Speculations The dragon and the winged creature are the same entity

[Bisoromi Bear]

No that's not how i mean it.
Let me reword for clarity:
The sun GOD defeating the earth GOD is only necessary if the earth GOD enslaves the people and makes their lives unbearable.
Whenever a characters speak of the future events they say the world is going to be destroyed. While THEY might think world refers to the whole planet, we know it's only the CURRENT ORDER of things that is destroyed. Like how it works in real life mythologies.

The way I see it, the sun generally stands for light, fire, human inventions while the earth stands for primordial forces of nature. Each person who ate a god fruit, inheriting the respective powers represents these forces.
Humans need both to live.

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@Fujishiro @Paperchampion23 @Bisoromi Bear I would like to clarify:

I believe from the history described, the Sun God has lost both War 1 and War 2 and the primordial evil was never actually defeated, only suppressed. This is why I believe we have to beat the primordial evil, because it has never been defeated before.

I mean why else do we know there’s going to be a third war unless the cause for the original wars were never resolved lol….the primordial evil of the OP world is likely still alive imo. Just imprisoned beneath the ocean.

Your interpretation makes as much sense as mine, only time (aka Oda) will tell @

 

[Fujishiro]

1. So why is Nika still starting to spark wars if there is no primordial evil alive and the thing was defeated in War 1?

2. Or why is the primordial reincarnating into Imu if it was never defeated? Lol

No matter how you look at it, Imu reincarnation is nonsense.

1- I just told you the primordial evil is incarnated in Imu.

2- This is a good point maybe it was weakened after fighting Nika in the first world.

 

[Reborn]

I don't think first' world is about imu.


We can see imu with a crown and 20 men watching two black figures with fire


And, lore cleary says world was engulfed in darkness..

First world is linked with BB

 

[Fujishiro]

I don't think first' world is about imu.


We can see imu with a crown and 20 men watching two black figures with fire


And, lore cleary says world was engulfed in darkness..

First world is linked with BB

The war between the earth god and Nika cause death and darkness, its clear that the Yami was used by someone and they were a participant in the war so that means BB will too but the main higlighted villain is the earth god.

 

[PeronaNerona]

Just putting it out there:

Same number of fingers.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

1- I just told you the primordial evil is incarnated in Imu.

2- This is a good point maybe it was weakened after fighting Nika in the first world.

I listed both questions to show you that Imu being a reincarnation makes no sense under any circumstance.

If the primordial evil was never defeated, it wouldnt reincarnate.

And if the primordial evil was defeated, there would be no reason for Joy Boy to spark the second war.

 

[Reborn]

The war between the earth god and Nika cause death and darkness, its clear that the Yami was used by someone and they were a participant in the war so that means BB will too but the main higlighted villain is the earth god.

Look at mural again

Imu with 20 men (exact 20) aiding him is just watching two dark figures fighting each other..

Then we move to second part - demons and joy boy is fighting clearly with allies.


Obviously yami was used by someone else but it hints that there was another evil before imu

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

1. So why is Nika still starting to spark wars if there is no primordial evil alive and the thing was defeated in War 1?

The text says the sun spread war in the second world, doesn't sound like the good guy to me. Rayleigh also said the SHs might come to a different conclusion about the events of the void century. There are many hints pointing to a more complex relationship between the two sides than simple good vs evil.
Imo The overbearing side is the one that becomes evil by the sheer fact that it's overbearing and aiming for full control over the world, therefore must be reigned in by the other side.

 

[Fujishiro]

I listed both questions to show you that Imu being a reincarnation makes no sense under any circumstance.

If the primordial evil was never defeated, it wouldnt reincarnate.

And if the primordial evil was defeated, there would be no reason for Joy Boy to spark the second war.

This isnt true Vegapunk himself said that he didnt know who was good or bad and the giants think that Nika was a god of destruction and thats exactly what he did in the second war, I dont think Joyboy was good he was probably morally grey.

And an primordial evil can reincarnate if they are weakened or for some other unknown reason.

Look at mural again

Imu with 20 men (exact 20) aiding him is just watching two dark figures fighting each other..

Then we move to second part - demons and joy boy is fighting clearly with allies.


Obviously yami was used by someone else but it hints that there was another evil before imu

Thats the first world Reborn Imu is likely from the second probably. The 20 kings are from the second world.

 

[garciajulieen]

The third world might be about Blackbeard if he zetsus Imu but the troubled shadow can be either Blackbeard or Imu and the fragmented moon can be Garling Figarland who is literally shaped like a half moon or the random picture of BB crying under a half moon, I think both interpretations are fine for now.

Garling is a crescent moon while the letter D surely looks like a halfmoon.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

The text says the sun spread war in the second world, doesn't sound like the good guy to me. Rayleigh also said the SHs might come to a different conclusion about the events of the void century. There are many hints pointing to a more complex relationship between the two sides than simple good vs evil.
Imo The overbearing side is the one that becomes evil by the sheer fact that it's overbearing and aiming for full control over the world, therefore must be reigned in by the other side.

This isnt true Vegapunk himself said that he didnt know who was good or bad and the giants think that Nika was a god of destruction and thats exactly what he did in the second war, I dont think Joyboy was good he was probably morally grey.

And an primordial evil can reincarnate if they are weakened or for some other unknown reason.

Thats the first world Reborn Imu is likely from the second probably. The 20 kings are from the second world.

Damn so yall really think Joyboy was evil huh? That’s certainly a take when his modern day enemies are actual fucking demons. Lol

 

[Fujishiro]

Damn so yall really think Joyboy was evil huh? That’s certainly a take when his modern day enemies are actual fucking demons. Lol

I didnt say evil I said morally grey.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I’m going to put my money on their not really being much ambiguity on who is good and bad in the void century fight.

Joy boy will be like 90% a great guy whose flaws will be Luffy like flaws (too hot headed, quick to go for a punch, doesn’t think things through) which are pretty forgivable.

Imu will similarly be 90% a piece of shit with like some minor redeeming factors like he cares for two people in the world or something.

But the broader factions might be slightly more mixed- some evil Ds like Blackbeard, some good Twenty Kings like Lili.

 

[Reborn]

This isnt true Vegapunk himself said that he didnt know who was good or bad and the giants think that Nika was a god of destruction and thats exactly what he did in the second war, I dont think Joyboy was good he was probably morally grey.

And an primordial evil can reincarnate if they are weakened or for some other unknown reason.

Thats the first world Reborn Imu is likely from the second probably. The 20 kings are from the second world.

First world has evil before IMU. And, it is this world which got engulfed in darkness.





Second world has IMU and demon

Third world will see rise of Nika again.

But here's the thing.

Mural has two sides - right side (first world) and left side (second world)

And, then you have elbaf in present with SHs seeing it.(3rd and present world)

Imo this situation is representing all 3 worlds.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

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Damn so yall really think Joyboy was evil huh? That’s certainly a take when his modern day enemies are actual fucking demons. Lol

But that's the whole point, isn't it? TODAY Luffy's enemies are literal demons enslaving the world but in the void century it might not have been this way.

And no, I don't believe Joyboy was 'evil' per se. Only that his actions weren't perfect in line with what we'd commonly associate with good.
The ancient kingdom was said to be highly advanced, maybe they stole resources? Maybe they overdid it and the earth God and its allies suffered from it?

 

[Fujishiro]

First world has evil before IMU. And, it is this world which got engulfed in darkness.





Second world has IMU and demon

Third world will see rise of Nika again.

But here's the thing.

Mural has two sides - right side (first world) and left side (second world)

And, then you have elbaf in present with SHs seeing it.(3rd and present world)

Imo this situation is representing all 3 worlds.

The mural doesnt show the third world mate. The second mural literally has Emeth in it.

 

[Roo]

I’m going to put my money on their not really being much ambiguity on who is good and bad in the void century fight.

Joy boy will be like 90% a great guy whose flaws will be Luffy like flaws (too hot headed, quick to go for a punch, doesn’t think things through) which are pretty forgivable.

Imu will similarly be 90% a piece of shit with like some minor redeeming factors like he cares for two people in the world or something.

But the broader factions might be slightly more mixed- some evil Ds like Blackbeard, some good Twenty Kings like Lili.

I think Imu might be protecting the world from the gods/demons

@Paperchampion23 @Fujishiro are we open to the possibility of Imu doing all of this for the “greater good”? What if he’s keeping the actual monsters like the flame serpent at bay, either sealing them inside the redline or deep underwater?

what if that’s what Rayleigh meant by “you might arrive at a different conclusion than us”. It’s not as simple as Imu evil Joyboy good?

 

[Reborn]

The mural doesnt show the third world mate. The second mural literally has Emeth in it.

Read what I said lmao

Third world is represented by Shs who are currently seeing it.

 

[Fujishiro]

Read what I said lmao

Third world is represented by Shs who are currently seeing it.

Yeah and the second world shows Joyboy with Emeth vs Imu. The first world shows the earth god the dragon and the serpent vs the sun (Nika).

I think Imu might be protecting the world from the gods/demons

Doesnt make sense if he defeated Joyboy, Imu is the winged individual facing Joyboy in the second mural.

 

[Roo]

Yeah and the second world shows Joyboy with Emeth vs Imu. The first world shows the earth god the dragon and the serpent vs the sun (Nika).

Doesnt make sense if he defeated Joyboy, Imu is the winged individual facing Joyboy in the second mural.

why wouldn’t it? The sea serpent is gone after the first war. For all we know him and joyboy disagreed on what to do with it. Joyboy valued freedom and Imu saw what he does as a lesser evil for a greater good