Yes Jyoukaryuu’s weakness is guys who will themselves through mortal injury through sheer rage. So maybe Shin could beat Karyuu by getting his head chopped off and willing Jyoukaryuu into a false sense of security
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Kyoukai: "Ah yes, decapitation. I remember inventing a breathing technique to rectify this back when I was a fetus. "
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Houken was never the strongest, without weight he was weaker than the peak monsters of the verse : Moubu, SBS, Kanmei, Ouki and likely Renpa can fuck him up
But yeah Shin killed Houken farrrrrr to early
Houken would have been Shin fight to ascend to GG or Q6 with Riboku and Zhao fall
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But yeah Shin killed Houken farrrrrr to early
Houken would have been Shin fight to ascend to GG or Q6 with Riboku and Zhao fall
I think you and many others greatly underestimate Hou Ken and what it takes to defeat him. In the end, he only lost because he was primed for defeat psychologically over a significant number of years and battles that broke his faith in his belief system. Shin won because his sheer tenacity and strength (at the cost of his life) won out at the right time, but it'd be a mistake to ignore the fact there was already a crack in the dam.
All the same, Hou Ken remains without equal in terms of feats. He is still, by the design, the pinnacle of martial ability achieved and demonstrated in the series - though not the pinnacle of strength. True strength was beyond Hou Ken's understanding.
It still took Ou Ki all of his martial ability, the totality of his weight, and a rage filled vendetta to overcome Hou Ken - who even still only began to lose at that point because he was psychologically shaken.
I don't think it's a given so many could replicate Ou Ki's success. I'm not confident Mou Bu could beat him, and I'd bet on Hou Ken against Kan Mei 10 times out of 10. Ren Pa and SBS are 50/50s - Ou Ki had crazy motivational factors that can't be assumed to just be there for everyone.
I don't think it was a question of too early so much of where and when.
imo, Hou Ken should have found a way to summon Shin after the Battle of Shukai - if it had to happen around that period at all. In any event, I don't think it was too early. I think it happened at the right enough time, just not the right location or under the right circumstances.
All the same, Hou Ken remains without equal in terms of feats. He is still, by the design, the pinnacle of martial ability achieved and demonstrated in the series - though not the pinnacle of strength. True strength was beyond Hou Ken's understanding.
It still took Ou Ki all of his martial ability, the totality of his weight, and a rage filled vendetta to overcome Hou Ken - who even still only began to lose at that point because he was psychologically shaken.
I don't think it's a given so many could replicate Ou Ki's success. I'm not confident Mou Bu could beat him, and I'd bet on Hou Ken against Kan Mei 10 times out of 10. Ren Pa and SBS are 50/50s - Ou Ki had crazy motivational factors that can't be assumed to just be there for everyone.
I don't think it was a question of too early so much of where and when.
imo, Hou Ken should have found a way to summon Shin after the Battle of Shukai - if it had to happen around that period at all. In any event, I don't think it was too early. I think it happened at the right enough time, just not the right location or under the right circumstances.
Top 1 Martial GOAT
5-shot Houken, who was still as strong as he was in Shukai according to Riboku.
1-shot a dude with 93 stat+ weight +ambition... while also having bigger hype than Rinbukun
Houken's Fighting Record:
- Getting 5-shotted by a pissed off Ouki
- Getting mid-diff'd by a normal Ouki
- 1-shotting a weightless Gekishin rated at 90strength (pretty impressive)
- High-diffing a Duke Hyou with no rest for over 3-4 days
- Whooping on an exhausted barely able to fight Kyoukai
- Losing to Shin who was barely able to keep on fighting and was legit on starvation for days
Yuppp, sounds like a clear top 10 guy to me.
5-shot Houken, who was still as strong as he was in Shukai according to Riboku.
1-shot a dude with 93 stat+ weight +ambition... while also having bigger hype than Rinbukun
Houken's Fighting Record:
- Getting 5-shotted by a pissed off Ouki
- Getting mid-diff'd by a normal Ouki
- 1-shotting a weightless Gekishin rated at 90strength (pretty impressive)
- High-diffing a Duke Hyou with no rest for over 3-4 days
- Whooping on an exhausted barely able to fight Kyoukai
- Losing to Shin who was barely able to keep on fighting and was legit on starvation for days
Yuppp, sounds like a clear top 10 guy to me.
Rereading Bayou, you realize Ouki could've given Riboku an L by abandoning Moubu and Ryuukoku (since Ouki wouldn't have been killed), and simply retreating back into a defensive formation. But pushed forward because he wanted to save Moubu and Ryuukoku:
You realize that Ouki's strategy perfectly countered Riboku's overall plan. And it took Moubu ignoring Ouki's orders, where he didn't want Moubu to step out of that range even if Houken had appeared, for Riboku to actually lead him into that trap. And Moubu ignoring orders was neither predicted or taken into account by Riboku.
This smart guy Moubu not only left the range, but proceeded to fall for an obvious plan, that effectively fucked him up as well + destroyed a 25k army, that Ouki could've strategically used to counter Riboku, to the point only a 1000 man unit that could "barely lift up their weapons". This then forces Ouki to go completely blind on the battlefield since he loses all contact with the HQ, due to needing to save Moubu and Ryuukoku. And then Ryuukoku blatantly notices that Ouki was doing warfare that not like him.
Sad as fuck, we never even saw Ouki being able to utilize his own warfare to it's peak from start to finish. And if you're asking me, long as Moubu doesn't step out of the range and effectively follows Ouki's orders... Qin ain't losing that war.
Which is why nobody reassures Moubu that things would've happened regardless, unlike when Mouten reassures Shin that Riboku would've escaped regardless of whether the HSU got paralyzed or not. Ouki or anyone else later doesn't take the burden of blame off of Moubu. And to Moubu's credit this was the first big moment of growth for him, since he proceeds to admit it was all his fault.
@SakazOuki There you go, more Riboku dehype. Without Moubu's fuck up, Ouki easily could've won, tied it or changed up the entire war scenario by pulling a strategical retreat into a different place or lord knows what. Saying Riboku beat Ouki based on ability is just a disingenuous take.
You realize that Ouki's strategy perfectly countered Riboku's overall plan. And it took Moubu ignoring Ouki's orders, where he didn't want Moubu to step out of that range even if Houken had appeared, for Riboku to actually lead him into that trap. And Moubu ignoring orders was neither predicted or taken into account by Riboku.
This smart guy Moubu not only left the range, but proceeded to fall for an obvious plan, that effectively fucked him up as well + destroyed a 25k army, that Ouki could've strategically used to counter Riboku, to the point only a 1000 man unit that could "barely lift up their weapons". This then forces Ouki to go completely blind on the battlefield since he loses all contact with the HQ, due to needing to save Moubu and Ryuukoku. And then Ryuukoku blatantly notices that Ouki was doing warfare that not like him.
Sad as fuck, we never even saw Ouki being able to utilize his own warfare to it's peak from start to finish. And if you're asking me, long as Moubu doesn't step out of the range and effectively follows Ouki's orders... Qin ain't losing that war.
Which is why nobody reassures Moubu that things would've happened regardless, unlike when Mouten reassures Shin that Riboku would've escaped regardless of whether the HSU got paralyzed or not. Ouki or anyone else later doesn't take the burden of blame off of Moubu. And to Moubu's credit this was the first big moment of growth for him, since he proceeds to admit it was all his fault.
@SakazOuki There you go, more Riboku dehype. Without Moubu's fuck up, Ouki easily could've won, tied it or changed up the entire war scenario by pulling a strategical retreat into a different place or lord knows what. Saying Riboku beat Ouki based on ability is just a disingenuous take.
The reason why this arguement doesn't work is that the entire situation was still the result of Ouki's fuck up.
1. Ouki was well aware of the fact that Moubu is a double-edge sword (something that he said himself before the battle) and yet he made the decision to put Moubu in charge of the entire Qin army on 4th day to make use of his offense and power through Zhao when objectively that was a huge gamble on his part.
2. In the end Ouki lost because he misjudged the timing of enemy's arrival and believed he can finish the first army before the arrival of the second one. That false sense of security was the reason why he got outplayed by Riboku, which he himself admitted.
1. Ouki was well aware of the fact that Moubu is a double-edge sword (something that he said himself before the battle) and yet he made the decision to put Moubu in charge of the entire Qin army on 4th day to make use of his offense and power through Zhao when objectively that was a huge gamble on his part.
2. In the end Ouki lost because he misjudged the timing of enemy's arrival and believed he can finish the first army before the arrival of the second one. That false sense of security was the reason why he got outplayed by Riboku, which he himself admitted.
Rereading Bayou, you realize Ouki could've given Riboku an L by abandoning Moubu and Ryuukoku (since Ouki wouldn't have been killed), and simply retreating back into a defensive formation. But pushed forward because he wanted to save Moubu and Ryuukoku:
You realize that Ouki's strategy perfectly countered Riboku's overall plan. And it took Moubu ignoring Ouki's orders, where he didn't want Moubu to step out of that range even if Houken had appeared, for Riboku to actually lead him into that trap. And Moubu ignoring orders was neither predicted or taken into account by Riboku.
This smart guy Moubu not only left the range, but proceeded to fall for an obvious plan, that effectively fucked him up as well + destroyed a 25k army, that Ouki could've strategically used to counter Riboku, to the point only a 1000 man unit that could "barely lift up their weapons". This then forces Ouki to go completely blind on the battlefield since he loses all contact with the HQ, due to needing to save Moubu and Ryuukoku. And then Ryuukoku blatantly notices that Ouki was doing warfare that not like him.
Sad as fuck, we never even saw Ouki being able to utilize his own warfare to it's peak from start to finish. And if you're asking me, long as Moubu doesn't step out of the range and effectively follows Ouki's orders... Qin ain't losing that war.
Which is why nobody reassures Moubu that things would've happened regardless, unlike when Mouten reassures Shin that Riboku would've escaped regardless of whether the HSU got paralyzed or not. Ouki or anyone else later doesn't take the burden of blame off of Moubu. And to Moubu's credit this was the first big moment of growth for him, since he proceeds to admit it was all his fault.
@SakazOuki There you go, more Riboku dehype. Without Moubu's fuck up, Ouki easily could've won, tied it or changed up the entire war scenario by pulling a strategical retreat into a different place or lord knows what. Saying Riboku beat Ouki based on ability is just a disingenuous take.
You realize that Ouki's strategy perfectly countered Riboku's overall plan. And it took Moubu ignoring Ouki's orders, where he didn't want Moubu to step out of that range even if Houken had appeared, for Riboku to actually lead him into that trap. And Moubu ignoring orders was neither predicted or taken into account by Riboku.
This smart guy Moubu not only left the range, but proceeded to fall for an obvious plan, that effectively fucked him up as well + destroyed a 25k army, that Ouki could've strategically used to counter Riboku, to the point only a 1000 man unit that could "barely lift up their weapons". This then forces Ouki to go completely blind on the battlefield since he loses all contact with the HQ, due to needing to save Moubu and Ryuukoku. And then Ryuukoku blatantly notices that Ouki was doing warfare that not like him.
Sad as fuck, we never even saw Ouki being able to utilize his own warfare to it's peak from start to finish. And if you're asking me, long as Moubu doesn't step out of the range and effectively follows Ouki's orders... Qin ain't losing that war.
Which is why nobody reassures Moubu that things would've happened regardless, unlike when Mouten reassures Shin that Riboku would've escaped regardless of whether the HSU got paralyzed or not. Ouki or anyone else later doesn't take the burden of blame off of Moubu. And to Moubu's credit this was the first big moment of growth for him, since he proceeds to admit it was all his fault.
@SakazOuki There you go, more Riboku dehype. Without Moubu's fuck up, Ouki easily could've won, tied it or changed up the entire war scenario by pulling a strategical retreat into a different place or lord knows what. Saying Riboku beat Ouki based on ability is just a disingenuous take.