Powers & Abilities Shanks Has A Mythical Power In His Sword Too

Cerberus (guardian of the underworld) and Gryphon (guardian of the divine) -- a coincidence?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 31.7%
  • No (obviously)

    Votes: 41 68.3%

  • Total voters
    60

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Literally never varies aesthetically from character to character what is blud waffling about
Haki is standard since its a power available to all and how good you are depends on your skill level with it.

CoC on the other hand, is a 1 in a million ability, given to a handful of blessed individuals.

CoC Is very standard in his applications: 90% of users simply make others faint; the rest 10% basically use CoC as a stronger CoA. And all look them same, only the level change.
Now we have seen the possibility to "undo" (?) powers, but again It's not something that just one character can do: It's only a matter of level.

That's why I think Oda should have tried a little harder. I undestand that there are DF's powers and those are unique to the character, but still.
Oh aight. Standard in its applications, yeah.
The power is unique but the skill curve to master is pretty much the same.

In the end, Haki is not a fighting style of its own. DF users, martial artists, brawlers and weapon users all use Haki to enhance their existing fighting styles. So the outcome that they bring about... is still non-standard.

Think Galaxy Impact v. Divine Departure v. Thunder Bagua v. Paradise Totsuka.
 
Yeah that's what I think aswell.
It would finally explain his superb mobility. I was never convinced that Shanks could just speedblitz jump a mile, when no one in this manga can, especially not humans.
Would further strengthen the notion though, that he's meant to be the strongest besides EoS Luffy and Imu, as it would additionally give him flight, great movement speed and mobility, when he's already Roger 2.0.
 
We don't discusss headcanons and lies.
- Deskainu :
1/ He couldn't get past an already weakened Marco while being blood lusted :

2/ He used his signature attack, "Meigo," but failed to stop a 1HP severely injured, brain-dead, and tortured Kuma.

Afterward, 1 HP Kuma still had the strength to defeat New Pacifistas and Vice Admirals, land a punch on Saturn, and save Bonney from an attack using his back, this is how much Meigo affected him with literally nothing lmao :

3/ Sabo speed blitzed him and saved both Luffy and Ace while he was attacking Luffy :
https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1721405846825886027

4/ He couldn't hit Buggy who was overweight :

5/ He got sonned when Shanks came to Marine Ford :
Dude literally went from this


To this


When Shanks came, so NO lol

No wonder dude had to use Squardo to hope for internal betrayal before attempting any confrontation with Whitebeard


No wonder he had an equal 10 days fight with Kuzan later on, ending up scarred all over the body and barely winning despite magma devil fruit when regular fire can cancel out Kuzan's fruit:josad:

6/ Deskainu was treated as nonexistent and his presence was completely disregarded when Shanks was near him casually picking up the Straw Hat while leaving himself open and exuding confidence.

- Pizzalu :

1/ He got humiliated in a clash against Marco :

2/ He needed Marco to be distracted and in 2 v 1 with the help of a Vice Admiral to weaken him so he could affect his HP after the 1st humiliation :

3/ He couldn't get past an old man who was rusty and hadn't wielded a sword for decades and what's funny is Pizzalu started panting mid-clash:

4/ Pizzalu couldn't get past Gear 5th nor speed blitzing it and neither giving moderate damage which Kaido did for fun :

5/ His only damage against Gear 5th was giving a paper cut damage while using an army of clowns that got negdiffed:

6/ Franky, Sanji, Bonney, and Sentomaru suffered nothing from his attacks :
- Midkiji :

1/ He couldn't handle a human form Jozu without a distraction :

2/ He disappeared after a single open-handed attack from old Garp, who had been fighting hundreds of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers. He only reappeared when Garp decided to leave.


3/ He couldn’t handle an old Garp who had significantly lost his strength due to age, even with thousands of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers helping him. This only conveyed a sense of desperation on Blackbeard’s side.
No one believed in his strength lmao.

4/ He was speed-blitzed by an already weakened old Garp, who, with a hakiless and nameless throw, treated him as an afterthought to save Coby—and succeeded :

5/ He acknowledged being a weak ass without the help he received in Hachinosu against Garp by stating that they barely won with a team effort :


6/ He got stopped by Ace's flame attack easily :

- Fraudtora :

1/ A YC-level Zoro managed to send a slash from his weakest sword, even under his own gravity, to overpower Fraudtora's Devil Fruit power. Fraudtora was left shivering, pushed back, and kneeling, with his soldiers screaming his name :

2/ He failed to beat a Dressrosa Gear 2sd,3rd Luffy while stating that he was using his utmost :

3/ He couldn't do shit to 2 swords Zoro :

- Fraud Bull :

1/ He got sonned from miles away by Shanks's CoC and chose to retreat while he was shivering and crying :
モモの助や侍達を追い詰めるもシャンクスの覇気により退散

"Although he cornered Momonosuke and his comrades, he retreated due to Shanks's Haki."

2/ He didn't want Kaido's smoke and only came after he got beaten :

3/ He struggled against a YC 7 Morley :
:risiup::risiup:

Yo chill tf out
 
I suppose it is possible. But I don’t know to what degree it is actually valuable.

If Shanks can one shot Kid and scare away GB with his haki alone, then even if he had a DF sword, wouldn’t it just be a glorified pet?

I could see that being the case. Shanks having a DF sword given to him by Garling, but just refusing to rely on DF powers because he idolizes Roger instead.
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Let's talk about Eustass Captain Mid :kidsmile:


As we all know, Shanks brutally neg diffed and oneshot Kid. A glimpse of his strength was enough for that.

If Shanks' blade indeed turns out a DF sword, this means he didn't even remotely show that 'glimpse'. If Shanks has a DF sword, he literally 0.00000000000000000000001 diffed Mid.

It's basically Mihawk using his dagger against East Blue Zoro.

Kid fans must be shivering :shame:
DF or not, Shanks used Roger’s move

A move Oda confirmed that none of the other Roger pirates, including Oden and Rayleigh, could learn.

Honestly that has far more hype than a shitty gimmick power that even jobbers like Saturn can use.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
King is a swordsman
He's a swordsman to us, not in the same sense as Zoro is, Zoro made this clear when he said he never called himself a swordsman when King essentially said he has many tools/styles at his disposal.

Same applies to someone like Big Mom, being a stronger swordsman than her does not automatically place you above BM because she has other tools at her disposal. She is not defined by swordsmanship.

It is a lot harder for Shanks to make this argument because haki is at the core of swordsmanship so that's not a great argument, ontop of Shanks being used as a reference for swordsmanship. If Mihawk has better mastery of swordsmanship chances are he's stronger than Shanks because that's all Shanks seems to have as his fighting style.

The only issue is Shanks is all but guaranteed to have the best CoC feats from this generation, and majority of people see this as the dealbreaker, so ACoC fanatics would be contradicting themselves if they don't admit there is more to a fight than ACoC.
 
Cerberus guards the underworld.


Gryphons guard the divine.



The name isn't just a reverse parallel: it's literal. Shanks also has a divine power embedded in his sword.


Shanks most likely got the power when he visited Mariejois. This is also probably the reason Mihawk doesn't want to fight him anymore and is depressed. Because Shanks cheated.


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Time to swallow Gryphon. :DeepThink:
 
Same applies to someone like Big Mom, being a stronger swordsman than her does not automatically place you above BM because she has other tools at her disposal. She is not defined by swordsmanship.
ehhh, I mean Zoro surpassed the likes of Mr1 and King (non-swordsmen) by simply elevating his swordsmanship, seems to me like Oda's message all along was that the strongest swordsman is simply meant to be stronger than anyone who fights with a sword.

I'd understand if someone was an ever so slightly better swordsman than BM but still a bit weaker, but the likes of WSS is outright superior portrayal.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
ehhh, I mean Zoro surpassed the likes of Mr1 and King (non-swordsmen) by simply elevating his swordsmanship, seems to me like Oda's message all along was that the strongest swordsman is simply meant to be stronger than anyone who fights with a sword.

I'd understand if someone was an ever so slightly better swordsman than BM but still a bit weaker, but the likes of WSS is outright superior portrayal.
This is a matter of looking at what Big Mom offers vs what Mihawk offers. She is not a default shoe in loss due to his title, she doesn't fall under that umbrella is where I was getting at.

I would obviously bet on Mihawk, given that Oden was giving Kaidou nightmares I have no doubt in my mind Mihawk is stronger than Oden.
 
All Mohawk had to do was feed both of his arms to the lord of the coast, feed his sword a mythical zoan, and improve his haki.

Instead, what did the retard do? He decided to paint his sword black and practice basic fencing techniques over and over again.

Fuck you Oda for making my favorite character a fraud:sanjino:
 
This is a matter of looking at what Big Mom offers vs what Mihawk offers. She is not a default shoe in loss due to his title, she doesn't fall under that umbrella is where I was getting at.

I would obviously bet on Mihawk, given that Oden was giving Kaidou nightmares I have no doubt in my mind Mihawk is stronger than Oden.
So where do you draw the line in terms of who falls under that title, taking into account all these non-swordsmen sword users that fell victim to Zoro, clearly intentionally.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
So where do you draw the line in terms of who falls under that title, taking into account all these non-swordsmen sword users that fell victim to Zoro, clearly intentionally.
Technically every single character falls under that title (including non swordsman), atleast those who exist in the public eye. The title to me just represents mastery of swordsmanship. It's not a 1v1 jail free pass against anyone who ever held a blade. Oda doesn't even write like that.

It just so happens mastering swordsmanship takes you to the apex of the verse because it goes hand in hand with haki mastery. It is one of the, if not the ultimate combat style in this verse due to haki and lethality. So naturally being the strongest with a sword is already a solid argument he sits at the top. But that does not mean others can't sit beside him in their own way, not as swordsman but as overall combatants.

BM, Fujitora, Ghandi, Law, Greenbull, Kizaru etc. all have swordsmanship incorporated into their fighting style, some at a higher lvl than others, you can even call them all swordsman, but Mihawk has mastered swordsmanship to a degree nobody has.

What is the pinnacle of swordsmanship?
That is Mihawk, he stands alone in this field. Black blade may be another indicator of cream of the crop swordsmanship.

That doesn't automatically mean without debate Mihawk is beating all of them because they hold swords, they all have a diverse set of abilities despite clearly being weaker swordsman (heck Ghandi is immortal far as we're concerned). Big Mom couldn't even cut Kidd, and the most Fuji ever cut were crows. Mihawk runs laps around atleast Big Mom as a swordsman, but she still has things Mihawk doesn't which gave her the ability to be in a deadlock with Kaidou, WB, and Shanks.

The only thing that matters in this verse is the sum of all your parts. If you want to argue being at the pinnacle of swordsmanship > whatever ability set Big Mom (or Fuji or whoever has), that's different than saying "look they're holding swords they are weaker combatants."

Even if Mihawk were to eat a df, it wouldn't change the fact that he is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship and those others aren't. So the title isn't necessarily excluding people who have other abilities as much as it simply means they are not as strong in swordsmanship.

That is what it means to be the Worlds Strongest Swordsman. I can guarantee there is probably close to nothing in this verse that Mihawk can't cut, and if there is, then no one else can either. And like I said, this alone earns him a seat at the apex of the verse because that is how effective swordsmanship is as a fighting style.

Tldr; Ghandi beating Mihawk in a 1v1 thanks to an immortal body does not mean Mihawk is not the WSS.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Technically every single character falls under that title (including non swordsman), atleast those who exist in the public eye. The title to me just represents mastery of swordsmanship. It's not a 1v1 jail free pass against anyone who ever held a blade. Oda doesn't even write like that.

It just so happens mastering swordsmanship takes you to the apex of the verse because it goes hand in hand with haki mastery. It is one of the, if not the ultimate combat style in this verse due to haki and lethality. So naturally being the strongest with a sword is already a solid argument he sits at the top. But that does not mean others can't sit beside him in their own way, not as swordsman but as overall combatants.

BM, Fujitora, Ghandi, Law, Greenbull, Kizaru etc. all have swordsmanship incorporated into their fighting style, some at a higher lvl than others, you can even call them all swordsman, but Mihawk has mastered swordsmanship to a degree nobody has.

What is the pinnacle of swordsmanship?
That is Mihawk, he stands alone in this field. Black blade may be another indicator of cream of the crop swordsmanship.

That doesn't automatically mean without debate Mihawk is beating all of them because they hold swords, they all have a diverse set of abilities despite clearly being weaker swordsman (heck Ghandi is immortal far as we're concerned). Big Mom couldn't even cut Kidd, and the most Fuji ever cut were crows. Mihawk runs laps around atleast Big Mom as a swordsman, but she still has things Mihawk doesn't which gave her the ability to be in a deadlock with Kaidou, WB, and Shanks.

The only thing that matters in this verse is the sum of all your parts. If you want to argue being at the pinnacle of swordsmanship > whatever ability set Big Mom (or Fuji or whoever has), that's different than saying "look they're holding swords they are weaker combatants."

Even if Mihawk were to eat a df, it wouldn't change the fact that he is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship and those others aren't. So the title isn't necessarily excluding people who have other abilities as much as it simply means they are not as strong in swordsmanship.

That is what it means to be the Worlds Strongest Swordsman. I can guarantee there is probably close to nothing in this verse that Mihawk can't cut, and if there is, then no one else can either. And like I said, this alone earns him a seat at the apex of the verse because that is how effective swordsmanship is as a fighting style.

Tldr; Ghandi beating Mihawk in a 1v1 thanks to an immortal body does not mean Mihawk is not the WSS.
That's completely wrong

Wss is the swordsman who regardless of side abilities like kaku cabaji king shiryu etc
Wins in a fight
 
Technically every single character falls under that title (including non swordsman), atleast those who exist in the public eye. The title to me just represents mastery of swordsmanship. It's not a 1v1 jail free pass against anyone who ever held a blade. Oda doesn't even write like that.

It just so happens mastering swordsmanship takes you to the apex of the verse because it goes hand in hand with haki mastery. It is one of the, if not the ultimate combat style in this verse due to haki and lethality. So naturally being the strongest with a sword is already a solid argument he sits at the top. But that does not mean others can't sit beside him in their own way, not as swordsman but as overall combatants.

BM, Fujitora, Ghandi, Law, Greenbull, Kizaru etc. all have swordsmanship incorporated into their fighting style, some at a higher lvl than others, you can even call them all swordsman, but Mihawk has mastered swordsmanship to a degree nobody has.

What is the pinnacle of swordsmanship?
That is Mihawk, he stands alone in this field. Black blade may be another indicator of cream of the crop swordsmanship.

That doesn't automatically mean without debate Mihawk is beating all of them because they hold swords, they all have a diverse set of abilities despite clearly being weaker swordsman (heck Ghandi is immortal far as we're concerned). Big Mom couldn't even cut Kidd, and the most Fuji ever cut were crows. Mihawk runs laps around atleast Big Mom as a swordsman, but she still has things Mihawk doesn't which gave her the ability to be in a deadlock with Kaidou, WB, and Shanks.

The only thing that matters in this verse is the sum of all your parts. If you want to argue being at the pinnacle of swordsmanship > whatever ability set Big Mom (or Fuji or whoever has), that's different than saying "look they're holding swords they are weaker combatants."

Even if Mihawk were to eat a df, it wouldn't change the fact that he is at the pinnacle of swordsmanship and those others aren't. So the title isn't necessarily excluding people who have other abilities as much as it simply means they are not as strong in swordsmanship.

That is what it means to be the Worlds Strongest Swordsman. I can guarantee there is probably close to nothing in this verse that Mihawk can't cut, and if there is, then no one else can either. And like I said, this alone earns him a seat at the apex of the verse because that is how effective swordsmanship is as a fighting style.

Tldr; Ghandi beating Mihawk in a 1v1 thanks to an immortal body does not mean Mihawk is not the WSS.
That is a fair take, but those characters you mentioned

BM, Fujitora, Ghandi, Law, Greenbull, Kizaru
They literally fall in the same category as King, no? And if Zoro were to fight any of these characters, just like against King, he would surpass them via elevating his swordsmanship and nothing else. Anyone who says Zoro would be fine with being weaker than someone who fights with a sword is not being honest (same goes for Mihawk), that's why if Mihawk is Zoro's final fight, it is because there is no sword user left that is stronger than Zoro, except for Mihawk.
 
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