Powers & Abilities Shanks Has A Mythical Power In His Sword Too
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Yes if they crossed paths with Zoro he would overcome them with swordsmanship. His combat style and stats would have to overcome theirs.
The thing with Mihawk being Zoro's final fight is that when Zoro surpasses his opponents he surpasses them in a clear cut fashion. He doesn't fake surpass them like Luffy, he surpasses them in such dominant fashion that if the fight were to be repeated he wins that much easier and without discussion 10/10 times.
The top tiers in this verse are closely knit enough that creating a significant gap between any single one of them all but guarantees you that top spot. The top tiers in One Piece are in a deadlock essentially.
Basically let's say Zoro can mid-high diff Aokiji, he doesn't have to prove shit against Akainu who went extreme diff with the same opponent, even if Akainu is stronger than Aokiji, it's just a redundant debate or discussion barring any significant matchup issues, especially since both are similar types of fighters (Akainu and Aokiji).
Zoro just wants to be the WSS and Mihawk represents that. Beating Mihawk with Zoro's toolset would mean Zoro has actually beaten him out via swordsmanship. Gandhi coming in and defeating Mihawk with immortality wouldn't mean the same thing. Zoro losing to Gandhi or struggling with him because of some hax ability after Mihawk wouldn't disqualify him or Mihawk either despite Gandhi being a swordsman.
The thing with Mihawk being Zoro's final fight is that when Zoro surpasses his opponents he surpasses them in a clear cut fashion. He doesn't fake surpass them like Luffy, he surpasses them in such dominant fashion that if the fight were to be repeated he wins that much easier and without discussion 10/10 times.
The top tiers in this verse are closely knit enough that creating a significant gap between any single one of them all but guarantees you that top spot. The top tiers in One Piece are in a deadlock essentially.
Basically let's say Zoro can mid-high diff Aokiji, he doesn't have to prove shit against Akainu who went extreme diff with the same opponent, even if Akainu is stronger than Aokiji, it's just a redundant debate or discussion barring any significant matchup issues, especially since both are similar types of fighters (Akainu and Aokiji).
Zoro just wants to be the WSS and Mihawk represents that. Beating Mihawk with Zoro's toolset would mean Zoro has actually beaten him out via swordsmanship. Gandhi coming in and defeating Mihawk with immortality wouldn't mean the same thing. Zoro losing to Gandhi or struggling with him because of some hax ability after Mihawk wouldn't disqualify him or Mihawk either despite Gandhi being a swordsman.
Mihawk’s sword still the best since ryuma finally making him strong enough to compete with the likes of warlords, emperor commanders, and pre 1 billion berry shanks
That’s because he is
It just so happens it’s a title the emperors and admirals couldn’t care less about
He vista and zoro can have fun deciding on the next holder
That’s because he is
It just so happens it’s a title the emperors and admirals couldn’t care less about
He vista and zoro can have fun deciding on the next holder
Yes it does since we are discussing a style of combat.
Let's say Mihawk absolutely mogs Gandhi in their clashes, overpowers him, outskills him in CQC, beats the fuck out of him for 12 straight hours without Gandhi being able to scratch him. But then Mihawk gasses out at the last hour because Gabdhi keeps coming back, and Gandhi kills an exhausted Mihawk, yea that wouldn't make Gandhi the stronger swordsman. That just makes Gandhi a hax unkillable monster, only dying once specific conditions are met, conditions Mihawk may not have access to.
Zoro's goal is not to be an immortal unkillable monster, he wants to be the strongest swordsman. He didn't sign up to enchant voodoo spells if that's the requirement to undo Gandhi's immortality.
Let's say Mihawk absolutely mogs Gandhi in their clashes, overpowers him, outskills him in CQC, beats the fuck out of him for 12 straight hours without Gandhi being able to scratch him. But then Mihawk gasses out at the last hour because Gabdhi keeps coming back, and Gandhi kills an exhausted Mihawk, yea that wouldn't make Gandhi the stronger swordsman. That just makes Gandhi a hax unkillable monster, only dying once specific conditions are met, conditions Mihawk may not have access to.
Zoro's goal is not to be an immortal unkillable monster, he wants to be the strongest swordsman. He didn't sign up to enchant voodoo spells if that's the requirement to undo Gandhi's immortality.
This is just not true at all. Chances are if this fight does happen, Imu goes down to Luffy and Zoro either just holds Gandhi off in that time until that happens, or he strikes him down right when it happens.
Which will tell the audience Zoro is the superior swordsman either way. You think Zoro will be mopping for the rest of his life that Luffy took his title from him lol?
Which will tell the audience Zoro is the superior swordsman either way. You think Zoro will be mopping for the rest of his life that Luffy took his title from him lol?
If Mihawk and Gandhi engage in a dual and Mihawk doesn't come out as a victor of that duel, he is not the WSS.
It is that simple. Everything else is an excuse. Stop trying to justify a loss, that's all you need to do.
Zoro started his journey with near-supreme combat style buffed up by Physical strength alone.
Then he powered it up by haki and kept doing that through haki nearly through the whole show.
What else did Zoro do to his swordsmanship? He powered it up by willing into existence the supreme evolution of body - Asura.
Some others who arent talented in haki or arent working out physically, chose to power themselves up by eating Devil Fruits.
Some are powered up since birth due to racial benefits. Some power up through scientific enhancements.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what your source of power is, if you lose - you are not the strongest.
Zoro will beat Gandhi on his way towards Mihawk so imagine how silly Mihawk losing to Gandhi is...
It is that simple. Everything else is an excuse. Stop trying to justify a loss, that's all you need to do.
Zoro started his journey with near-supreme combat style buffed up by Physical strength alone.
Then he powered it up by haki and kept doing that through haki nearly through the whole show.
What else did Zoro do to his swordsmanship? He powered it up by willing into existence the supreme evolution of body - Asura.
Some others who arent talented in haki or arent working out physically, chose to power themselves up by eating Devil Fruits.
Some are powered up since birth due to racial benefits. Some power up through scientific enhancements.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what your source of power is, if you lose - you are not the strongest.
Zoro will beat Gandhi on his way towards Mihawk so imagine how silly Mihawk losing to Gandhi is...
If zoro beats someone definitely stronger than mihawk like whitebeard do y’all think that makes him wss by default
Or does he actually have to prove his sword skill is better than mihawk directly to get the title
Or does he actually have to prove his sword skill is better than mihawk directly to get the title
It doesn’t matter whether it’s swordplay using gravity, swordplay using fire (Kinemon), swordplay using ice, or even a dog club—ultimately, it would be like a passive ability. Enma has a passive: increased cutting power, whether through excessive Haki drainage to unleash stronger slashes. Yoru is the number one sword, and with that comes a "passive" as well.
I think people are focusing too much on the idea that being the best means juggling a sword better than others. You need to be strong—physically strong, for example—to withstand a clash with a giraffe using a Devil Fruit that considers itself a swordsman and not lose or be overwhelmed. So, is being physically strong directly related to maneuvering a damn sword? No, it’s not. But you need to be strong because being the strongest isn’t just about swinging a sword better.
I think people are focusing too much on the idea that being the best means juggling a sword better than others. You need to be strong—physically strong, for example—to withstand a clash with a giraffe using a Devil Fruit that considers itself a swordsman and not lose or be overwhelmed. So, is being physically strong directly related to maneuvering a damn sword? No, it’s not. But you need to be strong because being the strongest isn’t just about swinging a sword better.
Rather than asking, where do we as the readers draw the line, it would be more appropriate to ask where Zoro draws the line. Would Zoro be comfortable calling himself the world's greatest and strongest swordsman if he beat Mihawk but lost to Nusjuro or Fujitora? Zoro literally considered a circus artist a peer due to him labelling himself as a swordsman. Meanwhile, the likes of Fujitora resemble the Samurai theme, wield a supreme grade blade and incorporate their DF into their fighting style similar to Haki (e.g. calling it gravity blade).
That's your interpretation. And i disagree with it.
To me, Oda created a character at the pinnacle of swordsmanship and gave him the WSS title because it fits the bill.
Mihawk has no confirmed wins over anyone, heck he hardly has any confirmed fights just like anyone else. The one guy who he used to fight asked him to settle the score which implies even that was undecided.
The title is just a descriptor for being at the pinnacle of swordsmanship. Which naturally makes him a top dog. If he is fighting other swordsman then naturally he will have the edge if they are relying on their swordsmanship to do the heavy lifting. So yea in that sense he should be given the benefit of the doubt over these types. But characters like Big Mom do not rely on swordsmanship to do the heavy lifting for them, she uses that thing like its a bat, it may as well be.
Thus without assessing her feats and comparing it with Mihawk's when it's all said and done (or scaling through other similar combatants) you cannot say for certain that Mihawk is > Big Mom just because she is technically a swordsman. That is a gross oversimplification of BM as a fighter.
To me, Oda created a character at the pinnacle of swordsmanship and gave him the WSS title because it fits the bill.
Mihawk has no confirmed wins over anyone, heck he hardly has any confirmed fights just like anyone else. The one guy who he used to fight asked him to settle the score which implies even that was undecided.
The title is just a descriptor for being at the pinnacle of swordsmanship. Which naturally makes him a top dog. If he is fighting other swordsman then naturally he will have the edge if they are relying on their swordsmanship to do the heavy lifting. So yea in that sense he should be given the benefit of the doubt over these types. But characters like Big Mom do not rely on swordsmanship to do the heavy lifting for them, she uses that thing like its a bat, it may as well be.
Thus without assessing her feats and comparing it with Mihawk's when it's all said and done (or scaling through other similar combatants) you cannot say for certain that Mihawk is > Big Mom just because she is technically a swordsman. That is a gross oversimplification of BM as a fighter.
