Controversial General Political Discussion

[Adeer Ruckus]

people blame all Muslims cause of few rotten eggs

It was ironic, I dont actually support ISIS or Al Qaeda.

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I do unironically support Hamas, the Taliban, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Ahrar Al-Sham, The Islamic Courts Union, the Afghan Mujahideen, The Islamic Army of Iraq and The Chechen Mujahideen however. Obviously all these movement have/had their flaws but they were better than their opponents

 

[Mathias]

It was ironic, I dont actually support ISIS or Al Qaeda.

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I do unironically support Hamas, the Taliban, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Ahrar Al-Sham, The Islamic Courts Union, the Afghan Mujahideen, The Islamic Army of Iraq and The Chechen Mujahideen however. Obviously all these movement have/had their flaws but they were better than their opponents

We don’t need you Logiko. We have something higher now

 

[Logiko]

You don't need to label someone for them to understand that you're not on the same page, your opinions are just going to be different and it'll be pretty clear, and once you label someone they aren't just going to question themselves if someone calls you a [insert-label] you aren't just going to be like:

" ahh sh** maybe he's right maybe i am indeed a [insert-label] it's time to grow up and change my view of the world, thanks for the notice fellow citizen! "

You just throw a hot potato at them and they're going to go even harder against you.....don't tell me that every time someone labels you something, you're just going on a deep session of self questioning and reasoning about yourself cmon.....

In theory yes. In reality no.

In reality when you have a good impression of a person, you will tend to agree a lot more with them in other domain. It's called the halo effect. And the problem is that this forum is not only political but a One Piece one as well. Which can create a form of bias toward some users.

(this work in the opposite way too, for example my behavior influences the way you see my argumentation as I proved here many times)

Even if you don't think it's effective, a reminder meant to replace everyone on their proper political place is necessary. Not only for them but for everyone that could listen to them.

 

[AL sama]

We don’t need you Logiko. We have something higher now

honestly I m speechless

 

[Phoenix D. King]

It was ironic, I dont actually support ISIS or Al Qaeda.

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I do unironically support Hamas, the Taliban, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, Ahrar Al-Sham, The Islamic Courts Union, the Afghan Mujahideen, The Islamic Army of Iraq and The Chechen Mujahideen however. Obviously all these movement have/had their flaws but they were better than their opponents

Taliban?

 

[Uncle Van]

But others don't.

People mostly learn from their experiences

People mostly relate things from their experiences and contexts.


They can't understand from which well you came from nor you can understand from which well they came from.


So, share your experience of the well - and leave it on others to learn if they want rather than imposing on them because by imposing you are simply distancing them away.

Rest is your wish. My serious talk quota is over lol

Sad thing is that Logiko would have way more support if he just change his approach. He doesn't have to change his ideals or opinions, just his methods. He actually speaks a lot of truth(Hell, even I defend some of his points every now and then lol), but his argumentation turns people away.

I told him that I was able to convince right wingers of left wing policy when he couldn't using the same talking points, as a way to show him that his attitude is his roadblock, but he claimed I'm only able to convince because I "must be ideologically closer to them" and that "only liberals and centrists think being rational and respectful can work".

I mean seriously...Blax Blah is very similar to Logiko in ideology, but majority of people including Nameless(who is very anti-communist and left so they should be "Ideological opposites") can have chill talks. Why? Because Blax is unnaturally respectful lol. Alot of us go back n' forth from "fuck you btich!" to "ay man want a massage?" in an instant.

 

[Mathias]

honestly I m speechless

I had to re-think your post for a few minutes before understanding.

I meant "we have someone higher who gets everyone against him even better than you(=Logiko)"

 

[AL sama]

I had to re-think your post for a few minutes before understanding.

I meant "we have someone higher who gets everyone against him even better than you(=Logiko)"

you misunderstood me

I m speechless at his post not yours

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

you misunderstood me

I m speechless at his post not yours

At least the other 2 or 3 don't outright state it like this

 

[Adeer Ruckus]

Taliban?

Yeah, I dont support their rtrdd ban on female education but overall they were better than the US backed government

 

[Mathias]

you misunderstood me

I m speechless at his post not yours

I was overthinking your post then lol.

These groups are all pretty fucking bad even if army generals know that there are differences. I’d still not support these groups. Some export their war to other countries, some don’t. Some are taking roots in the fight for their independence while others don’t have this legitimacy. But at the end of the day, they’re very tyrannical and intolerance is their motto.

 

[Kami Burn]

but overall they were better than the US backed government

Some westerners would probably disagree. But every country must deal with their own affairs.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yeah, I dont support their rtrdd ban on female education but overall they were better than the US backed government

I mean, I DO remember reading articles about American soldiers being told to shut up about the supposedly widespread enslavement / sexual abuse of young boys by certain US allies in Afghanistan. There's always two or more sides to a story.

 

[Mathias]

Some westerners would probably disagree. But every country must deal with their own affairs.

People in Afghanistan didn’t want to fight the Talibans. And this is why the republic collapsed within seconds. I think the war in Afghanistan should have been radically different if not inexistant. But I wouldn’t endorse the Talibans for anything.

« USA and NATO got there to seek Bin Laden even if he was in another country and after killing him they spent 10more years there » « US and NATO just wanted to help the women of Afghanistan by giving them an education and so on »


« The US wanted revenge »

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Some westerners would probably disagree. But every country must deal with their own affairs.

Almost as if imperialism (US, European and otherwise) aren't a thing. No country will every only focus on its own internal affairs. Proxy wars are bound to happen, profit is to be made. Don't tell me you are unfamiliar with the foreign governments German weapons manufacturers make business while the German government comes up with more and more measures restricting the German citizens' ability to defend themselves?
Or the cross national resource deals that the west profits from? If Germany stuck to itself we'd be an agricultural state.

 

[Kami Burn]

People in Afghanistan didn’t want to fight the Talibans.

Obviously. The taliban were speedrunning their conquest of afghanistan. They even beat the recordtime in Blitzkrieg of Adolf Hitler.

I think the war in Afghanistan should have been radically different if not inexistant.

The west should never set a foot in Afghanistan. Let these countrys fight their own battles and grow from the experience, just like the west did. Germany, France, Spain, Italy,all had their struggles toward democraty.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Obviously. The taliban were speedrunning their conquest of afghanistan. They even beat the recordtime in Blitzkrieg of Adolf Hitler.

The west should never set a foot in Afghanistan. Let these countrys fight their own battles and grow from the experience, just like the west did. Germany, France, Spain, Italy,all had their struggles toward democraty.

The west heavily influenced these countries' trajectory, constantly undermines democratic processes and outright assassinates prospective, promising leaders. Do your homework.

 

[Kami Burn]

Do your homework.

STFU moron. Don't ever tell me what to do.

The west heavily influenced these countries' trajectory, constantly undermines democratic processes and outright assassinates prospective, promising leaders.

And I'm saying we (the West) should not interfere in other countrys affairs. Only if they threaten to declare war on us. It's not our problem or responsibility what path to a better system they want to walk.

 

[Natalija]

STFU moron. Don't ever tell me what to do.

And I'm saying we (the West) should not interfere in other countrys affairs. Only if they threaten to declare war on us. It's not our problem or responsibility what path to a better system they want to walk.

In a vacuum, I would agree with this, but as you can see, wars impact all of us.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

In a vacuum, I would agree with this, but as you can see, wars impact all of us.

And the world is not a vacuum. It never will be.