the same.
You are a scientist. Let's say you explain evolution and someone tells you that you are wrong. Well, you will tell them, no, I'm right because of this, this and this. Now imagine that said person start to attack you and tell you that you don't want to admit that you are wrong.. even attacking your mental health sometimes.
How would you react ?
If you tell me "I would ignore", good stuff, that's not how I functionned. This is what happened to me in the Nakama thread and in this thread over and over and over and over and over again. So yeah, I had to start to attack too, keep attacking and be a little bit self aware. I had no choice if I wanted things to be said and protect myself from the insults.
Now, put the fact that I'm not talking about evolutions, but things that have horrible impacts on people.
I know things about oppression that the majority of people here are in denial about or simply don't want to know. And I see suffering grow and places like this could be a way to help as our fanbase is big and could actually be used to do good.
So my anger and frustration against those phenomenon plays in the balance. Which lead me to label, call out the lack of political education etc. Notice how I was careful to never insult tho . Always say stuff that I observed.
Now I'm done with that. It made me bitter, frustrated, toxic and I don't like that. Also, I want to give a chance to Blax, who has the opposite method to make his voice heard.
I understand that. But if you were at my place, you would do the same.
You are a scientist. Let's say you explain evolution and someone tells you that you are wrong. Well, you will tell them, no, I'm right because of this, this and this. Now imagine that said person start to attack you and tell you that you don't want to admit that you are wrong.. even attacking your mental health sometimes.
How would you react ?
If you tell me "I would ignore", good stuff, that's not how I functionned. This is what happened to me in the Nakama thread and in this thread over and over and over and over and over again. So yeah, I had to start to attack too, keep attacking and be a little bit self aware. I had no choice if I wanted things to be said and protect myself from the insults.
Now, put the fact that I'm not talking about evolutions, but things that have horrible impacts on people.
I know things about oppression that the majority of people here are in denial about or simply don't want to know. And I see suffering grow and places like this could be a way to help as our fanbase is big and could actually be used to do good.
So my anger and frustration against those phenomenon plays in the balance. Which lead me to label, call out the lack of political education etc. Notice how I was careful to never insult tho . Always say stuff that I observed.
Now I'm done with that. It made me bitter, frustrated, toxic and I don't like that. Also, I want to give a chance to Blax, who has the opposite method to make his voice heard.
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Fascist 🤝 Fascist
I understand that. But if you were at my place, you would do the same.
You are a scientist. Let's say you explain evolution and someone tells you that you are wrong. Well, you will tell them, no, I'm right because of this, this and this. Now imagine that said person start to attack you and tell you that you don't want to admit that you are wrong.. even attacking your mental health sometimes.
How would you react ?
If you tell me "I would ignore", good stuff, that's not how I functionned. This is what happened to me in the Nakama thread and in this thread over and over and over and over and over again. So yeah, I had to start to attack too, keep attacking and be a little bit self aware. I had no choice if I wanted things to be said and protect myself from the insults.
Now, put the fact that I'm not talking about evolutions, but things that have horrible impacts on people.
I know things about oppression that the majority of people here are in denial about or simply don't want to know. And I see suffering grow and places like this could be a way to help as our fanbase is big and could actually be used to do good.
So my anger and frustration against those phenomenon plays in the balance. Which lead me to label, call out the lack of political education etc. Notice how I was careful to never insult tho . Always say stuff that I observed.
Now I'm done with that. It made me bitter, frustrated, toxic and I don't like that. Also, I want to give a chance to Blax, who has the opposite method to make his voice heard.
I understand that. But if you were at my place, you would do the same.
You are a scientist. Let's say you explain evolution and someone tells you that you are wrong. Well, you will tell them, no, I'm right because of this, this and this. Now imagine that said person start to attack you and tell you that you don't want to admit that you are wrong.. even attacking your mental health sometimes.
How would you react ?
If you tell me "I would ignore", good stuff, that's not how I functionned. This is what happened to me in the Nakama thread and in this thread over and over and over and over and over again. So yeah, I had to start to attack too, keep attacking and be a little bit self aware. I had no choice if I wanted things to be said and protect myself from the insults.
Now, put the fact that I'm not talking about evolutions, but things that have horrible impacts on people.
I know things about oppression that the majority of people here are in denial about or simply don't want to know. And I see suffering grow and places like this could be a way to help as our fanbase is big and could actually be used to do good.
So my anger and frustration against those phenomenon plays in the balance. Which lead me to label, call out the lack of political education etc. Notice how I was careful to never insult tho . Always say stuff that I observed.
Now I'm done with that. It made me bitter, frustrated, toxic and I don't like that. Also, I want to give a chance to Blax, who has the opposite method to make his voice heard.
I am not an educator or counsellor nor I am a morality police to remind people what's good or bad. I don't even care most of the time what people think of me.
Few years ago a friend of mine gave me very important advice -
"If someone wants to jump in a well don't try to stop them. You can give advice but at the end just let them do what they want to.
Let them jump to learn themselves. "
Problem comes up when you try to tell people what's right and what's wrong, what they should say or do and what they shouldn't.
You should simply express your view and let people express their views and be okay if they disagree with you or says something polar opposite of your beliefs.
Don't label them. Just agree to disagree and move on.
You will get peace. And, You will see people will stop being confrontational with you.
You are not here to bring a change. You are here to take a break from real life and speak your mind or say whatever you want and dip..
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But others don't.
People mostly learn from their experiences
People mostly relate things from their experiences and contexts.
They can't understand from which well you came from nor you can understand from which well they came from.
So, share your experience of the well - and leave it on others to learn if they want rather than imposing on them because by imposing you are simply distancing them away.
Rest is your wish. My serious talk quota is over lol
People mostly learn from their experiences
People mostly relate things from their experiences and contexts.
They can't understand from which well you came from nor you can understand from which well they came from.
So, share your experience of the well - and leave it on others to learn if they want rather than imposing on them because by imposing you are simply distancing them away.
Rest is your wish. My serious talk quota is over lol
You are right on this. Sadly, I was idealistic in thinking that you could simply change people by invoking reason.
But this is not enough. You see, once you go to the well, you start to hurt people. This is what the well does. This is what I wanted to change or at least, calm, because we don't have all the time in the world.
But we are too few. And you are far too many. My only chance to do something is to attack and I don't want to do that anymore. So I'm tagging out.
But this is not enough. You see, once you go to the well, you start to hurt people. This is what the well does. This is what I wanted to change or at least, calm, because we don't have all the time in the world.
But we are too few. And you are far too many. My only chance to do something is to attack and I don't want to do that anymore. So I'm tagging out.
Qassam Brigades begin executing traitors who worked with IOF and stole food aid. Hopefully Yasir Abu Shabab is next
https://x.com/AlAndalus074478/status/1882534679452287249
https://x.com/AlAndalus074478/status/1882534679452287249
You need to understand that my attacks (or my labels rather, because I never really insult), are not only done for the ones I target, but for everyone else as well. I explain that in the thread about Labels and moderation in the sensitive section:
Let me use a metaphor:
Let's say that you are in the crowded streets and you have glasses that can allow you to see who has the Virus X, the most threatening virus of all that can spread easily and kill. Now let's say that you are looking for patient 0 and you finally spot them at the middle of the crowd. How do you create a way for others not to be infected ?
Well, the most basic thing : You scream "this person has the virus X, don't approach them"
This is the same for political ideas. Informations can be analysed like a Virus, in some cases the spreading is very easy, in some it's hard. Researchers have studied the phenomenon and I explained that here:
Change usually comes from the outside. It's because the environment's evolution that we start to change, not because of something inside of us.
Let's take an example to understand why:
Put 100 person on a field of a stadium for 2 hours. You will give 4 people an earpiece and you will place a big speaker in the middle. We will try to make them dance together.
Now.. Before going further, I need to explain to you a few things about crowd and group psychology and the way informations or elements are shared among groups:
There are, in group behaviors like in epidemiology, two types of sharing (called contagion) of elements:
- The Simple contagion : For example, diseases or informations. It's a type of contagion where only one contact is enough to propagate the element
- The Complex contagion : It can be non familiar behavior or risky behavior that are hard to adopt. This is a contagion that will need a social reinforcement, in other word a certain % of individual in a group will have to adopt those elements or behavior to propagate it to others.
In 1978, a sociologist, Mark Granovetter, published a paper where he proposed a new concept to understand group behavior : The Threshold model for those complexe contagion. The threashold effect is the INDIVIDUAL threashold in % that people will have before they start to adopt a behavior or an element adopted by someone with a lower threashold.
For example, Activists or very motivated people (from the right or the left) will have a very low threashold % for certain things, they will directly adopt a belief or a behavior because they are completely convinced. On the other side, people who will be very conservative to adopt new belief systems or behavior will have a very high threashold % (the political side doesn't matter, it's just a question of our ability or refusal to adopt new elements. (said threashold can fluctuate in function of the subject or the behavior)
What we need to understand is that this Threashold effect create chain reaction effects after a certain point that we call "the critical mass".
But first : With our example, we can sort the 100 persons from the lower to the highest threashold.
Here is a screenshot representing the lower part of the graph:
It comes from this video. If you want you can watch it with subtitles I think you can make the translation work:
As you can see, among those 100 persons, there are 4 that have a threashold of 0%, they will adopt the behavior very easily. After that, you have one that has a threashold of acceptation of 4%. This means that to adopt the behavior, said person will need to see 4 people adopt the behavior first.
And by domino effect, the one with a threashold of 5% will adopt the behavior and so on.. until everyone else adopt the behavior. In our example here, it means that 4 people are needed to start the spreading. 4 is therefore the critical mass of the example.
But we also need to understand that critical masses and threashold are different from context to context. For ex, in a period of crisis, people are more sensible and therefore to spread information that could create conflict, the critical mass will be lower.
Another important thing to understand is that the more you have a group that is highly connected, the more the threashold for the members of said group will be lower. For example: You will be more encline to adopte a belief or a behavior if all your friend do it than if a group of stranger does it.
This is why revolution don't start because of influencal people, but because of the streets where people are highly organized and connected on peripheries. Revolutions are a peripherical phenomenon. (The Arab spring is a good ex of that). So it's very unlikely from a big personnality to spread beliefs if the audience doesn't have a very low threashold to adopt said belief in the first place.
Now, lets come back to our example : if, after serving some drnk and let people enjoy their time, you put music in the big speaker of the stadium and you ask to the four people with earpieces to go dance... chances are that you will create a group phenomenon where people will start to dance one after the other. Like this in this example where the critical mass was very low due to the relax context and where the threashold was only 1 guy :
So when I'm labelling someone, my goal is not only for said person to understand that we are not on the same page and potentially question themselves, but it's also to render more difficult the spreading of the information by the user and warn people around that my not be politically sharp by making them understanding that the information is potentially harmfull or false.
A lot of people here are using what we call in France "confusionnisme", it's a way to blur the limits of the political spectrum and make a far right or rightist idea appear like a progressive one.
My goal is therefore to clarify the field and replace everyone at their proper political place based on political and sociological knowledge and studies.
While I was not able to change people's mind, I consider that I was able to show who really think what by constantly pushing people toward conflictual subject that are determinant to understand their political place.
People don't like that, of course, because they love the idea of being progressist while trashing transgender people (or not acting when they are trashed) or trashing anticapitalist etc, but now, we at least have a good vision of people who like to spread missinformation.
Let me use a metaphor:
Let's say that you are in the crowded streets and you have glasses that can allow you to see who has the Virus X, the most threatening virus of all that can spread easily and kill. Now let's say that you are looking for patient 0 and you finally spot them at the middle of the crowd. How do you create a way for others not to be infected ?
Well, the most basic thing : You scream "this person has the virus X, don't approach them"
This is the same for political ideas. Informations can be analysed like a Virus, in some cases the spreading is very easy, in some it's hard. Researchers have studied the phenomenon and I explained that here:
V - THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE PROPOSITION:
Now, I will go more into details on the notion of change to make you understand how such a change is possible. For that, I will use a post that I have already made elsewhere about the science of groups and crowds.
Change usually comes from the outside. It's because the environment's evolution that we start to change, not because of something inside of us.
Let's take an example to understand why:
Put 100 person on a field of a stadium for 2 hours. You will give 4 people an earpiece and you will place a big speaker in the middle. We will try to make them dance together.
Now.. Before going further, I need to explain to you a few things about crowd and group psychology and the way informations or elements are shared among groups:
There are, in group behaviors like in epidemiology, two types of sharing (called contagion) of elements:
- The Simple contagion : For example, diseases or informations. It's a type of contagion where only one contact is enough to propagate the element
- The Complex contagion : It can be non familiar behavior or risky behavior that are hard to adopt. This is a contagion that will need a social reinforcement, in other word a certain % of individual in a group will have to adopt those elements or behavior to propagate it to others.
In 1978, a sociologist, Mark Granovetter, published a paper where he proposed a new concept to understand group behavior : The Threshold model for those complexe contagion. The threashold effect is the INDIVIDUAL threashold in % that people will have before they start to adopt a behavior or an element adopted by someone with a lower threashold.
For example, Activists or very motivated people (from the right or the left) will have a very low threashold % for certain things, they will directly adopt a belief or a behavior because they are completely convinced. On the other side, people who will be very conservative to adopt new belief systems or behavior will have a very high threashold % (the political side doesn't matter, it's just a question of our ability or refusal to adopt new elements. (said threashold can fluctuate in function of the subject or the behavior)
What we need to understand is that this Threashold effect create chain reaction effects after a certain point that we call "the critical mass".
But first : With our example, we can sort the 100 persons from the lower to the highest threashold.
Here is a screenshot representing the lower part of the graph:
It comes from this video. If you want you can watch it with subtitles I think you can make the translation work:
As you can see, among those 100 persons, there are 4 that have a threashold of 0%, they will adopt the behavior very easily. After that, you have one that has a threashold of acceptation of 4%. This means that to adopt the behavior, said person will need to see 4 people adopt the behavior first.
And by domino effect, the one with a threashold of 5% will adopt the behavior and so on.. until everyone else adopt the behavior. In our example here, it means that 4 people are needed to start the spreading. 4 is therefore the critical mass of the example.
But we also need to understand that critical masses and threashold are different from context to context. For ex, in a period of crisis, people are more sensible and therefore to spread information that could create conflict, the critical mass will be lower.
Another important thing to understand is that the more you have a group that is highly connected, the more the threashold for the members of said group will be lower. For example: You will be more encline to adopte a belief or a behavior if all your friend do it than if a group of stranger does it.
This is why revolution don't start because of influencal people, but because of the streets where people are highly organized and connected on peripheries. Revolutions are a peripherical phenomenon. (The Arab spring is a good ex of that). So it's very unlikely from a big personnality to spread beliefs if the audience doesn't have a very low threashold to adopt said belief in the first place.
Now, lets come back to our example : if, after serving some drnk and let people enjoy their time, you put music in the big speaker of the stadium and you ask to the four people with earpieces to go dance... chances are that you will create a group phenomenon where people will start to dance one after the other. Like this in this example where the critical mass was very low due to the relax context and where the threashold was only 1 guy :
A lot of people here are using what we call in France "confusionnisme", it's a way to blur the limits of the political spectrum and make a far right or rightist idea appear like a progressive one.
My goal is therefore to clarify the field and replace everyone at their proper political place based on political and sociological knowledge and studies.
While I was not able to change people's mind, I consider that I was able to show who really think what by constantly pushing people toward conflictual subject that are determinant to understand their political place.
People don't like that, of course, because they love the idea of being progressist while trashing transgender people (or not acting when they are trashed) or trashing anticapitalist etc, but now, we at least have a good vision of people who like to spread missinformation.
Tbh.....this is just bad xD
You don't need to label someone for them to understand that you're not on the same page, your opinions are just going to be different and it'll be pretty clear, and once you label someone they aren't just going to question themselves if someone calls you a [insert-label] you aren't just going to be like:
" ahh sh** maybe he's right maybe i am indeed a [insert-label] it's time to grow up and change my view of the world, thanks for the notice fellow citizen! "
You just throw a hot potato at them and they're going to go even harder against you.....don't tell me that every time someone labels you something, you're just going on a deep session of self questioning and reasoning about yourself cmon.....
You don't need to label someone for them to understand that you're not on the same page, your opinions are just going to be different and it'll be pretty clear, and once you label someone they aren't just going to question themselves if someone calls you a [insert-label] you aren't just going to be like:
" ahh sh** maybe he's right maybe i am indeed a [insert-label] it's time to grow up and change my view of the world, thanks for the notice fellow citizen! "
You just throw a hot potato at them and they're going to go even harder against you.....don't tell me that every time someone labels you something, you're just going on a deep session of self questioning and reasoning about yourself cmon.....
